Wizzy Aoe Grind?
Rule - Heavens Tear
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Any wizzies out there Aoe grind? 5-6 mobs at a time for a duration?
What methods do you use? What builds. Just fishing parties and zhen?
Personal experience matters, please speak from knowledge.
What methods do you use? What builds. Just fishing parties and zhen?
Personal experience matters, please speak from knowledge.
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Ah ****. Seems: There can be only ONE!0
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Aggro 10+ undines and AOE them. One of the few that dared to do it. b:byeAs only the child that I was, I tread with giants.
Their footprints on the sand, marked for times immemorial, serve as evidence of hope.
And though my short legs could not keep up, my heart was always by their side. Conqueror.0 -
I've done 6 Dragonmaids before. At some point I came back from AFKing and all of them were grouped. Blade Tempest -> move back a bit so they cluster -> phoenix -> blink/swim away -> phoenix. Allows you to AOE a group of mobs without getting hit even once, it's pretty funny.Skyannie - Lost City wrote: »Aggro 10+ undines and AOE them. One of the few that dared to do it. b:bye
Rule, (if I remember correctly) you said that you AOEd a bunch of 8x deathknights at land with Breath? Are those magic mobs? I haven't seen them before. Does it take you a charm to survive, and (how much) does it speed up grinding?Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.0 -
Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »Rule, (if I remember correctly) you said that you AOEd a bunch of 8x deathknights at land with Breath? Are those magic mobs? I haven't seen them before. Does it take you a charm to survive, and (how much) does it speed up grinding?
His solo zhen seems like a horrifying waste of money. x.x Those mobs have so much HP, and being LA his damage is even lower since Breath only uses base magic damage, not weapon. I don't think it could be efficient done solo, at all... They're physical mobs by the way.As only the child that I was, I tread with giants.
Their footprints on the sand, marked for times immemorial, serve as evidence of hope.
And though my short legs could not keep up, my heart was always by their side. Conqueror.0 -
Not sure if aoe grind with a wizard (except zhen) is really a good idea at all.
You dont have many aoe skills that are good for grind (2 sparks just wont work if you want to kill continuously) and you are too squishy to take hits from mobs really.
Best way to go imo is party grind (like fish/undines/whatever) or if you want to go solo grab a punisher quest for nice mobs and combine it with a wanted book + exp scroll.
Whenever there is a cluster of mobs, no one stops you from aoe-ing them if you have enough chi, but I mainly use spark burst to get back mana, and normally with that I kill the same amount of mobs just as fast as with aoe...0 -
Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »Rule, (if I remember correctly) you said that you AOEd a bunch of 8x deathknights at land with Breath? Are those magic mobs? I haven't seen them before. Does it take you a charm to survive, and (how much) does it speed up grinding?
More mana efficient than just killing one at a time.. Did approx 180 of them in an hour. Demonic Rogueknights lev 83 Phys. Gush or pyro to get ones attention, same to another 2-3 then DragonsBreath. Setup DB on a 4-5. My DB is lev 10 takes 3-4 ticks to kill a group. Justice and One-Man and a scroll.
MP could be supported with event\apoth
HP required charm for just in case, only ticked it 4-5 times.
I can handle up to about 8 without ticking (assuming no sac, increased att, or mag res)
Tried it last night again with a barb pulling and another wiz doing the gush\pyro to bring them in, killed more but it doesn't really make up the difference. Justice and One-Man and a scroll. Only made about 6% total xp.
(For the LA haters out there, my mag attack is only 400 less than the pure I was working with who is lev 80. No signifigant difference in kill speed. And when he tried to do the grind himself after 4 of them he died.)
*One mans give no bonus XP of course, but do add rep and fragments, so no loss.0 -
Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »(For the LA haters out there, my mag attack is only 400 less than the pure I was working with who is lev 80. No signifigant difference in kill speed. And when he tried to do the grind himself after 4 of them he died.)
Oh come on. You are comparing M Attack of two different players with two different equipment sets? What does it prove? Just tell us how much more M attack You would have if you restated to pure mag. The formula to calculate it is well known.
Let's see in my case. I have 44 str and 5 dex now. If I'm not mistaken I would need 84 str and dex for LA right? So I would have 119 points less in mag. With my current equipment (and it'a nothing great) I get a little more than 10 M attack per 1 mag but let's assume it's 10. that gives 1190 M attack less and I'm talking about minimal, or as I prefer to call it, guaranteed M attack. That's 3 times Your number. I'm not saying it's a lot or it proves anything about LA, but at least the number is right. Now LA haters may speak for themselves.0 -
Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »Oh come on. You are comparing M Attack of two different players with two different equipment sets? What does it prove? Just tell us how much more M attack You would have if you restated to pure mag. The formula to calculate it is well known.
