KOS System

Dragodarknae - Heavens Tear

Peace......

Quote from Shnuggles:

"It isn't enough to talk about peace. One must believe in it. And it isn't enough to believe in it. One must work at it."
-Eleanor Roosevelt

Only way I see peace in this server is to initiate the KOS system between the non-pk guilds.

All for...... say Aye
All against........too bad haha

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Dragodarknae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Peace......

Quote from Shnuggles:

Only way I see peace in this server is to initiate the KOS system between the non-pk guilds.

All for...... say Aye
All against........too bad haha

Ummmm... the only remote pk guild on HT is enrage. All other guilds only have a handful of white names at best.

Literature - Harshlands

I think they should xfer all the cowards causing trouble on the pve servers over to the pvp servers.

That would be funny to see.

"OMg Gm PLzzz Remove us from This ServeR...these lvl 100 wonT stop KilIING Us!!!111!"

"10v3 NOt FaiR and TheY WonT StoP PLssss Do something GM!!!1!1"

Defected - Heavens Tear

Literature - Harshlands wrote: »

I think they should xfer all the cowards causing trouble on the pve servers over to the pvp servers.

That would be funny to see.

"OMg Gm PLzzz Remove us from This ServeR...these lvl 100 wonT stop KilIING Us!!!111!"

"10v3 NOt FaiR and TheY WonT StoP PLssss Do something GM!!!1!1"

I would love it if they transferred my character to Harshlands. Good idea!

Saitada - Sanctuary

Defected - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I would love it if they transferred my character to Harshlands. Good idea!

Naw.. Lost City 4 you. lol.

~S

Hisui - Heavens Tear

If they transfered us to Harshlands you guys would be crying so hard

Tequila_wolf - Heavens Tear

umm whats KoS ?? kill on sight?

Saitada - Sanctuary

Actually, I think they should create a War Dec system where factions can pay x coin to declare war on similar level factions (i.e. lvl 1 factions can declare war on lvl 1 factions etc). The more members the faction that is getting war declared on it has, the higher the cost of the war dec. This would also be modified by the average level of the members (i.e. a lvl 1 faction with an average lvl 80+ membership declaring war on a lvl 1 faction with members who's average is 45ish would have to pay a significantly higher cost to declare war etc to reduce the chance of griefing [ war between relatively equal factions would cost say 1 million coins to declare but war between unequal factions could cost as much as or more than 20 million coins depending on how severe the difference is, and factions with too large a lvl difference can't declare war on one another etc]).

When a faction has declared war on another faction, ALL members in both factions become PK flagged to one another (although other non faction players would still see them as blue named unless they had PK mode ON).

There would be areas of the map that are open battlegrounds and areas (such as the territories around major cities) that would be Neutral ground.

Declarations of war can only last 7 days and then would have to be dropped for a week before it can be started again. etc.

~S

Devarsi - Sanctuary

or the people should just roll pvp server if they wanna kill people they don't like or enemy factions

tylorchen

Devarsi - Sanctuary wrote: »

or the people should just roll pvp server if they wanna kill people they don't like or enemy factions

Exactly.

"Let's roll PvE to kill people"

is like saying

"I'm the smartest kid on the shortbus."

...

Not making fun of people it's just like... doesn't make sense. >_>

MissEbil - Heavens Tear

I think it would be better if there was a penalty for PKing people 10 or more levels below you, where your stats are all taken down by 1/3 each time for a set period.
It worked well in Rappelz, and while it didn't stop PK it sure as hell made everything a lot more fair. I had my chance at revenge and didn't have to complain about the GMs gearing just about EVERYTHING towards high levels.

Vanyadarknae - Heavens Tear

Tequila_wolf,
KOS means *kill on sight*

Let me explain this in full detail: Without mentioning any names with in the PW world, I will use PVP or PVE servers to expalin my point.

Guilds have chosen on PVP servers to come together and put a KOS out on people who CHOOSE to disrupt the social value system of the game. Just because a person decides to play a PVP server, it does not mean they should be harassed or killed over and over by the same person day in and day out. That is a direct violation of the TOS, because there game play is being interrupted and it becomes miserable to play. PVP means player vs player, NOT let me PK a person over and over. You can choose to play a player vs player server the correct way and engage in organized guild battles, A guild having a day at the lake with their guildies killing each other (fun as heck), Role play out in chat, so the person you want to engage is aware and then go at it. I have mentioned a few of proper player vs player game play. Pking over and over on a player is harassment as well as grief playing and that is not what player vs player is about.

Now with that said, basically if certain members of a guild or guilds in a PVE server want to choose to play in a disruptive manner to the social value system, then what guilds need to do is come together, by putting out a KOS on them or an individual and eventually they will stop. This has been accomplished on PVP servers, and you rarely see negative pk or grief playing going on.
Respect deserves respect, and that has been chucked right out the window by a few who have chosen to disrupt the social value system within Heavens Tear. So, we must make a stand and work as Team and bring peace back to Heavens Tear.


Vanya

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually, I think they should create a War Dec system where factions can pay x coin to declare war on similar level factions (i.e. lvl 1 factions can declare war on lvl 1 factions etc).

