What's happening to all the guilds on HT?

Blakkmantis - Heavens Tear

I've been playing these MMORPG's now since they first came about. Never in all the games I've played have I seen so many guilds come and go as I have here on PW, and on this server. Not really knowing whats going on, on the other servers here, why do we on HT seem to have such turn over on the power guilds here? Seems people just keep guild hopping over and over. Any ideas on why the guilds are so unstable here? Seems if a guild can get a month or two run here as a power, they are doing good.

Also what would need to take place for some of these guilds to actually be able to stay together, once they reach the top?

RoC fell apart. Rad had its troubles, and hanging on. Enrage has lost a bunch of it's members supposedly. Roadkill, who used to have a bunch of higher levels, and could field a decent TW force, is now pretty much out of the picture. I could go on, but I think you got the point. ROME died, and then rebuilt under a new name (Although they were never a power in TW, the point remains they disbanded none-the-less) I could add to the list other guilds who have suffered a similar fate, but why bother?

What say you?

Defected - Heavens Tear

When guilds become powerful, other guilds become afraid of them. Such power becomes very bored very fast with no one to fight.

Astoru - Heavens Tear

I blame the guild hopping tools that only want to be in the strongest factions.

Blakkmantis - Heavens Tear

I seen in an old thread a while back someone suggest the balence of power here would shift. And people were pointing out it would not happen here, and the same guilds would continue to hold land, because on the asian servers they said had the same guilds holding all the land, for long periods of time.

I found it interesting if this is true on the other versions of PW, but not here. And also what this says about us in the western part of the world vs the east. Less commitment maybe in this part of the world? Less loyalty maybe? Or is it we are just more easily bored?

Too bad they couldn't come up with something to help guilds keep together somehow, like a reward or something for players who stick with a guild, rather than jumping back and forth every month or so.
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Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I blame the guild hopping tools that only want to be in the strongest factions.

Although at first you would think this is the case maybe, then why do you see so many people who are in the top guilds already, jump to another? Take Caesar for example, many of Rad's players went there. And Enrage saying they lost a portion of it's players this week to another guild.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

Ignore what I said

Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ignore what I said

huh? what? lol

And BTW how is your guild doing Flex? You must be getting some people up there in level now eh?

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

We closed that guild and now Ave is a level 3 faction and growing, shame you couldn't stick it out.

How did it die when it was never alive? everyone that joined weren't active and the active ones left.

And FYI, the reason I wasn't in it was because Kaimeras only ran it while her brother was in college, we never planned to keep the 2 guilds seperate.

Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear

Was just wondering when we might be seeing MysticAve in a TW anytime soon?

Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

We closed that guild and now Ave is a level 3 faction and growing, shame you couldn't stick it out.

How did it die when it was never alive? everyone that joined weren't active and the active ones left.

And FYI, the reason I wasn't in it was because Kaimeras only ran it while her brother was in college, we never planned to keep the 2 guilds seperate.

Aw ok, yeah that was way back when I first started playing. Kaim actually had recruited me off the gamerdna forums, and got me playing this game tbh.

Ah memories, lol.

Allerick - Heavens Tear

What I find is funny is how the high levels on our server all want to be on the guild deemed "the next powerhouse" but yet they leave guilds who are already that. Which kinda sux if you ask me. You just start to hate a guild and then they all scatter in different directions, lol.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

Nope, guilds that rush into TW die.

Kaim gets alot of people from GamerDNA lol

Nakroz - Dreamweaver

Blakkmantis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I seen in an old thread a while back someone suggest the balence of power here would shift. And people were pointing out it would not happen here, and the same guilds would continue to hold land, because on the asian servers they said had the same guilds holding all the land, for long periods of time.

I found it interesting if this is true on the other versions of PW, but not here. And also what this says about us in the western part of the world vs the east. Less commitment maybe in this part of the world? Less loyalty maybe? Or is it we are just more easily bored?