Let's see in my case. I have 44 str and 5 dex now. If I'm not mistaken I would need 84 str and dex for LA right? So I would have 119 points less in mag. With my current equipment (and it'a nothing great) I get a little more than 10 M attack per 1 mag but let's assume it's 10. that gives 1190 M attack less and I'm talking about minimal, or as I prefer to call it, guaranteed M attack. That's 3 times Your number. I'm not saying it's a lot or it proves anything about LA, but at least the number is right. Now LA haters may speak for themselves.
What are you babbling on about? A roughly equivalent pure isn't doing much different dmg on the mobs. Kill time isn't varying much. Whether thats because my wep is +12 (its not) or because the builds vary minimally doesn't much matter. This discussion is regarding AOE killing not the build discussion. Put down the banner. This isn't about LA vs Light, just that the kill time is approx the same in this instance. Now dig in a bit here and work with the IDEA OF THE THREAD.0 -
I'm just pointing out, that the number you use to back up your opinion is misleading. The damage difference is more than 400 for anybody at our levels even with not refined Ancient Arbor without any shards and with rings taken off.
I'm not talking much about AoE killing because my experience is minor and in general not good. I prefer to wait a bit before I put together another post perfect for linking in any discussion about why wizards (or the game) suck, as another example. I still have hope that someone came up with something interesting.
So far we have abusing Will fo the Phoenix (I came up with that one too) and Standing still in LA taking hits like some tank. Why don't we put on haevy amor and just ask some veno to buff us with Bramble Guard? Could be cheaper.0 -
It certainly was not meant to be misleading. It was what the other wiz's dmg was doing compared to mine. In response to aggressive statements that my dmg was so awful that etc etc etc.0
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I've tried a little bit of solo AoE grinding on Decaying Cleavehands and Ossuar Cavalry both metal element mobs. The former has quite high HP but they're phys. which makes them a little bit easier to manage. Ossuar cavalry are magic but with lower HP are a bit easier on your charm.
The Cleavehands I wouldn't recommend unless you're in LA and would also suggest getting cleric/BM buffs and even Barb buffs. What I did was build up chi on lone mobs until i had 2 sparks + 99 chi then find a bunch of them and drop a Blade tempest, depending on how bunched they are maybe a Hailstorm(a bit iffy though as some mobs will be frozen in place and won't be ready for the will of the pheonix) then run back and left or right depending on which way you need to get the mobs bunched, then pop a pheonix. Run back again and wait for the pheonix cool-down to finish then repeat. Or you can pop a HP pot and open up a Dragons Breath.
The same thing applies to Ossuar cavalry except I used Distance shrink to increase the gap and avoid their magic attacks and get them bunched up. Then run back and use pheonix. I never tried Dragons Breath as I figured they'd just run out of range.
This was just a bit of fun. Fishing parties give more XP and Zhen parties are less labour intensive.I like pie0 -
How many at a time could you aggro with Your first Blade Tempest and what chunk of HP did it take approximately?
Can You tell what's hailstorm's range compared with Blade Tempest? more or less.
Thx
I was wondering if embrace->embrace->ult could be efficient in a pair. did anyone try that?0 -
Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »How many at a time could you aggro with Your first Blade Tempest and what chunk of HP did it take approximately?
Can You tell what's hailstorm's range compared with Blade Tempest? more or less.
Thx
I was wondering if embrace->embrace->ult could be efficient in a pair. did anyone try that?
Its been a while since I did it but from memory a lvl 8 blade tempest did about 15k damage, and was roughly a quarter of their HP.
Range of skills is the same based on skill level, AoE diameter is larger on the lvl 59 skills though, maxed hailstorm is roughly half the area of maxed tempest.
Embrace->embrace->Ulti not sure what you mean there.I like pie0 -
Thank You
Yes I was asking about the AoE diameter. Sorry for expressing this badly
By embrace-> embrace I meant kissing with a character of opossite sex to load sparks fast. Well the question is: is it fast?0 -
glacial embrace?Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »Thank You
Yes I was asking about the AoE diameter. Sorry for expressing this badly
By embrace-> embrace I meant kissing with a character of opossite sex to load sparks fast. Well the question is: is it fast?
