Cleric pvp build
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By the time you get to 90+ like they said, LA loses its advantage of pdef over robes. By this time you've begun to refine all your eq, and refine bonus from physical def belt and necklace will give more than light armor can hope to provide. It's why it changes. Before refinement, LA does have an appreciable effect in phys def compared to being robe.
And when you count boosts from Vanguard, and possibly Aura, in PvE the actual difference will be minimal. Slight improvement would be considering it under Purged conditions in TW. That is where LA would be a nice build, since it saves wasting refinement orbs early on for low lvl gear.0 -
Armors can also be found with pdef. -1-3% physical damage reduction. Friend has 65% physical defense reduction and 77% magic reduction with robes fully buffed. 65% is.. generally very close to what light armor offers with a lot more magic defense.
You're still telling me that light armor is some ungodly kind of armor when it's not. You can match the stats with robes if you worked hard enough on it, you would need +12 magic jewelery to come close to robes magic defense. Over 2,000 magic defense does not = 7%. You provided proof that you have about 1,000 less magic res if the robe user doesn't wear sleeves.
I still don't know why in the hell you think you can't be 1 hitted. Go ask an archer.0 -
Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »Armors can also be found with pdef. -1-3% physical damage reduction. Friend has 65% physical defense reduction and 77% magic reduction with robes fully buffed. 65% is.. generally very close to what light armor offers with a lot more magic defense.
You're still telling me that light armor is some ungodly kind of armor when it's not. You can match the stats with robes if you worked hard enough on it, you would need +12 magic jewelery to come close to robes magic defense. Over 2,000 magic defense does not = 7%. You provided proof that you have about 1,000 less magic res if the robe user doesn't wear sleeves.
I corrected that mistake. Did you look at the screenshot? What the **** am i still arguing for? Light armour is not "ungodly". I have said countless times that at 90+ robe is better, because it allows for more VIT points.
Is your "friend" level 76? by the time you have 65% pdef with robes you have 6k~ pdef. That won't be at level 76, that'll be at 90+ with all buffs (yes, warrior buff too). And some physical rings that are ridiculously refined. Come to think about it, have your friend post his char screen here, i really wanna see 65% pdef robes.
Great you have a friend whose telling you all this information. I have an entire guild full of 90+, not to mention i have been endgame on another server.
The proof was that raw stats at level 76, LA has -7% mdef and +15% pdef. These are FACTS. At lower levels I think it has its purpose (buys time for plume shell, high crit rate, less cost, can run HH as a solo cleric). At 90+, full vit robe is the better option.
Goodluck matching the pdef that LA gives with robes ^^, and not severely gimping your char in terms of hp or matk.
OMG REALLY? You can one shot an archer with a tempest crit? Does an archer always have a 60% mdef buff on like me? Wow fail. If robes aren't close to a one-shot with a tempest crit, -7% wouldn't make LA either.I still don't know why in the hell you think you can't be 1 hitted. Go ask an archer0 -
what lv... is this?Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »To fix it, then end stats are actually(with just the armors):LA w/ armor: Robe w/ armor: 2553 665 4465 7112 4465 7112 4864 7624 4465 7221 4864 7624
-2647 off the average defense.LA w/mdef jewelery: Robes w/ pdef jewelery: 2553 1468 5215 7112 5215 7112 5614 7624 5215 7112 5614 7624
-1897 off the average defense.
Where in the hell do you get such little losses?
im lv 82 with 7x equip T.T but my phys def is 3.5k full buffed0 -
You're a genius, you know that? Just letting you know.Sorbik - Lost City wrote: »OMG REALLY? You can one shot an archer with a tempest crit? Does an archer always have a 60% mdef buff on like me? Wow fail. If robes aren't close to a one-shot with a tempest crit, -7% wouldn't make LA either.
Those are only hh70 armors(top, bottom, boots, gloves). Why someone would waste their time getting the entire set is beyond me.Shano - Lost City wrote: »what lv... is this?
im lv 82 with 7x equip T.T but my phys def is 3.5k full buffed0 -
XD sorbik... you're talking to PvE-ers ^^0
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Uh, I've read the whole thread so far, and I've got a question. I'm still pretty new to this game, and when I first started to play, I went with light armor. I thought that the added physical defense would outweigh the magical defense since I'm not fighting any monsters that use magic.