Too bad they couldn't come up with something to help guilds keep together somehow, like a reward or something for players who stick with a guild, rather than jumping back and forth every month or so.
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Although at first you would think this is the case maybe, then why do you see so many people who are in the top guilds already, jump to another? Take Caesar for example, many of Rad's players went there. And Enrage saying they lost a portion of it's players this week to another guild.

"Less commitment maybe in this part of the world? Less loyalty maybe? Or is it we are just more easily bored?"

Sorry before you make that stereotype of less loyalty in the western part of the world, have you checked the guilds in Lost City? The top guild is more stable over there. The excuse that some ppl in HT gave was "want more colors on map"

Keyne - Heavens Tear

Honestly, the big guilds growing and dieing give more chances for other guilds to experience TW, which is hella fun btw. More colors on the map means more TW fights. The map was very orange for a long time. I cant wait to see what happens this weekend.

Inias - Heavens Tear

heavens tear has too many players willing fight , willing to be in the strong guild that's winning and getting money .

there is almost NO teamspirit , only to win

in "big" guilds ppl come and go u never get to keep your "friends"

that's in short what i think
it's all about power

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

that's not completely true rad had and still has many loyal members but there is slot of people who aren't loyal

Rocky - Heavens Tear

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

that's not completely true rad had and still has many loyal members but there is slot of people who aren't loyal

so true

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Inias - Heavens Tear

wel yeah but admit alot of high lvl players are hopping guilds

Torm - Heavens Tear

ohh wonderful OP, nice to see a break from the flame fest. So in response to a honest question.

So yes the balance has shifted hand a few times, and yes some of the mundane things people have said already are true. Some people jump to whoever is strong, some times it is drama, etc. But that is a small part of it.

This game was orginally designed as a pk game. All servers everyone goes white at lvl 30 besides HT, and DW. Well the game has very little end game content, mostly because alot of things are not implemented or buggy. This cause people to get bored. TW is a major factor in thie game so if you are the strongest guild and you can defest everyone easlily you grow bored.

Rad fell apart because their guild leader wouldnt attack anyone besides a dead RoC, yeah they probably could have smashed Evo or Legion at the time, BUT THEY NEVER TRIED, so people left due to being bored.

Enrage became so strong that the guild actuall discussed splitting into 2 guilds, Well it happened not the way that was planned, but still based on the factor that people wanted more competition cause they were bored.

Now on the other severs ( PK ENABLED) strong guild stay together more cause they have more to offer. Here if a low lvl guild wants a WB they go kill it, there they get pk'd by strong faction and cant. You want to zhen go to the strong faction or you get pk'd want more cometition on a pvp server and leave to go to a new guild LOL GL you will be KOS for the strong guild.

But on a PvE server you dont have those consequences and the many others that I didnt list. So I wouldnt stereotype people disloyal or anything like that, although there are a few. Most of the changes of strong guild is a much more friendly thing COMPETITION and CHALLENGE.

Hope this helps Im am not a great writer by any means.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear

Because the initial cost of creating a guild is insanely cheap compared to other games.

Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear

Torm - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Rad fell apart because their guild leader wouldnt attack anyone besides a dead RoC, yeah they probably could have smashed Evo or Legion at the time, BUT THEY NEVER TRIED, so people left due to being bored.

I've heard this before, which begs me to ask since it was brought up here now again. Why was it Rad's old leader only wanted to attack RoC and nobody else?

Hisui - Heavens Tear

Good question. Nobody will know.

Gorgonia - Heavens Tear

I do know b:shutupb:shutup

Clunker - Heavens Tear

This from my POV:

RoC was their biggest threat in the server at the time. RoC was the only guild that could give them a decent TW. What we don't understand is that why Charity chose to attack dead RoC land.

maybe the interstellar dinosaurs told her to do so.

Akaiakai - Heavens Tear

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

that's not completely true rad had and still has many loyal members but there is slot of people who aren't loyal

Did you mean loyal to the fat tw pay? Truely loyal members? How do you define that? You can only be loyal to someone , not to the guild. Leadership has changed and following the new leadership isn't loyal imo. I'll say maybe 10% of the remaining rad member are staying because they are attached to guild. About 50% of the current rad are new members anyway so I'm not sure about the loyalty.

