Why fly mounts over land mounts?

Literature - Harshlands

Why do people spend so much on the fly mounts that go like 2.50 but a $5 land mount goes 8.00. Isn't that much faster than flying? O_o

avatartuner

hm I really don't know... but I assume because it's safer in the air than on ground?! Also you don't have to walk over cliffs, mountains and all those obstacles on the ground. xD

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear

because as you go up in levels, you are more and more sent on quests that have you flying literally from one end of the map to the other, over and over. so the expendture laid out on a good, fast air mount is more than worth the expense.
that being said, for elves, perhaps its worth the expense to get the fastest land mount you can afford, since it takes so long to level up your flight speed, and buy faster wings. my cleric is only lv20, and though she is flght level 3, it takes too long to get anywhere. so, when i had some extra money, i bought her the deer, and spurred it so she could ride it at so low a level. now she can get places faster than on the wing, and harvest mats with more safety (....those kittys and archers can be pretty hard on her! ^_^)

Literature - Harshlands wrote: »

Why do people spend so much on the fly mounts that go like 2.50 but a $5 land mount goes 8.00. Isn't that much faster than flying? O_o

Literature - Harshlands

Yeah but on my lv 30 stingray, I saw someone on a polar bear. I used my fast speed, which is 2.50 I think, and the person on the land mount left me in the dust easily. Even having to go over or around mountains on a land mount seems like it would be faster than flying.

Is there something I'm missing with land and air mounts? b:bored

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

Literature - Harshlands wrote: »

Yeah but on my lv 30 stingray, I saw someone on a polar bear. I used my fast speed, which is 2.50 I think, and the person on the land mount left me in the dust easily. Even having to go over or around mountains on a land mount seems like it would be faster than flying.

Is there something I'm missing with land and air mounts? b:bored

I can set Auto-Navigate to fly from point A to Point B, walk away from my computer, do something for 20 minutes, come back and I'm where I want to be without having to sit there running through mobs.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I can set Auto-Navigate to fly from point A to Point B, walk away from my computer, do something for 20 minutes, come back and I'm where I want to be without having to sit there running through mobs.

That is what I do as I call it putting the auto pilot on then go afk.You can't do that on land not even swimming.They could speed up the flying though.I would imagine is natural elves wing could be widgeted they would do it.

Zdolnoc - Harshlands

Literature - Harshlands wrote: »

Why do people spend so much on the fly mounts that go like 2.50 but a $5 land mount goes 8.00. Isn't that much faster than flying? O_o

I've found that if you want to move from point A to B without worrying about being attacked to just use your flying mount and go afk.

But you're right about the land mounts being much faster. I can run from Etherblade to the Orchid Temple in about 2 mins compared to flying there in about 4 to 5 mins. It might even be faster than that. I know that when I first started with my Panther that I used it to get all of the necessary waypoints I wanted for early in the game.

Shoesicle - Heavens Tear

Flying mounts dont go 2.5. they go +2.5. flying mounts go the same speed as you would normally on land plus an extra 2.5 (or higher, depending on with flyer)

Enina - Heavens Tear

There are several advantages to aerogear. While land mounts are indeed faster in terms of pure speed, they have to go through mobs, over mountains, and find some way to cross rivers.

When you enter Swim-mode, your mount will disappear after a second or two. I've managed once to get my mount to hop from the water, gaining a few extra seconds of riding, but it's very difficult to achieve and certainly requires for you to pay close attention. Plus, even at full loyalty, a riding mount can "throw you off", aka disappear, if hit by an attack. It also, like your own feet, have a problem going up steep slopes.

Aerogear, however, as has already been pointed out, has a "don't have to pay attention" factor to it. Simply alt-click your world map where you want to go, set the height to 78, press confirm, and go make lunch while you travel. It also avoids most mobs, due to the height you will usually fly in and negate any difficulties from rivers or mountains.