Anyway the question is: how far does light armor take a PvP oriented cleric? I understand that someone already mentioned in the thread that at level 90, light armor is rendered useless. Also, does the light armor build have any advantage over a robe build according to PvE? Or vice versa.0 -
light armor practically ruins the best skill a cleric has for pvp.0
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Shano - Lost City wrote: »XD sorbik... you're talking to PvE-ers ^^
Go away pro.Lakai - Harshlands wrote: »light armor practically ruins the best skill a cleric has for pvp.
...and that skill is?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
wrong, did yesterday.. no critSorbik - Lost City wrote: »Seriously stop giving advice. Everything you say is utterly wrong. You can't one shot a LA EP with tempest.
wrong again, light armor is so unbelievably bad for a cleric anyone who is competent enough to be one should know why. You lose WAY more than 10% mdef and if you use mdef accessories you're even worse off than going robes.. 'lets increase my pdef by the slightest amount so I can have less mdef and terrible damage' In terms of soulstones and refining again, robes win. If you go light armor you have to put hp shards or your hp is going to be so bad it doesnt matter if you have 1k more pdef. Where as for robes you will have so many points to distribute into vit and int for more damage. Use pdef stones and hp stones and put more vit to compensate for the lack of hp. Put the rest into int for damage. With light armor your pdef will be mediocre aswell as your mdef. At 9x you can get just as much pdef with robes as light armor with a huge amount of mdef and much better hp. In terms of -90 you should still go robes and find alot of +pdef bonuses for gear and focus on leveling. The only possible reason I could see an ep going light armor is if they want to pk tons before 90 and are poor. There are 2 pdef buffs compared to the 1 mdef buff and you also have plume shell which is pointless with light armor because it reduces physical damage. The pdef with light armor wont help you when u can't kill any heavy's with your terrible damage.As LA you lose about 10% mdef and gain about 25-30% pdef. Assuming you're not bad and use mdef accessories. Diminishing returns, people. I am not talking about raw mdef/pdef values, but rather the percentage defence which they yield.
PLEASE explain how you can get the same amount of pdef with robes as LA. Refines and pdef shards? Guess what, LA can do that too
except you don't have to add pdef shards, now you can add HP shards.
And then they realize you are light armor and use much more powerful skills on you which is easier to kill you with your terrible hp.One of the cool things about being LA is other EPs hitting you with plume shot thinking you're robe (your fashion disguises the armor), and then seeing a return of 500~.
notice how every person that is for LA is from rq or is brainwashed by pandy.0 -
Lakai - Harshlands wrote: »And then they realize you are light armor and use much more powerful skills on you which is easier to kill you with your terrible hp.
I'm LA Cleric and my HP at my lvl is 2100 wich surpasses most 65+ Clerics/Mages/Venos/Archers either hyrbid or pure, how is that terible hp? With the right items you get more than enough hp (i didn't spend more than 250k for what i wear). Ok a real hyrbid (meaning 3vit 6mag 1str every 2 lvls) has about 300 more hp at my lvl with really nice items on though (i make compares with some of my friends)
In other words what you said about hp is totally inaccurate.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Lakai - Harshlands wrote: »wrong, did yesterday.. no crit
wrong again, light armor is so unbelievably bad for a cleric anyone who is competent enough to be one should know why. You lose WAY more than 10% mdef and if you use mdef accessories you're even worse off than going robes.. 'lets increase my pdef by the slightest amount so I can have less mdef and terrible damage' In terms of soulstones and refining again, robes win. If you go light armor you have to put hp shards or your hp is going to be so bad it doesnt matter if you have 1k more pdef. Where as for robes you will have so many points to distribute into vit and int for more damage. Use pdef stones and hp stones and put more vit to compensate for the lack of hp. Put the rest into int for damage. With light armor your pdef will be mediocre aswell as your mdef. At 9x you can get just as much pdef with robes as light armor with a huge amount of mdef and much better hp. In terms of -90 you should still go robes and find alot of +pdef bonuses for gear and focus on leveling. The only possible reason I could see an ep going light armor is if they want to pk tons before 90 and are poor. There are 2 pdef buffs compared to the 1 mdef buff and you also have plume shell which is pointless with light armor because it reduces physical damage. The pdef with light armor wont help you when u can't kill any heavy's with your terrible damage.
And then they realize you are light armor and use much more powerful skills on you which is easier to kill you with your terrible hp.
notice how every person that is for LA is from rq or is brainwashed by pandy.
