A couple of Questions

Raein - Lost City

Hi I'm someone who is used to playing melee characters, my main is BM, but, for some reason, Im completely drawn to the wizard on pwi O.o But, since I'm so ineperienced in magic type classes, I have a couple questions.

1. Is it a valid/ good strategy for wizards to kite?
2. Will using leather armour make me a very weak wiz, or more balanced?
3. Do wizards have a difficult time going solo at the early levels/ ever? Or, what are some of the major problems for the wizard?
4. Can wizards duel succesfully, or are they too squishy?
5. Is it a good idea to go into different elements, or focus on one?

I think thats all, thanks

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

1) yes its a good strategy
2) using leather is stupid, mages are DAMAGER DEALERS gimping that is stupid
3)They struggle solo, they are the hardest class to play, though some say it's the funnest.
4) Wizards cannot duel
5) Go all elements. focus on Sandstorm and earth mastery for nukeing tho

Rinnve - Lost City

Raein - Lost City wrote: »

1. Is it a valid/ good strategy for wizards to kite?

It depends. As for PVE, Full mag HAVE to kite, I (vit build) rarely kite 'cause 88 vit allows me to tank some hits; I only do this when want to lure one mob from the group. Don't know about LA wizards.

Raein - Lost City wrote: »

2. Will using leather armour make me a very weak wiz, or more balanced?

More balanced. Other way to do it is going vit build: LA gives defence, vit gives hp. Full mag is balanced only at endgame (i mean ENDGAME, like 1XX with legendary equipment all +5-8) 'cause all his weakness are compensated by equipment.

Raein - Lost City wrote: »

3. Do wizards have a difficult time going solo at the early levels/ ever? Or, what are some of the major problems for the wizard?

Hardest levels are 20-30 when there are many physical/ranged mobs AND you don't have anything (range, damage, controlling) to counteract.

Raein - Lost City wrote: »

4. Can wizards duel succesfully, or are they too squishy?

Full mags are too squishy for that, but vit... I duelled only once on 41 with 45 barb. I've lost, but barb was at ~5% hp, so you can call it "almost a draw" lol. Don't know about LA.

Raein - Lost City wrote: »

5. Is it a good idea to go into different elements, or focus on one?

Forget about elements. You get skills, not elements. Always get main attacking skills - pyro, gush, stone rain; always level pve and pvp shields (water and earth, that is; you can skip water if you buy charms for real money). Get some healing, it will not save you in battle but it's helpful. Get distance shrink to save your ****.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

Rinnve what the hell are you doing with 88VIT? sure that 880hp is nice when mobs are smacking you for 90 damage but when physical monsters hit 500 and magic mobs that 10 shots to kill, you're gonna regret going Vit build.

Fail, Wizard

Rinnve - Lost City

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Rinnve what the hell are you doing with 88VIT? sure that 880hp is nice when mobs are smacking you for 90 damage but when physical monsters hit 500 and magic mobs that 10 shots to kill, you're gonna regret going Vit build.

ROFLMAO.

Ranged mobs hit me at 200 max, that is if i do not DS fast enough. Close range mobs do not touch me. Magical... well, only vipions on my lvl, they do poison me once or twice, but I do not think that pure mag will kill them fast enough to stay untouched. Pure is just about 10-15% stronger on my lvl.

But vit is not about surviving during grinding. Pure is good enough for that. Vit is about surviving in pvp and in difficult pve situations like strong aoe boss. I clearly remember dying a lot on jewelscalen as a pure mag cleric. It's no fun.

Mohkano - Sanctuary

Wizards are not necessarily hard to solo, as least as far as I've gotten with it. It's not the ideal class for solo'ing of course, and you're not going to be solo'ing any bosses or anything, but they generally grind perfectly well.
One nice thing is, you generally don't have to worry about your HP because you're either alive or dead, there's not much in between.

I'd say that the two 'best' builds are Light Armor or Pure Arcane depending on your server. If you are on a PvP server, strongly consider going Light Armor.

On that note though, don't go LA right off the bat, stat arcane first and build up your character a little bit, and once you are at a lower-mid level, then start transitioning to LA. (Probably 30's or 40's?)

Kristoph - Lost City

Wizards are very easy to solo with, you can do any normal (non-boss etc) quest solo at any level with any build, and you'll make money doing it.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

ROFLMAO.

Ranged mobs hit me at 200 max, that is if i do not DS fast enough. Close range mobs do not touch me. Magical... well, only vipions on my lvl, they do poison me once or twice, but I do not think that pure mag will kill them fast enough to stay untouched.

I'm talking about level 60+

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

But vit is not about surviving during grinding. Pure is good enough for that. Vit is about surviving in pvp and in difficult pve situations like strong aoe boss. I clearly remember dying a lot on jewelscalen as a pure mag cleric. It's no fun.

2 things, Refine and Shard

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

My summary of this thead:

Raein: Should I eat this timtam?