Mounts, in fact, are mostly useful for getting quickly around the larger cities, or reaching specific areas that aren't next to a waypoint.

mbrunestud

for all pve players: i dont get it.

land mounts are good for collecting mats. for all i care i'll just stick w/ white wings and go afk. the only reason i'd get some other wings is if they look really good

Kiwi - Harshlands

pk, catch up to the runners~

PanaBella - Heavens Tear

I like my Aerogear more then my Ride because:
- 1: You can fight while flying (try to get from Archo to Etherblade without - getting knocked of your mount...
2: there are far less enemys at a height of 78 (try to get to 1K Streams as a Lvl 45 on a mount)
- 3: Rides cant swim (try to get to Misfortune on a mount)

Greetings
PB

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear

what we really need for land is for the devs to bring over from EtherSaga the primo version of auto nav. that one makes the one we have here look sick! it takes you, on the ground, from A to B, points of your choosing or presets.
the one downside of using here is that the mobs here can attack as you buzz through them, unlike in EtherSaga. but its still an neat system.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

That is what I do as I call it putting the auto pilot on then go afk.You can't do that on land not even swimming.They could speed up the flying though.I would imagine is natural elves wing could be widgeted they would do it.

Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear

Land Mount Pros|
Fastest Mode of Travel outside of Teleport

Not that expensive for good speed


Land Mount Cons|
Terrain Obsticales get in their way and can cause them to be stuck if you are not paying attention

Cannot Swim/Pass over Water

Can be Attacked while riding one

Require Food

Require a Pet Bag Slot (Or so I am told)

Cannot Fight from its back


Air Mount Pros|
Terrian Obsticales do not effect them at all

Can pass over Water (Those first two can make them ulitmately FASTER than a Land Mount going "Around" such obsticales)

If you set your hight high enough you cannot be attacked by anything

Do not require any form of Maintainance

Do not require a Pet Bag Slot

Fast Speed when using Boost

Can Fight from its back


Flying Mount Cons|
More costly for a good one (and btw mine goes +3 without boosting thank you very much)

Cannot be made available at lower levels

Relatively Slow Speed compared to Land Mounts but not Compared to Walking

Cannot be used in some special places

Boost is a pain to recharge

Big_bro_ - Sanctuary

Shoesicle - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Flying mounts dont go 2.5. they go +2.5. flying mounts go the same speed as you would normally on land plus an extra 2.5 (or higher, depending on with flyer)

Ok so do speed enhancments (aka. tiger form, or equipment) effect how fast you fly?

And why do venos and barbs fly the same speed with quest mounts when their human form walking speeds are different?

Anjiru - Sanctuary

Big_bro_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok so do speed enhancments (aka. tiger form, or equipment) effect how fast you fly?

And why do venos and barbs fly the same speed with quest mounts when their human form walking speeds are different?

Flying speed is something different than ground speed, so movement buffs don't apply while flying.

See this thread for more info: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=220982

Pandaberr - Lost City

My fac lead and I love our flying mounts for the afk flying, but we also love our land mounts for mat collecting. She's pro at avoiding mobs, I like running in straight lines, and am not so good at judging how close I can get to a mob without it aggro'ing me, so my pet disappears out from under me a lot. I don't understand the boosting though, how it works I mean. My aerogear is a maxed Swiftshadow, and I love it. Going faster would be cool though. And land mounts do help chase down a runner. And flying speed isn't affected by Tiger form, as a barb I think our base movement speed is 4.9 m/s and with the level 2 tiger form its 6.6 m/s. If your flying with a wave pacer your flying speed will be 5.4 m/s, and if your flying with maxed aerogear of any kind your flying speed will be 7.9 m/s which is just barely slower than a lvl 1 land mount whose req level is 40, since they have a 8.0 m/s speed I think. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

Edit: those calculations are for barbs only, I don't know the movement speed of other classes, but its whatever your base movement speed is +whatever your flying mounts speed is. Anywhere from +0.50 to +3.00

Also land mounts can be upgraded using spurs, Which makes the level req for level 40 go down to level 20 and increases movement speed by 1.0, does the same for the req level 60 mounts. Oh and leveling the mounts to level 11 from level 1 will also give them an additional 1.0 movement speed. Req level 60 land mounts start with a 9.0 movement speed.

