Rare Pets: A Luxury or a "Must-have"?

valvs

I got involved in a discusion in another subforum about the importance of rare pets to a veno. In my opinion, rare pets (those that spawn once every 12 hours or so) are nice to have, but a veno can play, quest, level etc. very sucessfully without them. But then, I may be mistaken, after all, my veno is only level 43, so I am interested in opinions of more experienced players.

P.S. Please, don't start abstract philosophic discussions about nothing being really necessary in an online game etc. Let's agree that certain thing are essential for normal, successful gameplay as most people understand it. For example, everyone needs decent armor and weapons. Venos also need decent pets. So the question is, do the rare (12 hrs) pets fall into this category of essential things?

Update:I'd like to thank everyone who has already replied and/or voted.

Hisui - Heavens Tear

**** rare pets.

Shell out 20 mil or 200 bucks and get yourself a phoenix and/or herc.

edit: If you don't have that luxury. Then I will answer your question. No. The only rare pet that has a very good unique use is kowlin. But even for kowlin there is a good lurer replacement, the Eldergoth Marksman. So technically, sawfly, golem, and marksman is the trio you'll be working with and none of them is rare.

Most rare pets suck. The only useful one I found is

baby bear: extremely good defense, with higher magic defense than golem and just about same p-def. But the damage it shells out is low compared to golem so its not that good of a grinder. But it has the rare skill that stuns ppl, which makes it a good ground pvper.

armored bear: the big version of the above. But with more defense and less attack.

kowlin: very fast. moderate damage. Extremely "well rounded" and its my primary ground grinder.

Flying piggy: air tank. but pfft you dun need to tank air mobs. sawfly ftw.

valvs

Hisui - Heavens Tear wrote: »

**** rare pets.

Shell out 20 mil or 200 bucks and get yourself a phoenix and/or herc.

That's exactly what I am planning to do . In fact, I am working on it already. But the question is not just about myself. I am interested in general consensus regarding rare pets.

hollow

their not vital imo i personally couldnt resist getting the baby bear again though with some tweaking it makes magic mob/boss easier and holds hate well.

Daerys - Sanctuary

Definitely a luxury only. Most are quite a bit worse than normal pets for everyday use. Function > Form imo.

Peritia - Lost City

Seems I'm part of the general consensus; I'd agree they're a complete luxury.

Don't get me wrong, I love my rare pets and will continue to buy them up since they're adorable, but as mentioned... None of them are really dramatically (any?) better at their roles than normal equivalent pets.

On a somewhat-related note, I always find it funny that so many people love the bear so much. I have a frog and a bear, and if I had to pick one I'd take the frog, hands-down. Bear is cute and all, but I just find the Frog a better all-rounder to back up my Golem. Plus I find he's spunkier and more unique.

Valdea - Dreamweaver

I'm personally a huge fan or rare pets, they're adorable as all can be and I think some of their stats are pretty good too. The only one I have experience with (unfortunately) is the snow hare. It think as far as magic defense goes, it's a good one to have. However I want the Shaodu cub like mad (so if anyone on dreamweaver happens to know it's spawn time that information would be greatly appreciated ^^)
However, I do agree, to some extent they are a luxury. I just wish that greedy high lvl venos didn't tame them only to turn around and make a profit off of them.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Your poll is tainted by the presence of the legendary pets. As I said in our discussion, excluding the legendary, most of the rares are "best in class." Exclude the legendary pets as an option (as most venos don't seem to have the money or time to collect the money) and I imagine you'll get very different results.

Peritia - Lost City

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Your poll is tainted by the presence of the legendary pets. As I said in our discussion, excluding the legendary, most of the rares are "best in class." Exclude the legendary pets as an option (as most venos don't seem to have the money or time to collect the money) and I imagine you'll get very different results.

I was under the impression that that was what the poll was about... I figured the pets are three-tier:

Normal // Rare // Legendary

and thus that this poll is about the Rare category by itself.
(ie. Snow Hare, Cub, Frog, Kowlin, and the bunch)

EDIT: Think I misunderstood your post. Although you seem to imply that Legendary pets exist, and thus overshadow the Rares... I don't feel that way. Herc beats Golem which beats my Frog... Despite the fact that Golem is Normal and my Frog is Rare. So I still think it's a valid poll.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Peritia - Lost City wrote: »

EDIT: Think I misunderstood your post. Although you seem to imply that Legendary pets exist, and thus overshadow the Rares... I don't feel that way. Herc beats Golem which beats my Frog... Despite the fact that Golem is Normal and my Frog is Rare. So I still think it's a valid poll.

Yes, I can see how it can be viewed that way too. I'm getting the impression that the OP and I were arguing past each other with different base assumptions about levels of necessity. His poll as worded is very slanted towards his line of thinking.

My point was e.g. for general use, I think my cub > golem when I first got it. But since I'm planning on getting a herc, I haven't been upgrading the cub's skills and it's no longer able to keep aggro. So currently my golem > cub. If I weren't planning to or wasn't able to fund a herc, then I would be upgrading the cub's skills and I would still consider it "necessary".

