Annoying Boss Kills.

d0pey

Huyidao - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I understand your point on not paying people for anything. I think it is reasonable on your side to not pay for teleporting or pots, but that implies the helpers are not breaking even and instead they are losing money by helping a stranger.

As rsin suggested, there are many people who are willing to help, for free, when they are nearby. However, that means there is a small chance that the right levels will be near Krimson, Kong, or many of the Misfortune bosses. I cannot rationalize why would a group of high levels travel from Whetstone to Misfortune just to help a stranger on Slither. For most people, that simply takes too much time.

On the other hand, people in the right guilds (or have a good friend-list) will be able to find guildies to travel far and help for free. I can think of 2 main reasons. (1) They have interacted with each others, so friends will do favors for friends. (2) Helpers know that they can count on the people they help to return the favor when they need it. People in my guild have asked to take level 50 veno, cleric, and dd's into TT runs and quest bosses because they needed the extra hand. Even though the work is above their levels, most of them gladly contribute because they are friends. For a stranger, though, (1) and (2) do not apply, so the situation is win/lose. My guildies have helped strangers on bosses before and a third of them go AFK while the other 2/3 are nice but we will never see them again. As such, it is difficult to justify helping unless the helpers are close in the area such that they will not lose much.

And for the OP, option 3 is to have a good friend list.

As I've explained many, many, umpteen times about 'helping out willingly', you obviously do not seem to get my point. Yes, if you wanted to help someone in your own will you will not expect yourself to get paid, 'rewarded' or anything else. As I've again, repeated in my last few replies, I will and can only accept help if that person is WILLING+do not whine about stuff+if they're FREE, or just bored, nothing to do and wanted to just help out a poor thing like me then yeah, why not? If they're free and had nothing to do AND are willing to help then the distance+what not won't matter. I've already said that help is appreciated if these guys are actually free and happy to help. So please, read properly before u state another point that I've already previously repeated.

Friend list wise I must say that I do not have many in mine, but really, I play this game cuz I wanted to get rid of my boredom, so in a way not really to make friends... it's international anyways so why would it matter... But sometimes I still meet nice and 'clickable' people in the game tho, but either they're the same level as me, or some pretty much higher but ain't free or not really that close. That's why I posted about this 'helping out people on bosses' thingy. It's really frustrating if you imagine yourself to be one of those players with no one to count on in the game but still not yet prepared to join a guild-_-

As for the part in which your guildies travelled all the way just to help a stranger, kudos to them, but seriously this is not obligatory. You help because you want to. So, do not expect too much.

swgs wrote: »

I actually stop by kong, quiling, gouf and other boss spots to see if any one need help once or twice a week when I fly by. because I still remember the day I wait on the big rock near jew for 3 hours, finally find a group have a open spot. I was guildless that time of course. what so strange is I always see people wait here when I was around level 60. but hardly see any people wait for group around boss spot any more.

Very kind and nice of you swgs, but usually I do not see people hovering around the spots like that. b:sad

Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is part of why I HATE Boss Kill quests and refuse to do them when not required for Spiritual Cult or the like until I can solo their sorry rears.

You get told to go out and kill a LOT of very powerful bosses which are insanely powerful for your level alone but killing them is not very rewarding for you and completely worthless for anyone who would help you unless they too need to complete that quest. (Even then it can be very hard for someone on the level of the Quest to kill them even with a team unless they are very very well oiled and stocked up with the right pots and gear) (I also love how the NPC's claim you did it all on your own sometimes...oooh yeeeah...like THAT happened)

The reason they do not help you is because while these quests seem to assume you can pull a Tank and Healer who are lvl 70+ out of your pocket on command they do not reward those two players at ALL. What do they get? A warm fuzzy feeling that they helped you...yeah...that is about it...And maybe the need to buy a new Charm or more pots...At least the FB's give them a reason to help you and while some may agrue that the higher level folks should do it out of the kindness of their heart the honest truth is that these quests are unfair to them as well as to the person they are given to.

However, there is good news for you. You do NOT have to do most of these guys so just ignore them until you can crush them by yourself if you are not getting help.

Well... playing as an archer I think I still need another helper at least if I'm actually high enough to finish them off. But elites like Kong, Slither, Mantavip, etc etc etc a lot mooooooooore.... it's pretty impossible for me to solo them unless I'm a veno -_-... in which even venos can only solo a few of them, not all. And plus good pets and what not.>.< So your suggestion seems to be... Keep waiting.b:laugh

erethizon1

Speaking as a person that has never had a faction and has never had any items to allow me to shout, the number one thing I would advise is patience. You can get away with a little less patience if you have your own shouts (since you can get the ball rolling), but sometimes you are still going to get no responses. Eventually however you will give a shout and several people will respond and that is the day you will get it done.