You one shot a terrible LA ep with no HP shards, nice. At 82 I will have 3.2k hp. I've never had a tempest crit me for more than 2.5k. Then again, robes have ****ty crit rate. Plume shot -> sleep -> debuff -> razor feathers is much easier for a LA ep to do vs robe than it is for a robe to crit me with tempest.
Don't assume things. Provide facts like I have. At 70, you lose 7% mdef. You gain 15% pdef. Look at the facts I have provided. (And yes, you do use mdef accessories when you are LA.. wtf?) Besides, LA lets you take advantage of using magical rings. When you refine them you get +mdef.
Your damage isn't gimped by LA. You are either LA or full vit. Same amount of magic points, therefore same damage. Actually, LA has the 10% critical rate (=.
I have said countless times at 90+ full vit robe is better because of diminishing returns. I am LA until then because i love tanking werebeasts/WRs without plume shield (really helps in group PvP when you are needed for spike damage). Prior to 90 with robes you can't do that.
EPs will never be able to efficiently 1 vs 1 heavies. Get over it.
PS. Pandora prefers vit robe builds.0 -
stay pure.. and there.. ^^ no problema0
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Must be some **** ep's you are fighting, my tempest hit for 2.2k+ at 6x wo/ crit.Sorbik - Lost City wrote: »You one shot a terrible LA ep with no HP shards, nice. At 82 I will have 3.2k hp. I've never had a tempest crit me for more than 2.5k.
a whole 4% more for terrible damageThen again, robes have ****ty crit rate.Plume shot -> sleep -> debuff -> razor feathers is much easier for a LA ep to do vs robe than it is for a robe to crit me with tempest.
you said when an ep hits you for 500 aka you are implying that you arent ganking them. a good ep who hits another ep for 500 with plume shot should, with ease, kill the ep. plume barrier shows its strength with robes here again.
this may be facts for you but each persons gear is different. in my opinion mdef accesories with la is completely ****. a robe with decent pdef ammys and pdef shards will have almost equal pdef and more mdef.Don't assume things. Provide facts like I have. At 70, you lose 7% mdef. You gain 15% pdef. Look at the facts I have provided. (And yes, you do use mdef accessories when you are LA.. wtf?) Besides, LA lets you take advantage of using magical rings. When you refine them you get +mdef.
you arent either full vit or la... you can manage fine compromising between full mag and full vit.Your damage isn't gimped by LA. You are either LA or full vit. Same amount of magic points, therefore same damage. Actually, LA has the 10% critical rate (=.
At 90 you will have 4% more crit than robes and insanely lower damage.
this is why i said LA are for poor people who want to pvp tons before 90. If you really pk enough pre 9x you should use some coins to make a good robe build and instead of just tank things you could actually kill things.I have said countless times at 90+ full vit robe is better because of diminishing returns. I am LA until then because i love tanking werebeasts/WRs without plume shield (really helps in group PvP when you are needed for spike damage). Prior to 90 with robes you can't do that.EPs will never be able to efficiently 1 vs 1 heavies. Get over it.
for light armor you basically remove wrs and wbs from ever being able to 1v1 them. robes you can with a properly timed sleep and the odd crit.. at 89 wr's are alot easier but barbs are almost impossible0 -
wrong... i tank Bms with no probEPs will never be able to efficiently 1 vs 1 heavies. Get over it.0 -
im avarageb:surrenderGo away pro.0 -
Yes you can tank WRs fine with plume shell. But you will never be able to kill them (unless anti stun pots). Therefore you can never 1 vs 1 heavies efficiently.*
Lakai hitting 2.2k on light armour clerics at 6x... could be a number of reasons
1) its 6x so nobody cares about gear yet
2) they dont have mdef buff on
3) they dont have mdef accessories
You think LA don't use mdef accesories? That's laughable. Especially since there are TWO +pdef buffs (WR and EP) and only ONE +mdef buffs. This comment alone shows your naivety and lack of experience.
Either way, as levels go up the % resistance becomes greater than the damage you do. You're 6x right now, you have not experienced the game to its fullest yet. I am 8x now and 9x before, and yes if you are robes you are full vit.
Its stupid really, arguing with people who have theories but have not empirically tested them out. use the calculator http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/ and figure out the real percentages. Robe with pdef accessories AND pdef shards will not have the same pdef as LA unless they are very good shards/4 socket on everything. A HH70 LA chest has 525 pdef. a HH70 Robe chest has 136 pdef. Do the math -- you won't get the same pdef. Besides -- you put all pdef gems and you will lack the HP that LA does (You add extra mag, remember?). Because LA imbues with HP shards.