Lol, that would remove the reason why people choose to play on a PvE server to begin with.

Zhoelle - Sanctuary

Vanya, great post. If PvP works this way, I'll roll up a character on Heaven's Tear tonight!

Terniti - Heavens Tear

^^ Your right Blanch ^^

i rolled PvE in this game to hopefully avoid the drama starters, social misfits etc..

but like someone said ealier, saying your a 'bad ****' on a pve server is like being the smartest kid with downs syndrome.. if any of the people who distrupt the PvE servers rolled on PvP they would get walked on..

and if they truly think they are badmofos and can handle openworld pvp, i say why dont they go for it? the servers are right there, if they are so 'leet' that they can own everything.. then show it. thats what the PvP servers are for

ive played too many Pvp realm games, im sick of it, i just want to please the addiction i have to mmorpgs by leveling up in peace, hence i went with PvE..

Devarsi - Sanctuary

zhoelle you do realize Heaven's Tear is PvE just like sanctuary?

Lost City and Harshlands are the pvp servers

Dragodarknae - Heavens Tear

Basically what I am meaning by this is for all Guilds to come together and stop those that like vanya said "choose to pk over and over the same person, relentlessly, even if they have been asked numerous times to stop by the victim." <

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That is where the social values line is, when a person asks repeatedly for the pk'er to stop and say they are not having fun being pk'd, their gameplay SHOULD NOT be disrupted because they are FORCED to go into a safe zone until their names are blue again.

Let me give a scenario(all guild names here are fictitious) :

Guild 1234 decides to hold a pk event where the guildies go to a designated area and hold tournaments to strengthen their TW strategies. Well Guild 5678 gets word of it and decides"well they are white name, lets go pk them and show them we are the top dogs." So Guild 5678 teams up and goes and pk's Guild 1234 over and over and forces them to stop their guild event, just for the simple fact that Guild 5678 wants to have fun in the game.

Is that not a violation of our games TOS and Social Values Systems all across the mmo world? I mean surely there are still some people in the mmo world that have social values, im sure of it, I know my guild does, so why should we just bow down to the unruly group that chooses to bend rules and laugh in our faces about it.

I remember our server use to gleam because we were not rules by a dominant force, we were a diverse group of proud guilds that held our heads up high because we were setting an example to the world of mmo's and showing them that WE WILL NOT BE HARASSED ANY LONGER, even if we must take it into our own hands.

It is time people......time to fight for the honor of our servers name and drive out those socially inept, trash of the earth, people who think its ok to use a game to make up for their lack of real life...... well......."life". We will stand up and say "NO its is not ok to random pk in our server no matter if there is a choice or not".

It is our time.......join the Coalition of Guilds against RPK'ing.......sign by replying...

Shylael

Devarsi - Sanctuary

what is all this talk about honor and social values?

first off.. all of this is relative.. you are in a pve server .. don't go white name if you don't like being pk'd .. its very simple

second.. why are you going back to the same spot if the person is just killing you over and over again? to me.. it seems pretty common sense to think.. "hmm.. this dude keeps killing me .. maybe i should go somewhere else and doing something different for a while" .. thats the beauty of this game.. there are TONS of things to occupy your time.. some of them inside safe zone

noone is forcing you into a safe zone.. just don't be stupid enough to go back to the spot where he keeps killing you.. you can town portal/teleport stone/teleport master plenty of places...

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

I have come to the realization that theres a lot of stupid people playing PWI who don't know what the word optional means.

Dragodarknae - Heavens Tear

I agree, if you go white name then you are a target, BUT, the line is drawn when you are followed and pk'd constantly, did you not read my scenario up there?

What happens in that case? You expect us to just not practice for TW just because people think its stupid to go into pk mode and 1 more question......

Why is that everyones only rebuttle "This is pve server, dont go into pk mode and you wont get harassed"......I mean cmon, seriously? Come up with something different for a change plz and stop flaming my post before they close it, thanks and have a nice day

Terniti - Heavens Tear

and i have come to the realization that guilds that enjoy player killing should roll PvP..

simple.. and finished.. the grievers wouldnt last 2 mins in a real pvp enviornment.. which is why they came to pve realms, so they can hide behind the blue name.

(and yes, ive been whitenamed now for over a week, been killed all of twice, i do it by choice. but i want to enjoy the PvE aspect.. and not have ashats running around killing the fun.)

anyone one remember back in the day, a real life kid died, and in WoW they held a ingame funeral for him.. sure enough a entire guild came and pk'd everyone.. if you consider that wrong then you have morals.. if not then your just as no-good as the ashats claiming to be pvp gods in a pve server..

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

Dragodarknae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I agree, if you go white name then you are a target, BUT, the line is drawn when you are followed and pk'd constantly, did you not read my scenario up there?

What happens in that case? You expect us to just not practice for TW just because people think its stupid to go into pk mode and 1 more question......

