Razor Feathers.

Q - Dreamweaver

Hello, I'm looking to get some opinions on razor feathers. Most guides I have looked at say to leave it for a later level and that's what i have done but now I've been thinking it might be a useful skill to use against robe classes in pvp territory wars, pking, ect.

So to those of you that have the skill razor feathers, tell me your opinion on it.

Thx. b:victory

Rinnve - Lost City

Q - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hello, I'm looking to get some opinions on razor feathers. Most guides I have looked at say to leave it for a later level and that's what i have done but now I've been thinking it might be a useful skill to use against robe classes in pvp territory wars, pking, ect.

10lvl razor:
Channel+cast: 4 seconds
Inflicts physical damage equal to base magic attack plus 200% of weapon damage plus 2258.2.

10lvl plume:
Channel+cast: 2.5 seconds
Inflicts physical damage equal to your base magic attack plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1379.6.

So 1 razor = 2 plumes against single target.

Q - Dreamweaver

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

10lvl razor:
Channel+cast: 4 seconds
Inflicts physical damage equal to base magic attack plus 200% of weapon damage plus 2258.2.

10lvl plume:
Channel+cast: 2.5 seconds
Inflicts physical damage equal to your base magic attack plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1379.6.

So 1 razor = 2 plumes against single target.

Ok Thank you.

Nelae - Heavens Tear

Razor rocks b:mischievous

Lalalie - Heavens Tear

Razor feather is a very powerful skill...especially against robes. Simply think of it as a stronger AOE plume shot...great against a single target or anyone else who happens to bbe nearby (great on mobs btw) they dmg deal is in the range of Weild Thunder for the most part (the same way plume shot is on par with cyclone), And before the self proclaimed "pros" start yelling...I said "for the most part" wield thunder will out dmg feathers in time. All in all...great attk skill...great dmg

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

My Razor Feathers is lvl8 atm. and I'm gathering some sp to max it out. I fell in love with it when I first lvled it (at lvl 62 or so) while I was always underestimating it and calling it useless.

Max it.

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

10lvl razor:
Channel+cast: 4 seconds
Inflicts physical damage equal to base magic attack plus 200% of weapon damage plus 2258.2.

10lvl plume:
Channel+cast: 2.5 seconds
Inflicts physical damage equal to your base magic attack plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1379.6.

So 1 razor = 2 plumes against single target.

Base Magic is the same in each, and that constitutes the bulk of dmg. The difference between the two will keep shrinking as well. 2 Plumes will be better DPS for full mag, Razor can be better for vit builds or -channeling gear.

For PvE a must have for our solo AoEs. For PvP great for following a plume shot to kill them without ticking their charm if they have lots of health. Sparked Razor makes for great fun in TWs.

Samalia - Sanctuary

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

10lvl razor:
Channel+cast: 4 seconds
Inflicts physical damage equal to base magic attack plus 200% of weapon damage plus 2258.2.

10lvl plume:
Channel+cast: 2.5 seconds
Inflicts physical damage equal to your base magic attack plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1379.6.

So 1 razor = 2 plumes against single target.

wrong. its not equal to 2 plume shots.

your base magic attack will already be quite high by the time you get both to lv 10 so, though it may look like double the damage, its actually not.

for example if you did 5k with lv 10 plume, youd probably do around 7k with lv 10 razor. not double and not really reliable in pvp from those numbers and cast times.

it does sometimes have 1 hit capability for robed classes though. so in specific cases it is useful. but i would keep to its base use, which is pve/aoe grinding

but i would imagine its uses in territory wars is much greater than plume shot.

dont take my word on any of this though, ive never used razor feathers. im just describing what it could be used for based on the damage it does.

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

10lvl razor:
Channel+cast: 4 seconds
Inflicts physical damage equal to base magic attack plus 200% of weapon damage plus 2258.2.

10lvl plume:
Channel+cast: 2.5 seconds
Inflicts physical damage equal to your base magic attack plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1379.6.

So 1 razor = 2 plumes against single target.

Do people just have a strange aversion to math these days?

Note...I'm not picking on you Rinnve. Just responding to some of the posts here.

The earliest you can max out RF is 68th.