Rawthorne - Heavens Tear

Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've heard this before, which begs me to ask since it was brought up here now again. Why was it Rad's old leader only wanted to attack RoC and nobody else?

Well time for history lesson then. I believe 2? weeks in a row Rad went after a dead RoC (along w/ the rest of the server). The lands we chose were more for strategic reasons (swamp of the wraiths/fb69 port spot for ex. which Evo bid on after we did then we trumped w/ a 50kk bid *sigh*). Finnally it came to where we were left w/ a choice. 1. Head towards DWP and take on Triad. 2. Attack Evo at Etherblade. 3. Or cut Legion off from attacking Triad by once again attacking a dead RoC land. The last option was what Charity went with. This was after she made a poll that she "claimed" was what the future tw direction should be and over 75% chose to be agressive or war mongers basically (the last 2 choices). Why did she do this then? Well at the time we were "preliminary" allies with Triad (we neevr became full allies with them according to her posts on our forums and convos I had with her) and supposedly they "asked" us for their assistance to protect them from Legion (Triad was no where near as strong as Legion at the time). She also "claimed" she had numerous pms asking her to take I believe Hidden Orchid rather then Etherblade or head towards DWP. She was WARNED that doing so would result in many of the active/strong etc. members would bail if as they saw it; she "ignored" the poll she placed. She also always "preferred" to isolate every guild as much as possible so that if they wanted to grow they'd have to go through us. Well within 5 minutes of her bid there went 5 members leaving the faction and then over the next 2/3 days we lost about roughly 15-25 members (for various reasons but mostly due to that poll or their close friends had left), many of whom were the most active/geared up/pros at pk/tw etc. we had in the guild. Most if not all joined Enraged which had just formed in the previous few days.

So yah that's how Charity caused the first mass exodus of players from Radiance. That coupled with the 2nd mass exodus of players due to her being banned and then inactive for days at a time (why most left this time and this time they splintered off to numerous guilds; even new ones such as Caesar) which ultimately lead to her relinquishing her role as leader (even this had drama involved *sigh*) is what has led to Radiance to now being regarded correctly as the #2 tw guild on the server.

Mmk happy now? Now you have a generalization of what has occured. Is this why every single person left? Of course not but it's definitely a factor for most that did leave.

Scarecrowsid - Heavens Tear

Rawthorne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well time for history lesson then. I believe 2? weeks in a row Rad went after a dead RoC (along w/ the rest of the server). The lands we chose were more for strategic reasons (swamp of the wraiths/fb69 port spot for ex. which Evo bid on after we did then we trumped w/ a 50kk bid *sigh*). Finnally it came to where we were left w/ a choice. 1. Head towards DWP and take on Triad. 2. Attack Evo at Etherblade. 3. Or cut Legion off from attacking Triad by once again attacking a dead RoC land. The last option was what Charity went with. This was after she made a poll that she "claimed" was what the future tw direction should be and over 75% chose to be agressive or war mongers basically (the last 2 choices). Why did she do this then? Well at the time we were "preliminary" allies with Triad (we neevr became full allies with them according to her posts on our forums and convos I had with her) and supposedly they "asked" us for their assistance to protect them from Legion (Triad was no where near as strong as Legion at the time). She also "claimed" she had numerous pms asking her to take I believe Hidden Orchid rather then Etherblade or head towards DWP. She was WARNED that doing so would result in many of the active/strong etc. members would bail if as they saw it; she "ignored" the poll she placed. She also always "preferred" to isolate every guild as much as possible so that if they wanted to grow they'd have to go through us. Well within 5 minutes of her bid there went 5 members leaving the faction and then over the next 2/3 days we lost about roughly 15-25 members (for various reasons but mostly due to that poll or their close friends had left), many of whom were the most active/geared up/pros at pk/tw etc. we had in the guild. Most if not all joined Enraged which had just formed in the previous few days.