Why is that everyones only rebuttle "This is pve server, dont go into pk mode and you wont get harassed"......I mean cmon, seriously? Come up with something different for a change plz and stop flaming my post before they close it, thanks and have a nice day

I'd love to see some proof of anyone stalking someone,because i can say with great certainty no one in the faction i'm in have followed anyone across the map and pked them over and over and over,this is all very stupid talking in hypotheticals.

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

Terniti - Heavens Tear wrote: »

and i have come to the realization that guilds that enjoy player killing should roll PvP..

simple.. and finished.. the grievers wouldnt last 2 mins in a real pvp enviornment.. which is why they came to pve realms, so they can hide behind the blue name.

(and yes, ive been whitenamed now for over a week, been killed all of twice, i do it by choice. but i want to enjoy the PvE aspect.. and not have ashats running around killing the fun.)

anyone one remember back in the day, a real life kid died, and in WoW they held a ingame funeral for him.. sure enough a entire guild came and pk'd everyone.. if you consider that wrong then you have morals.. if not then your just as no-good as the ashats claiming to be pvp gods in a pve server..

Terniti - Heavens Tear

seriously? how old are you..

its pointless even talking to people like you.

Dragodarknae - Heavens Tear

Please keep the thread on topic and the cusswords out, this is for guilds to join the coalition not for you guys to flame thanks

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

Terniti - Heavens Tear wrote: »

seriously? how old are you..

its pointless even talking to people like you.

It was proving a point.

It isn't hard to get.

Literature - Harshlands

Terniti - Heavens Tear wrote: »

anyone one remember back in the day, a real life kid died, and in WoW they held a ingame funeral for him.. sure enough a entire guild came and pk'd everyone.. if you consider that wrong then you have morals.. if not then your just as no-good as the ashats claiming to be pvp gods in a pve server..

What the hell? b:angry

Vanyadarknae - Heavens Tear

what is all this talk about honor and social values?

first off.. all of this is relative.. you are in a pve server .. don't go white name if you don't like being pk'd .. its very simple

second.. why are you going back to the same spot if the person is just killing you over and over again? to me.. it seems pretty common sense to think.. "hmm.. this dude keeps killing me .. maybe i should go somewhere else and doing something different for a while" .. thats the beauty of this game.. there are TONS of things to occupy your time.. some of them inside safe zone

noone is forcing you into a safe zone.. just don't be stupid enough to go back to the spot where he keeps killing you.. you can town portal/teleport stone/teleport master plenty of places...

Devarsi,

What you are asking is a player to alter their gaming experience, by moving on so they aren't harassed, pk'd, etc. I and everyone else have a right to be anywhere in the game and not be harassed, because we choose to become a white name. What gives anyone a right to expect a player to move on, because they don't want to be harassed? I understand becoming a white name you can be PK'd, no biggie, BUT harassment and constant killing is a big issue. We all have a right to play the game as anyone else does. What you are failing to realize here is pking people over and over is GRIEF PLAYING not player vs player game play. If I choose to be a white name and help people, oh lets say Krixxix, what gives anyone the right to harass me and pk me over and over, because I happen to be a white name? How about stop trying to justify wrong behavior, and lets do something to correct it.

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

So wheres the proof of people on HT griefing by pking someone over and over and over?No one thought to take some screenies,some fraps footage,you know something that would have backed your ticket claims up as i'm sure you would have sent in a ticket about it?

I've never even seen one single wc saying anything of the sort neither,and i know for a fact if someone was being griefed in that way they would have wced all day long about it because thats how people roll on HT.

My last post,btw i like the kos system XD

Chaotiic - Lost City

You know whats funny? People get camped more on the pve server than the pvp and ill explain why.

PVP server RPK(random pker) flies into an area kills someone then flies on kills someone else flies to new area kills someone else. There are plenty of targets and though camping one person for a few mins may be fun for the RPK staying in one place is dangerous. All the victim has to do is report to their faction members or WC "*** pking at ***" and they will have a lot of high level company.

PVE server RPK flies around searching for white names all they find is blue blue blue blue blue. When they finally do find a white name they cant simply kill and move on as it is so hard to find white names. So they sit and camp this one white name till he logs or turns blue. Very few factions have white names so there is no1 to come back the person up and WC will do nothing as people arent as eager to put down an RPK and gets some fun pvp action in. Result, the RPK has no reason to move on and the poor white name is camped.

You PVE guilds should have a set number of people who always stay white to protect ur lowbies or stop random pk factions. Since it seems to be one faction as well if u really want to get rid of them tell ur whole guild to go white and jus kos them off the server. Just a suggestion from a humble pvp player

Devarsi - Sanctuary

Well personally.. if I am white named.. grinding and someone else white named comes along and started grinding in my area.. I pk them.. and if they come back... I pk them again.. its not because i want to grief them.. its cause i wanna grind solo without anyone around.. now i hardly get the chance at that.. but still if i was in a pvp server i'd do that exact same thing ... you aren't altering your gaming experience.. you are making a wise decision and avoiding a situation in which you are going to get killed..

i mean thats like complaining about a world boss killing you over and over again cause you want to train at its feet.. hey i shouldn't have to alter my gaming experience cause the mobs i need to kill are around a world boss.. but he keeps killing me!!!