When a robe EP uses plume shell vs me i just avoid them until its up (sleep, kite, whatever). Then resume the combo. Again, plume shell runs out. The 10 second gap is very long. This is what LA strives to achieve -- a remedy for that gap.
Once AGAIN, at 90+ full vit robe is better because of diminishing returns. You will get a few more % pdef, but not as much as lower levels because the values are higher. Therefore it is better to get that extra vit.
Also, LA and robe do not have a mere 4% crit difference. This is because of the gear you choose when you are these respective builds. You do not stack crit weapons and rings (yaksa, hh80 ring, etc) when you are robe. You get the endless ambiguity for the pdef and -channelling, and +hp rings. The difference actually is very big.
*I assume the WRs are GOOD and know how to stunlock.0 -
Sorbik - Lost City wrote: »Yes you can tank WRs fine with plume shell. But you will never be able to kill them (unless anti stun pots). Therefore you can never 1 vs 1 heavies efficiently.*
Lakai hitting 2.2k on light armour clerics at 6x... could be a number of reasons
1) its 6x so nobody cares about gear yet
2) they dont have mdef buff on
3) they dont have mdef accessories
You think LA don't use mdef accesories? That's laughable. Especially since there are TWO +pdef buffs (WR and EP) and only ONE +mdef buffs. This comment alone shows your naivety and lack of experience.
Either way, as levels go up the % resistance becomes greater than the damage you do. You're 6x right now, you have not experienced the game to its fullest yet. I am 8x now and 9x before, and yes if you are robes you are full vit.
Its stupid really, arguing with people who have theories but have not empirically tested them out. use the calculator http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/ and figure out the real percentages. Robe with pdef accessories AND pdef shards will not have the same pdef as LA unless they are very good shards/4 socket on everything. A HH70 LA chest has 525 pdef. a HH70 Robe chest has 136 pdef. Do the math -- you won't get the same pdef. Besides -- you put all pdef gems and you will lack the HP that LA does (You add extra mag, remember?). Because LA imbues with HP shards.
When a robe EP uses plume shell vs me i just avoid them until its up (sleep, kite, whatever). Then resume the combo. Again, plume shell runs out. The 10 second gap is very long. This is what LA strives to achieve -- a remedy for that gap.
Once AGAIN, at 90+ full vit robe is better because of diminishing returns. You will get a few more % pdef, but not as much as lower levels because the values are higher. Therefore it is better to get that extra vit.
Also, LA and robe do not have a mere 4% crit difference. This is because of the gear you choose when you are these respective builds. You do not stack crit weapons and rings (yaksa, hh80 ring, etc) when you are robe. You get the endless ambiguity for the pdef and -channelling, and +hp rings. The difference actually is very big.
*I assume the WRs are GOOD and know how to stunlock.
i have 2 9x characters, with light armor your pdef is much lower than your mdef and id assume the reason for you going light is to maximize your pdef. using mdef ammys just means you have a bit more pdef than robes and less mdef. and you are completely wrong about crit. a robe ep doesnt have to get -chan, why should they? crit is far superior and if the la has the exact same weapon and rings la only has 4% more crit. you are reinforcing what im saying about robes. they are superior at 9x and they are also superior for any level below. If you aren't going to pvp 24/7, go robes and level fast. Or if you do pvp 24/7 spend money on your gear and pvp. Light armor is just a cheap way to pvp till 9x and it certaintly isnt the best. lol at hh70 armor. and pdef pharms work wonders between plume shields0 -
Your argument that light armor can't be 1 hitted is null. This is my friend:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c19133a7579f8340
My friend is a level 79 archer. He, of course, wears light armor.
This is me:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=239777a9b61ecb3f
I probably have the worst gear of any level 77 cleric I know of.
I hit 2,179 with my level 1 tempest. Non crit.
Now, my level 1 tempest is fairly weak to what it could be at my level.
Level 1 tempest:
Metal damage equal to your base magic damage plus 220% of weapon damage plus 5343.8. Has a 86% chance to cause a 6.2 second reduction in speed of 60%.
Level 7 tempest:
Metal damage equal to your base magic damage plus 340% of weapon damage plus 7898.0. Has a 92% chance to cause a 7.4 second reduction in speed of 60%.