Big_bro_ - Sanctuary

Thank you that is exactly what I was looking forb:victory
It states that skills have no effect on flying and that flying speed for all races is 5 m/sec +your mounts speed,
meaning max flying speed is 8/10 m/sec

Saitada - Sanctuary

Pandaberr - Lost City wrote: »

My fac lead and I love our flying mounts for the afk flying, but we also love our land mounts for mat collecting. She's pro at avoiding mobs, I like running in straight lines, and am not so good at judging how close I can get to a mob without it aggro'ing me, so my pet disappears out from under me a lot. I don't understand the boosting though, how it works I mean. My aerogear is a maxed Swiftshadow, and I love it. Going faster would be cool though. And land mounts do help chase down a runner. And flying speed isn't affected by Tiger form, as a barb I think our base movement speed is 4.9 m/s and with the level 2 tiger form its 6.6 m/s. If your flying with a wave pacer your flying speed will be 5.4 m/s, and if your flying with maxed aerogear of any kind your flying speed will be 7.9 m/s which is just barely slower than a lvl 1 land mount whose req level is 40, since they have a 8.0 m/s speed I think. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

Edit: those calculations are for barbs only, I don't know the movement speed of other classes, but its whatever your base movement speed is +whatever your flying mounts speed is. Anywhere from +0.50 to +3.00

Also land mounts can be upgraded using spurs, Which makes the level req for level 40 go down to level 20 and increases movement speed by 1.0, does the same for the req level 60 mounts. Oh and leveling the mounts to level 11 from level 1 will also give them an additional 1.0 movement speed. Req level 60 land mounts start with a 9.0 movement speed.

Boosting requires chi stones to be dragged and dropped to your aerogear to "fill it" you then open your actions menu ( the E key opens it) and look for the symbol that looks like your regular flying symbol, but with streaks coming off it.



Clicky that and your aerogear will increase it's speed until it's charge is used up.



The Duration I have circled is the number of second my aerogear will fly at +5 speed. When that duration is used up... I will only be able to fly at +3 until I recharge my aerogear with chi stones similiar to the ones shown below (there are a number of different kinds but all that i have seen so far can be used to refill your aerogear).



Hope this helps.

~Saitada

Pandaberr - Lost City

OH! Awesome thanks, it does we have the same mount, except mine says Manufactured by PandaBerr

Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I can set Auto-Navigate to fly from point A to Point B, walk away from my computer, do something for 20 minutes, come back and I'm where I want to be without having to sit there running through mobs.

I do this like ALL the time! lol

Starchief - Sanctuary

Fly mounts get you places, if you set the highest elevation you can go pretty much anywhere. Plus the land mount cant auto path for s!$%. You go afk, come back and your stuck against a cliff with like 40 monsters clawing at your back, and then you die miserably cause you cant just fly up in the air and escape.

Comprende?

silaba

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

Boosting requires chi stones to be dragged and dropped to your aerogear to "fill it" you then open your actions menu ( the E key opens it) and look for the symbol that looks like your regular flying symbol, but with streaks coming off it.



Clicky that and your aerogear will increase it's speed until it's charge is used up.



The Duration I have circled is the number of second my aerogear will fly at +5 speed. When that duration is used up... I will only be able to fly at +3 until I recharge my aerogear with chi stones similiar to the ones shown below (there are a number of different kinds but all that i have seen so far can be used to refill your aerogear).



Hope this helps.

~Saitada

Thank you for sharing this Saitada!

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

One problem with flying mounts is that there are so few choices.
For each race you have 5 cash shop mounts and 1 in-game mount.
That's it. How can you look cool if 20% of people have the exact same mount as you?