So yah that's how Charity caused the first mass exodus of players from Radiance. That coupled with the 2nd mass exodus of players due to her being banned and then inactive for days at a time (why most left this time and this time they splintered off to numerous guilds; even new ones such as Caesar) which ultimately lead to her relinquishing her role as leader (even this had drama involved *sigh*) is what has led to Radiance to now being regarded correctly as the #2 tw guild on the server.

Mmk happy now? Now you have a generalization of what has occured. Is this why every single person left? Of course not but it's definitely a factor for most that did leave.

ahh run, run for your lives!! its a wall of text b:shocked

Crystabella - Heavens Tear

What I find interesting is some Radiance members (including Rawthorne) defended Charity and her choices all the way, now that shes gone shes a great scapegoat for everything thats wrong or doesnt work.

Rifkind - Heavens Tear

Rawthorne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well time for history lesson then. I believe 2? weeks in a row Rad went after a dead RoC (along w/ the rest of the server). The lands we chose were more for strategic reasons

Yah, Land of Buried Bones very strategic....b:chuckle

Radiance had been attacking RoC and only RoC for several weeks before Hong left; I was an officer but I was only ever invited to one officer meeting, so all I know about the wars is that June/Charity seemed to have arrangements and/or alliances with every other guild except RoC, so they seemed to be pretty much the only guild that Radiance COULD attack.

Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear

Rawthorne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well time for history lesson then. I believe 2? weeks in a row Rad went after a dead RoC (along w/ the rest of the server). The lands we chose were more for strategic reasons (swamp of the wraiths/fb69 port spot for ex. which Evo bid on after we did then we trumped w/ a 50kk bid *sigh*). Finnally it came to where we were left w/ a choice. 1. Head towards DWP and take on Triad. 2. Attack Evo at Etherblade. 3. Or cut Legion off from attacking Triad by once again attacking a dead RoC land. The last option was what Charity went with. This was after she made a poll that she "claimed" was what the future tw direction should be and over 75% chose to be agressive or war mongers basically (the last 2 choices). Why did she do this then? Well at the time we were "preliminary" allies with Triad (we neevr became full allies with them according to her posts on our forums and convos I had with her) and supposedly they "asked" us for their assistance to protect them from Legion (Triad was no where near as strong as Legion at the time). She also "claimed" she had numerous pms asking her to take I believe Hidden Orchid rather then Etherblade or head towards DWP. She was WARNED that doing so would result in many of the active/strong etc. members would bail if as they saw it; she "ignored" the poll she placed. She also always "preferred" to isolate every guild as much as possible so that if they wanted to grow they'd have to go through us. Well within 5 minutes of her bid there went 5 members leaving the faction and then over the next 2/3 days we lost about roughly 15-25 members (for various reasons but mostly due to that poll or their close friends had left), many of whom were the most active/geared up/pros at pk/tw etc. we had in the guild. Most if not all joined Enraged which had just formed in the previous few days.

So yah that's how Charity caused the first mass exodus of players from Radiance. That coupled with the 2nd mass exodus of players due to her being banned and then inactive for days at a time (why most left this time and this time they splintered off to numerous guilds; even new ones such as Caesar) which ultimately lead to her relinquishing her role as leader (even this had drama involved *sigh*) is what has led to Radiance to now being regarded correctly as the #2 tw guild on the server.

Mmk happy now? Now you have a generalization of what has occured. Is this why every single person left? Of course not but it's definitely a factor for most that did leave.

The extensive history lesson of Rad wasn't what I was looking for, but thanks I found it interesting. And thank you for taking the time to write it all.

This all makes me wonder what dramatic change is coming next? Lately it almost seems weekly a serious event rocks one guild, while benefiting another.

XForbidden - Heavens Tear

This forums has been so dam boring. Why are we talking about someone who isnt even around to defend themself anymore. Not that she would but still. Isnt there something else to talk about like who pk you while you were afk or who got owned in DT!!!! Better topics please!!!

Crystabella - Heavens Tear

Well that could be hard xForb, there seems to only be 3 of us actively posting.

I know lets talk fashion b:victory