That isn't a 1 hit?0 -
archers dont have mdef buffs like EPs do. That 2.1k exponentially diminishes I have ~6.5k resistance as LA. He has 4k. I have said this many times. Also he only has 2 sockets in everything -_-
Devoted, the HH70 was just to provide a raw estimate and comparison between arcane and LA. The purpose of LA isnt to get a massive amount of pdef. It's to get enough so that when your plume dies you can still assist for spike damage when a target is called without being vulnerable. The vit points you have prior to 90 arent enough to allow robes to tank patk without plume. (A big part of this is the lack of a HH90 set which gives a LOT of hp)
Once again, I am not arguing that LA is superior or inferior to robes. At 90+ full vit robe is the better choice hands down. At 8x LA provides an adequate alternative. Robes cannot tank WR and WB when plume dies, but LA can.
And yes, EPs do use mdef jewelery with LA. If you wanna be bad and use pdef be my guest. Maybe that's where forp gets this nonsense 1 shotting LA EPs from. Just not possible to anyone who knows what they're doing. Especially if their matk rings are refined.
LA actually stops you from being one shot by both tempest and a sharpen tooth/aim low.0 -
Sorbik - Lost City wrote: »LA actually stops you from being one shot by both tempest and a sharpen tooth/aim low.
you can die in 1 shot to tempest as robes? i had no idea.0 -
comprehension skills are amazing.
I was implying that you arent left vulnerable to tempest because of a mere -7% mdef decrease, and at the same time not be a one shot to archer crits.0 -
you implied that it prevents you from being one hit by tempest better than other armors. i've never known my tempest to hit high enough to 1 hit an arcane.0
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Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »Your argument that light armor can't be 1 hitted is null. This is my friend:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c19133a7579f8340
My friend is a level 79 archer. He, of course, wears light armor.
This is me:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=239777a9b61ecb3f
I probably have the worst gear of any level 77 cleric I know of.
I hit 2,179 with my level 1 tempest. Non crit.
Now, my level 1 tempest is fairly weak to what it could be at my level.
Level 1 tempest:
Metal damage equal to your base magic damage plus 220% of weapon damage plus 5343.8. Has a 86% chance to cause a 6.2 second reduction in speed of 60%.
Level 7 tempest:
Metal damage equal to your base magic damage plus 340% of weapon damage plus 7898.0. Has a 92% chance to cause a 7.4 second reduction in speed of 60%.
That isn't a 1 hit?
Well...no. Look at your own results. You hit your friend with a level 1 Tempest ( Lord knows how considering how long it takes...-channeling figured in even ). All things being perfect ( if he had *no* mDef ) you'd do about base magic + 220% of weapon + ~5300. Instead you did 2,179.
We also can't tell/don't know if he had an mDef buff or not. ( I'm assuming yes )
Then add in the possibility that your "friend" might have a Barb buff going.
Then add in whether you are dueling or in TW ( all damage reduced to 25% )
Too many simple conditions could mess up a "1 shot"Mark 12:29-37
_WillFire_ 8x Combat Medic0 -
in our duel(we did it for this), i hit 2,179 with my mdef buff. without it only added 100~200 damage, i didn't write that down. he didn't have a barb buff, that's now always available like a clerics buff.
even if he did have a barbs buff, it would still be damn close to a 1 hit if i crit'd.
my estimate is, at level 7, my tempest would hit him for roughly 2,900~3,200 max spike.0 -
bleh. rely on tempest in pvp = fail.. before you can catch tempest you're down0
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Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »in our duel(we did it for this), i hit 2,179 with my mdef buff. without it only added 100~200 damage, i didn't write that down. he didn't have a barb buff, that's now always available like a clerics buff.
even if he did have a barbs buff, it would still be damn close to a 1 hit if i crit'd.
my estimate is, at level 7, my tempest would hit him for roughly 2,900~3,200 max spike.
So it's a "maybe" with conditions as I said. Personally I've never seen anyone use Tempest on a single person. It's always groups...but hey...it could happen. If I have time for Tempest I have time for spark + WT.Mark 12:29-37
_WillFire_ 8x Combat Medic0 -
bleh.. one hit me with tempest plz0
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i stil want to keep my arcane gear so
i used some points in vit , searched for good phys def and vit gear , i now have 3.1k hp and 1. a bit phys def at lvl 80 this without buffs so i'm fine in TW and still can do some dmg etcthanks to forsaken for this awesome sig b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Hybrid cleric is a good pvp build0
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