Mystic: yes you should

all other wizards: no we want that timtam

Mystic: ok have this timtam

all other wizards: Thank you *about to touch timtam*

Mystic: Don't touch what you can't afford here take these fake timtams

all other wizards: we can't afford fake timtams

Mystic: billy you're a good wizard *gives a real timtam to billy and all other good wizards*

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

1 i only kite'd 1 time in my life and it was on the heaven wear quest

2 LA is decent, pure is ok but my build is the best b:victory

3 lol having trouble soloing good one, b:chuckle lmao
-i dont think any other class can kill faster than a wizard (well maybe archer)

4 lol duel sucessfully, someone told me that my wiz would lose to a lvl 25 cleric. what i do? i dueled a lvl 25, lvl 35 and lvl 45 cleric- first two was easy but the lvl 45 was pure annoying (he stopped fighting and just kept on healing till he ran out of mana???? noob cleric?????)
also i PK a bit i stopped though cause it interfers with my lvling

5 if you want to live get all

Rinnve - Lost City

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm talking about level 60+

6X were easy for pure mag cleric. I don't really think that these levels will be hard for vit wiz, may be only a bit slower.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

2 things, Refine and Shard

When sharding, pure mag must choose between pdef and hp. Both choises fail somehow if you consider sane amounts of money (like all eq 2-3 5g shards on 6X). Refining... Well, if you can refine all to +5 at 6X, pure mag is certainly for you. I personally consider it as a waste of money. I've been there, so I know what I'm speaking of.

Rule - Heavens Tear

Raein - Lost City wrote: »

Hi I'm someone who is used to playing melee characters, my main is BM, but, for some reason, Im completely drawn to the wizard on pwi O.o But, since I'm so ineperienced in magic type classes, I have a couple questions.

1. Is it a valid/ good strategy for wizards to kite?
2. Will using leather armour make me a very weak wiz, or more balanced?
3. Do wizards have a difficult time going solo at the early levels/ ever? Or, what are some of the major problems for the wizard?
4. Can wizards duel succesfully, or are they too squishy?
5. Is it a good idea to go into different elements, or focus on one?

I think thats all, thanks

Sorry to take so long responding, I got sidetracked by other threads.
1. Absolutely. Be aware that mobs lose aggy after 15 secs with no contact.

2. Light Armor is perfectly acceptable and will increase your ability to take hits at the cost of some damage. There is little noticable loss until higher level. Its generally assumed that at 9x you'll restat to Pure when the equipment will start to even out. During your early levels its generally faster to stay Pure Int because XP loss is minor due to deaths and you'll kill faster. LA with stone barrier will keep you alive alot longer though it might slow down your leveling you'll do it less squishy. It is most useful after lev 5x unless your on a PvP server where you might do it at lev 30.

3. No never unless facing ranged phys, hordes, or magic resistant mobs. Focus on your slows and kiting. Pay attention to what element the monsters are and what spells your using. STAY AWAKE. Wiz's are by nature squishy, if you get hit much you will die. Your best friends are gush\glacial snare, distance shrink, will of the pheonix, and force of will. The glacial barrier is f'n awesome for low lev, also learn to use apothacary items. Later levels get your essential sutra and judge from there. Mind the useless spells, don't level them. Read Pandora's guide for skills, I only disagree on a few of the choices.
The worst thing a wiz faces is people lilke MisticLife constantly heckling. Just know they have no clue what they are talking about and are just trying to make another person's life miserable. Build your friend list and you'll do fine, I get constant FB\TT\RBO\DT invites, when those letters make sense, you'll know what I mean.


4. Yes, though tactics and skill are very important. With LA build, I've dueled cleric\barb\bm \veno my own level and win usually. By win I mean 1,2,3 hit kill. If it doesn't happen then, best bet is to distance shrink and change terrain. Start kiting etc. Don't face off against an archer unless you can get in right next to them where thier dmg is decreased. Don't face off with a cleric at all if you can avoid it. As an LA dueling wizzy's is VERY tough, they hit you harder than you hit them, if your going to do it, maintain a seperate arcane armor, avoid using earth based spells, and try to get a Blade Tempest off.

5. Almost every skill you use has an element attached to it. My suggestion is to use all elements, wizzy's shine when they can cast an opposing element at a mob\player. An opposing element will do MUCH more dmg so pay attention. On the same note, your barriers will provide protection against the elements they are based on.

Adroit - Lost City

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1) yes its a good strategy
2) using leather is stupid, mages are DAMAGER DEALERS gimping that is stupid
3)They struggle solo, they are the hardest class to play, though some say it's the funnest.
4) Wizards cannot duel
5) Go all elements. focus on Sandstorm and earth mastery for nukeing tho

ignore this fool... he's an idiot.

For your questions...
1) Yes
2) LA is one of the two main builds, never regretted going LA
3) Going solo is manageable.. but not easy
4) Depends who you are playing, but at 60+ I've seemed to do pretty well with sutra
5) Go all elements, sticking to a couple is just a bad idea

Pirodar - Sanctuary

Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The worst thing a wiz faces is people lilke MisticLife constantly heckling. Just know they have no clue what they are talking about and are just trying to make another person's life miserable. Build your friend list and you'll do fine, I get constant FB\TT\RBO\DT invites, when those letters make sense, you'll know what I mean.

No I don't think it's like that. I don't know MisticLife's story but I'm pretty sure he knows what he is talking about. I think I'm starting to feel similarly. It's not to make others' life miserable. It's to vent a frustration, so that the team responsible for the game can see it. Different people have very different preferences, as we see all the time in the threads here and very different expectations. Some of us came here to play a wizard with some expectations justified by the class name and maybe experience from other games and with time we get more and more disappointed. His very strong statement about using LA is a clear indication of that. Some people are perfectly happy to wear LA and for some the tradeoff is unacceptable. Especially if they view a wizard as a damage dealer. What's the use of a DD who makes less damage than some other classes and doesn't have anything else to offer?

missqq

press S key and gush, that's how to kite.
as for vit, its nice to have, but should be reset at 90

Rinnve - Lost City

Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Especially if they view a wizard as a damage dealer. What's the use of a DD who makes less damage than some other classes and doesn't have anything else to offer?

This issue was already fixed with undine strike and manifest virtue, wasn't it? No more FACs that outdamage wizards lol.