Consider the land mounts:
You have 6 choices just with horses alone: Red horse, Black horse, White horse, Silvermane, Violet, Midnight
Also lots of rare mounts to get like: Black raptor, Chomatic elk, Lion, Ancient Boa

Poopspooge - Heavens Tear

What I don't really get is:

1. Why don't the devs allow faster flying with aero gear? It doesn't make sense that you can go faster on the ground than in the air...make the aero gear faster than the ground stuff or at the very least, make them have the same speed.

2. Why the devs don't allow you to buy chi stones from an NPC or from the cash shop. As, already mentioned, it is a real pain to charge up the turbo.

FionaCattail - Sanctuary

what I don't understand is that fly speed is supposed to be +x like +3 for a maxed out flier.. yet.. if a veno for example uses summer sprint, which increases their base speed, it doesn't affect the fliers..

i.e. my regular movement speed is 5.3 with summer sprint, it's 6.6 for 5 mins(as seen on the character screen) but my flier still technically moves at what? 8.3 unless accellerating.. then it's 10.3 which is still slower than the land mounts

if the flier is supposed to be base + 3.0 then if I take a speed potion, or use summer sprint, or whatever (which ups your base speed), the fliers should be affected accordingly, should they not?

Pockums - Heavens Tear

Poopspooge - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What I don't really get is:

1. Why don't the devs allow faster flying with aero gear? It doesn't make sense that you can go faster on the ground than in the air...make the aero gear faster than the ground stuff or at the very least, make them have the same speed.

I think that if they made faster aerogear, it would probably undercut the demand (and value) of land mounts. For instance, if they did make aerogear faster, then why get a land mount that goes at a speed of 10, takes up a pet bag spot, costs stuff to keep it fed, when you could get aerogear that goes 11, doesn't take up a pet bag spot, doesn't cost anything in upkeep (no feeding necessary), can move in 3 dimensions (obstacles/terrain aren't much of a problem), and can fight while using?

FionaCattail - Sanctuary wrote: »

what I don't understand is that fly speed is supposed to be +x like +3 for a maxed out flier.. yet.. if a veno for example uses summer sprint, which increases their base speed, it doesn't affect the fliers..

if the flier is supposed to be base + 3.0 then if I take a speed potion, or use summer sprint, or whatever (which ups your base speed), the fliers should be affected accordingly, should they not?

I think your confusion is that summer sprint and speed potions changes (boosts) your speed, not your base speed (probably the same for speed increasing equips).

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

For aero gear it seems that the +3 operates off of a base speed that is the same for all classes. The common base speed is believed to be 5 so +3 wings travel at 8m/s.

Tamaska - Heavens Tear

Land mounts are faster, no debate about that. Aerogear is better in a lot of situations because you can (from everyones favorite infomercial) SET IT, AND FORGET IT!!!
So land mounts may be faster, but don't forget you have to feed them as well aka spending money. To avoid feeding them you have to get a special item such as the christmas blessing (more money), or buying the special book frmo the cash shop (also more money).
Yes land mounts are faster, but you also have to pay for their speed.

Granrey - Sanctuary

Tamaska - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Land mounts are faster, no debate about that. Aerogear is better in a lot of situations because you can (from everyones favorite infomercial) SET IT, AND FORGET IT!!!
So land mounts may be faster, but don't forget you have to feed them as well aka spending money. To avoid feeding them you have to get a special item such as the christmas blessing (more money), or buying the special book frmo the cash shop (also more money).
Yes land mounts are faster, but you also have to pay for their speed.

How much is the cost of feeding?

Literature - Harshlands

Tamaska - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Land mounts are faster, no debate about that. Aerogear is better in a lot of situations because you can (from everyones favorite infomercial) SET IT, AND FORGET IT!!!
So land mounts may be faster, but don't forget you have to feed them as well aka spending money. To avoid feeding them you have to get a special item such as the christmas blessing (more money), or buying the special book frmo the cash shop (also more money).
Yes land mounts are faster, but you also have to pay for their speed.

Ahh you have to feed land mounts...so thats it. I knew there had to be something lol.

So what do they eat? NPC food or meat/hay?