A Full Mag cleric with Ancient Arbor will have a base mAtk ( without any other equips ) of 2331-2796. Averaged this is 2564. Ancient Arbor has a mAtk of 511-624. Averaged this is 568. So lvl 10 plume averaged is ~4512 before any modifications ( SG, mAtk bonuses, ect ). Level 10 RF is ~5958.

I'll leave it up to the student to check what the damage is for an 80th level with Yaksa as the weapon.

http://www.ecatomb.net/character.php

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Don't think it was math, it is a common mistake people make when starting out. When people see the descrip, the 100% or 200% of weapon dmg is what people focus on, thinking it is the base magic attack. If looked at that way, Razor does double dmg basically. It's not noticing the base magic attack that catches people. Think I noticed that finally in my 2X lvl area when trying to figure out which skills to boost and use.

Rinnve - Lost City

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

A Full Mag cleric with Ancient Arbor will have a base mAtk ( without any other equips ) of 2331-2796. Averaged this is 2564. Ancient Arbor has a mAtk of 511-624. Averaged this is 568. So lvl 10 plume averaged is ~4512 before any modifications ( SG, mAtk bonuses, ect ). Level 10 RF is ~5958.

LOL, it's indeed strange mind abberation I've got. Was focused on 200% weap addon and ~2x fixed part, somehow missing the fact that base matk part is not doubled... So, RF is even more useless.

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

LOL, it's indeed strange mind abberation I've got. Was focused on 200% weap addon and ~2x fixed part, somehow missing the fact that base matk part is not doubled... So, RF is even more useless.

That it's not exacly as strong as 2 plume shots doesn't make it one bit useless, I've already one hit robed users and not one or two but many. Sleep > 2nd spark > RF = dead for any robed user that doesn't have above 2k hp and there are plenty that berely have 2k at 7x. so in worse case senario.. sleep > 2nd spark > RF > cyclone.

I'm talking about my lvl/expirience (in case i need to point the obvious out).

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

LOL, it's indeed strange mind abberation I've got. Was focused on 200% weap addon and ~2x fixed part, somehow missing the fact that base matk part is not doubled... So, RF is even more useless.

Far from it. You didn't check the damage later on did you? It's simply not double.

Another thing that people seem to miss is that each "hit" from RF ( and Tempest, Sirens Kiss ) is factored individually. Meaning that each has a chance to critical.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

I can 1 shot robes with Razor or 1st spark plume.

I hit about 1.9k with razor on robes so yeah, pure int gets owned

Enina - Heavens Tear

Razorfeathers is an invalurable tool once you get it to level 6. Before that, it's pretty much outdamaged by the much faster Plume Shot, and only useful if you decide to AOE a few monsters (the range stinks before that, too).

However, at level 10, Razor Feathers shows its true force. While it doesn't do quite the same damage as Wield Thunder, it's more powerful than Plume Shot, and has the additional strenght of being AOE (or weakness, if you acidentally make a bigger mob mad nearby). Against metal and magical resistant monsters, it's a life savour due to its fast killing and high damage.

Also, as has been said... Arcane users hate Razors.

Klosar - Sanctuary

Ok guyz i will now tell ya 1 little secret
every one avoid razor on lower lvl cuz it suck
later most people forget about that spell and they dont lvl it up.

They dont no that they can handle 15+ mobs at ONCE with that spell!

So i will tell you now and i hope that will help ya alot b:pleased

First take Razor on lvl5+ and purify on lvl 4min
then find some mobs with wood debuffing. (I've grinded Petulii's east from Tusk Town)

Buff yourself, stack iron once and get on ya mount and pick them as much as u can. (If you doing this first time take 3 at most)
When u gather how much u can take get down from ya mount use purify and stack yaself with iron few times. Make sure that u line them up for Razor cuz razor have rly weird AOE.
Next u no what to do... Razor, purify, iron, Razor, purify iron... and so on and on...
I've grinded there with scroll and MP charm 25-30% per hour. b:chuckle

Try it out and tell then what u think about that spell b:pleased

Aeneas - Harshlands

Samalia - Sanctuary wrote: »

it does sometimes have 1 hit capability for robed classes though. so in specific cases it is useful. but i would keep to its base use, which is pve/aoe grinding

but i would imagine its uses in territory wars is much greater than plume shot.