Hazardus - Heavens Tear

Why don't people join a guild? Its not all drama and doom and gloom. Its a better way to play the game. You have fun fighting and chatting. And I'm not even talking about FB/TT/TW/boss runs.

Take the damn time to look through different guilds, join a few, find one that fits. Make some effort. Party for quest and grind with people. Decent folks generally tend to join decent guilds. Make some friends, have some real fun. I would hate to solo my way through this game.

And as for helping people out? I regularly go help out my guildies and friends. Quite often theres one or two randoms there waiting for help and I don't mind helping them out either.

But if you expect me (or anyone really) to go out of my way to help you, with no form of reward whatsoever (not all rewards are money and experience) then I'm sorry you're just being unreasonable.

Huyidao - Heavens Tear

"As I've explained many, many, umpteen times about 'helping out willingly', you obviously do not seem to get my point."

Chill... there's a difference between writing my thoughts vs. persuading you my opinions. I'm just writing what I think are some of the reasons. I know you only will receive help from entirely altruistic people, and all I said was there aren't many of them.

I'll get more flame for writing the following, but based on what I'm reading, you're more inclined to cause drama in a guild, and then leave while complaining about drama. Personally I wouldn't want you to join any guilds I'm in (and yes yes I know you'll repeat many times that you wouldn't want to anyway [server aside]).

d0pey

Huyidao - Heavens Tear wrote: »

"As I've explained many, many, umpteen times about 'helping out willingly', you obviously do not seem to get my point."

Chill... there's a difference between writing my thoughts vs. persuading you my opinions. I'm just writing what I think are some of the reasons. I know you only will receive help from entirely altruistic people, and all I said was there aren't many of them.

I'll get more flame for writing the following, but based on what I'm reading, you're more inclined to cause drama in a guild, and then leave while complaining about drama. Personally I wouldn't want you to join any guilds I'm in (and yes yes I know you'll repeat many times that you wouldn't want to anyway [server aside]).

Wow, knowing that you will start a flame and still writing these? What's your point? I'm just being myself and choosing the way to play the game. And sorry to disappoint you, but I'vd never caused any drama in any guilds I've been in before and since you already misinterpreted my point from the beginning you have no reason to judge me at all. If I left a guild, end of story. No comments whatsoever.

To join a guild or not is totally a person's choice, and you can't generalise people who don't wanna be in guilds are actually troublemakers. Your thoughts apparently seemed more defensive/offensive than 'persuasive'.Look at your posts then think before hitting the reply button. This thread is meant to be a section for discussion and suggestions, not a flaming ground; so respect others and yourself before trying to write some meaningless accusations again.

Huyidao - Heavens Tear

Yes, I agree that you are being yourself. In re-reading some of the thread, I apologize for the misunderstandings. Everyone has different playing styles and personalities. It sounds like you've been successful at how you play, so it makes sense to continue to believe that you will be able to receive the help that you want, in the way you want.

Kitsuneaki - Sanctuary

Some factions have drama, but dont assume all do. Theres no benifit from helping a random guildless person, not even the benifit from helping your faction member. Thats how most people are, and if im close to an area i'll help out someone if im not busy. But if im far away, your not getting my time... If you want to be a solo class, be a veno (unless u already are). well..c ya

Karolii - Sanctuary

When I need to kill a boss I just go and check out the boss, hang there for a few minutes (fly around its head) and someone always appears :P Someone, who just passes by or needs to kill the same boss. So we team up and problem solved. It has worked so far, but I'm not a big fan of bosses, I mostly kill them for my Spiritual Cultivation, so I'm not an expert.

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why don't people join a guild?

Because there simply isn't a need to do so.

Nubble - Heavens Tear

i've been in guilds which promises tt/fb/tw and any kind of help
but so far my friends are helped with my fb's/TT's not any guild where i've been in, also i hate TW its just money losing event^^..i was guildless few weeks and decided to make own guild..i passed lead to my ig wife's alt and im normal member now cuz i got enough of ninja invites to some random guilds
its nice to be in some guilds but so far its not for me

MissEbil - Heavens Tear

I wish people would stop expecting high levels or guildies to do things for them, right when they want them.
Best example was people actually left my DW faction because we didn't do their fb39 when they wanted us to.
Our highest levels have had some of their tabs for other fbs for 2-4 weeks, cos they can't find help high enough, and/or are too busy helping out lower guildies.
BIG TY to all the guys of Midnight, you rock and you know it.

XAsch - Sanctuary

Ew, bosses before an FB?