Chi doesn't build that quickly via embracing about 10 chi per second, it will save you mana and repairs though. Much better to just build chi via killing though, a pyrogram and gush combo generate 30 chi every 4-5 secs.
But sure it might work.I like pie0 -
Ty - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've tried a little bit of solo AoE grinding on Decaying Cleavehands and Ossuar Cavalry both metal element mobs. The former has quite high HP but they're phys. which makes them a little bit easier to manage. Ossuar cavalry are magic but with lower HP are a bit easier on your charm.
The Cleavehands I wouldn't recommend unless you're in LA and would also suggest getting cleric/BM buffs and even Barb buffs. What I did was build up chi on lone mobs until i had 2 sparks + 99 chi then find a bunch of them and drop a Blade tempest, depending on how bunched they are maybe a Hailstorm(a bit iffy though as some mobs will be frozen in place and won't be ready for the will of the pheonix) then run back and left or right depending on which way you need to get the mobs bunched, then pop a pheonix. Run back again and wait for the pheonix cool-down to finish then repeat. Or you can pop a HP pot and open up a Dragons Breath.
The same thing applies to Ossuar cavalry except I used Distance shrink to increase the gap and avoid their magic attacks and get them bunched up. Then run back and use pheonix. I never tried Dragons Breath as I figured they'd just run out of range.
This was just a bit of fun. Fishing parties give more XP and Zhen parties are less labour intensive.
Might require 2 wiz's or a wiz/cleric to make it more effective, which takes away from the fun factor. I absolutely agree that fishing party is better xp. But this is more fun, and working out a good method of handling a horde at range and not sucking ....0 -
Wizard be very bad at AOE grinding ..they too squishyb:victory0
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Get a PvE genie with expel on it, I can solo grind in 3rd map with that. Or you can heal a BM, replacing a EP; works too.
P.S Necrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.0 -
I have successfully been aoe grinding Lethal Araneid Sharpfangs for quite a few levels now.
It takes a bit of concentration but has been very worthwhile. Due to the double drop/xp event I have taken a rest from this due to the crowds there.
To successfully aoe grind has taken a bit of preparation;
Wood defense gear that has also been sharded with aquamarine shards. Every item has wood def stats only. I can get over 15K wood def solo & 21K wood defense with cleric buffs.
Genie has been made specifically for spider grinding and skills include Nullify Poison (stops extra poison stacking for 7 sec), Holy path, etc
Stacks of Crab Meat Jiaozi (If I have a HP charm it's a waste and not worth grinding as it will tick too often. Am quite prepared to let hp drop to 500...think with wood gear total hp in region of 2.7K).
At present I can round up 15 spiders with a passive pull from mount, circle around them to get them into a tight group, then Dragon's Breath (demon version, extra heal is handy).
A typical pull will cost one normal hp pot (1.5K type I think) and 2 Crab Meat Jiaozi.
Costs are about 200K/hour from memory. Net profit in region of 400K/hour after costs.
Spiders are the first mob I have been able to successfully solo aoe grind.
Edit.
1. Spiders only have 31K hp and are level 96. They die in 4 'ticks' of Dragon's Breath.
2. With a cleric who is able to pull whole field (30++ spiders at a time), the cleric buffs enable me to kill them all in 3 'ticks' (except increased health spiders).
3. Solo aoe grinding comprises of making sure I have a spark ready, riding about with more and more spiders following me. First hp pot taken when health at about 50%. Once poison stacking is in region of 500-700 I dismount, target a spider at center back of group and cast Dragon's Breath. As I move towards spider to cast I use genie skill Nullify Poison to stop the worst of the imminent attack. At this point I aslo take a crab meat which will counteract the increasing poison damage I am sustaining. Once crab meat is ready to go again I take another whilst the last of the spiders die. I then self heal as necessary to avoid having to take any more hp pots.0 -
Raybeez - Lost City wrote: »Wizard be very bad at AOE grinding ..they too squishyb:victory
necro.BrownflameZ - Lost City wrote: »Get a PvE genie with expel on it, I can solo grind in 3rd map with that. Or you can heal a BM, replacing a EP; works too.
P.S Necrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
trolled.Ishmah - Sanctuary wrote: »I have successfully been aoe grinding Lethal Araneid Sharpfangs for quite a few levels now.
It takes a bit of concentration but has been very worthwhile. Due to the double drop/xp event I have taken a rest from this due to the crowds there.