I've recently been experimenting with it, this seems to be the main use in world PvP. Chromatic Seal + double spark/razor feathers gives you the best chance of one-shotting a robe. However, without the seal, yes, you're better off spamming Plume.

In TWs it's useful in clearing out a pack of lowbie catapult healing clerics =P

Zephyrx - Lost City

Razor Feathers is kickass and badass.

If you got the spirit points, pwn with it, dude...

b:victory *does the victory dance* b:victory

yasii

Never really used razor in pk before- cast time is kinda long if you dont have -chan gear. You're relying alot on sleep lasting longer than the sleep- double spark- razor feathers cast time. Razor is good in pve for grinding on poison mobs so leave to level later.

In my opinion against robe users its better to use your phys debuff skill and spam plume (sleep, debuff, spark, plume). Faster and damage should be the same as 1 razor and overall will be alot more if the other person is not 1shot. b:thanks

Hellana - Heavens Tear

i dont think razor is that useful in pk mode but for killing mobs its just great but yeah if you want it go for it

CandyCaneNJ - Dreamweaver

Sorry to revive an old thread but I have Razor feathers now and think it's a great skill! When I use one RF on a monster depending on what type it is, I notice more dmg inflicted than with one plume shot.

I will level it up when I'm at a higher level but for now it's def helped me and is NOT useless to me at all. One person's opinion is just that, an opinion and is not the final say. Sure some will see it as nothing great but to others it will work well. b:pleased

Nelae - Heavens Tear

Hits 20+ mobs, nuff said. ^^

Aeneas - Harshlands

It's great in TW if you ever get an opportunity to DD. Otherwise it's mainly a grinding skill and a key one at that at later levels (when AoE grinding is a must if you have to solo grind)

MyNameIsPooh - Harshlands

CandyCaneNJ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sorry to revive an old thread but I have Razor feathers now and think it's a great skill! When I use one RF on a monster depending on what type it is, I notice more dmg inflicted than with one plume shot.

I will level it up when I'm at a higher level but for now it's def helped me and is NOT useless to me at all. One person's opinion is just that, an opinion and is not the final say. Sure some will see it as nothing great but to others it will work well. b:pleased

in the time it takes to cast 1 razor feathers you could deal more damage by casting 2 plume shots. remember that.

Nelae - Heavens Tear

MyNameIsPooh - Harshlands wrote: »

in the time it takes to cast 1 razor feathers you could deal more damage by casting 2 plume shots. remember that.

Its not for single target in PvE.

MyNameIsPooh - Harshlands

Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its not for single target in PvE.

well he/she said "moster" as in 1 in the quote, but yea generally I see it only used for multiple mobs. But some people "like him/her(i think)" think its a good/better version of plume shot 1v1.

But yea i see what you mean :P

EDIT: also shes lvl 29 and i doubt shes aoe grinding on anything. since as i recall during those lvls, I was quite squishy even with 1v1 mobs b:chuckle

Forp - Heavens Tear

even if it's not a single target skill, it generally does a ****load more than plume shot. assuming something is inc. magic defense, i always use razor feather(sparked or no) to open.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

Your Plume shot will have higher lvl so it will out do Razor Feathers.

CandyCaneNJ - Dreamweaver

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

Your Plume shot will have higher lvl so it will out do Razor Feathers.

I learned a bit more since I posted that lol. Yes I'm almost lvl 30 now and will get the new level of Plume shot yay! I will still use Razor feathers sometimes. For my fb19, I got Purify, Spirit's Gift and the freaking awesome Spark Eruption! omg words cannot say how helpful that is!

Anyway, looking forward to the higher level Plume shot

MyNameIsPooh - Harshlands

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

even if it's not a single target skill, it generally does a ****load more than plume shot. assuming something is inc. magic defense, i always use razor feather(sparked or no) to open.

well I can see how its used to open, but during the fight with a mob after the opening I dont see the point. Although my Razor feathers isnt maxed yet, so my opinion could be not worth mentioning ^^

to forp- how much more damage is a "****load" ? if it is anything lower than double damage than plume shot deals, wouldn't the time it takes for u to channel and cast the spell be negative vs 2 plume shots?

Forp - Heavens Tear

plume shot does roughly 4k on average. razor feather(w/o spark) hits 6.8k~