Hisui's first post is closer to my line of thinking, where certain rare pets I consider to be "necessary" if you want to optimize your pet build. To the same extent as getting molds are "necessary" if you want to optimize your equipment build. Are they (rare pets and molds) necessary to have fun playing the game? Of course not. But they can make the game significantly easier. (But then OP said not to turn this into a philosophical discussion about "necessity", basically setting up the poll by using his definition.)

Edit: Maybe I should point out that this whole thing started off as a "need before greed" argument. I took the side that a veno planning to use a rare pet needed it more than someone who was just planning to sell it, and in a "fair" world (not that this is a fair world) would get priority over farmers. OP had the view that rares were simply decorations and weren't really "needed", so the farmer had just as much right to them as someone trying to tame it for use, since they wouldn't really be "using" them. Does that clear things up a bit more?

valvs

Solandri, I made this poll primarily to clear certain things for myself. I didn't name any names, and I certainly don't appreciate your attempts to misrepresent my opinions as slanted and hijack the thread to assert your point of view on matters that are irrelevant to the subject of this poll. Of course, you are absolutely welcome to agree or disagree with anyone about anything as long as you stay on topic. If you want to start a new argument on that need vs greed matter, why won't you open another thread?

And in fact, it was not your post in that other thread that made me to make this poll. After you, someone made a post comparing rare pets with regular armor and weapons, and implying (if not directly saying) that without them you can just as well sit naked in the staring area endlessly killing lowest level mobs. That was what ticked me off.

I think my wording is quite appropriate for the porpose of this poll. I made it to find out and/or ascertain things I want to find out and ascertain for myself, and hear out opinions of other players on those matters that interest me, and not in order to prove someone wrong.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

I added a couple replies to that original thread. I think I see where our differences and agreements lie, and our opinions are not as divergent as we first thought.

I apologize if you thought I was threadjacking. That wasn't my intent. I truly did think your poll was an attempt to repudiate my POV, and felt it necessary to give my POV a fair airing. Since that wasn't your intent, I was in error, and I do apologize.

valvs

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I added a couple replies to that original thread. I think I see where our differences and agreements lie, and our opinions are not as divergent as we first thought.

I apologize if you thought I was threadjacking. That wasn't my intent. I truly did think your poll was an attempt to repudiate my POV, and felt it necessary to give my POV a fair airing. Since that wasn't your intent, I was in error, and I do apologize.

Alright . b:pleased

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

From my point of view, Ive noticed that most rare pets just have sorry excuses for stats compared to that of normal pets. Yes the baby bear is a good pet, but is in no way superior to most of the normal pets you can get. Any veno not serious in investing a ton of money in their character can easily perform like any other with just a simple use of the norm (Golem tank, Eldergoth puller etc) The only thing imo, rare pets are good for, is just.. looking good.

Damewort - Sanctuary

Rare pets are just luxury. I compared their stats only after getting my Tabby and was bit shoched that rare pets are nothing more than just... rare and nice looking. True, they have few points which makes them not only nice looking, but also good in one or two fields - Snowhare a magic tank, baby bear - phys. tank, tabby - puller (for his lvl). But they aren't the best for sure. One exception is Kowlin which probably is the fastest puller.

They are just Luxury. Waste money on them if you really, really, really want one and has spare cash. But even better if you try to catch one yourself.

KallenHapti - Sanctuary

i don't care about rare/cash shop pets
the only rare pet i got is the flying piggy cause i can't stand both the foxwing and the bees
and i caught some bunnies to make a baby snow hare and give it to my bf as present

Literature - Harshlands

If I didn't have a herc I'd most likely have a shaudo cub. I like how they look and I hear they are decent tanks.

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear

If you cannot afford Phoenix / Hercules : One golem and one sawfly and you are equipped for life.

Why pay the inflated prices some of those rare pets commands, while normal pets can do the job as well if not better?

LilmissQt - Heavens Tear

Back when i got mine it was still possible to camp it , one thing is for sure id never pay for one .Its sad whenever i see selling camper everyone should have a chance at them especialy since their not that great.

Krisnda - Lost City

valvs wrote: »

I got involved in a discusion in another subforum about the importance of rare pets to a veno. In my opinion, rare pets (those that spawn once every 12 hours or so) are nice to have, but a veno can play, quest, level etc. very sucessfully without them. But then, I may be mistaken, after all, my veno is only level 43, so I am interested in opinions of more experienced players.

P.S. Please, don't start abstract philosophic discussions about nothing being really necessary in an online game etc. Let's agree that certain thing are essential for normal, successful gameplay as most people understand it. For example, everyone needs decent armor and weapons. Venos also need decent pets. So the question is, do the rare (12 hrs) pets fall into this category of essential things?

Update:I'd like to thank everyone who has already replied and/or voted.

to answer your question, i think that while having those type of rare pets can be fun to tame and have (i should know, i have a snow hare) but i dont think that they are essential things to have, if you have one good, if not its not the end of the world.