To successfully aoe grind has taken a bit of preparation;
Wood defense gear that has also been sharded with aquamarine shards. Every item has wood def stats only. I can get over 15K wood def solo & 21K wood defense with cleric buffs.
Genie has been made specifically for spider grinding and skills include Nullify Poison (stops extra poison stacking for 7 sec), Holy path, etc
Stacks of Crab Meat Jiaozi (If I have a HP charm it's a waste and not worth grinding as it will tick too often. Am quite prepared to let hp drop to 500...think with wood gear total hp in region of 2.7K).
At present I can round up 15 spiders with a passive pull from mount, circle around them to get them into a tight group, then Dragon's Breath (demon version, extra heal is handy).
A typical pull will cost one normal hp pot (1.5K type I think) and 2 Crab Meat Jiaozi.
Costs are about 200K/hour from memory. Net profit in region of 400K/hour after costs.
Spiders are the first mob I have been able to successfully solo aoe grind.
trolled.Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
Current gear: pwcalc.com/6ab2893fbfb080a8
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Adroit, what purpose does posting this serve?
Sure, the thread was necroed earlier (had not noticed until you pointed that out). That does not change the fact that wizzies find it difficult at best to aoe solo grind. As such, this is a relevant topic to discuss and could be helpful to some people.
You quoted me and said I was a troll. Are you trying to be funny? Flaming others helps build your ego? What purpose does it serve?
People like you are ruining these forums. I've had enough.
Have a fun time in game. Cya b:bye0 -
You got trolledIshmah - Sanctuary wrote: »Adroit, what purpose does posting this serve?
Sure, the thread was necroed earlier (had not noticed until you pointed that out). That does not change the fact that wizzies find it difficult at best to aoe solo grind. As such, this is a relevant topic to discuss and could be helpful to some people.
You quoted me and said I was a troll. Are you trying to be funny? Flaming others helps build your ego? What purpose does it serve?
People like you are ruining these forums. I've had enough.
Have a fun time in game. Cya b:bye●Wizard (Male) - Fasditious and pretentious, carries the arrogance of intellectual superiority. Feels the need to remind everyone of his world-ending power, but grows a little manic and unhinged when he finally is allowed to unleash it. "Ahh-hahahahaha!! NOW YOU ALL BURN!!!!"
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I'm grinding 20-30 mobs at map valley of the scared. I'm using DB and also one heal from genie tree of protection. Unbuffed I have 5K HP. First I lure them by flying little bit above them and them jump down and DB. Very easy. b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »I'm grinding 20-30 mobs at map valley of the scared. I'm using DB and also one heal from genie tree of protection. Unbuffed I have 5K HP. First I lure them by flying little bit above them and them jump down and DB. Very easy. b:chuckle
I was in Baghdad while you were in your Dad's BagsI like pie0 -
Ty - Heavens Tear wrote: »I was in Baghdad while you were in your Dad's Bags
? I don't understand. What do you want to say?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Ishmah - Sanctuary wrote: »Adroit, what purpose does posting this serve?
Sure, the thread was necroed earlier (had not noticed until you pointed that out). That does not change the fact that wizzies find it difficult at best to aoe solo grind. As such, this is a relevant topic to discuss and could be helpful to some people.
You quoted me and said I was a troll. Are you trying to be funny? Flaming others helps build your ego? What purpose does it serve?
People like you are ruining these forums. I've had enough.
Have a fun time in game. Cya b:bye
I posted that to point out that it was a necro.. the GM's/Mods have made it quite clear that necro = not cool and to start a new thread.
I quoted you and said you were trolled, because you continued a conversation that ended a year ago.
Don't need stupid people on the forums anywayz. b:byeYoutube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
Current gear: pwcalc.com/6ab2893fbfb080a8
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well ive played october before last and ive done lots and LOTS of studying on LA vs pure, im pure and i wanna restat to LA. the damage difference isnt much different, but the survivability IS. with more P def from LA, our P def buff doubles it so it gets insane. Plus, the dex from LA adds crits, and the STR adds P armor. It's a matter of opinion, but LA is much easier to survive with. and hi rule, ive seen you helped with my FB 39 a while ago lol0
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My AOE grind
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I AoE grind like the BMs do it, against melee mobs. After the first couple hits use the expel genie skill and hope it lasts long enough to kill most of them...
You can also try dropping a MS + hailstorm + BT on a group of spiders once you get 3 sparks. It doesn't matter the number as long as they all get hit by the two big ones.0
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