question about character speed under different conditions...

xxxdsmer
xxxdsmer Posts: 1 Arc User
edited March 2009 in General Discussion
i was wondering about character's speeds in different conditions...
and which character has the potential to fly the fastest, walk the fastest, (swimming is obviously the barbarian with its +50% swim speed skill)

does the archer's wings of protection's speed increase also increase flight speed?

the BMs speed boost skill, does it affect flight speed?

the barb's tiger form, does it affect flight speed?

and the veno's ____ spirit or sprint (cant recall)... does it affect flight speed?

pretty much, which class can fly the fastest? (for the question lets just say all classes are lv50+ with the fastest aerogear, to take out the variable of different aerogears)

and do skills that boost speed affect fly speed or is it always just your character's base speed + the aerogear bonus, even if a skill increases the speed in the character screen (for example my archer's wings of protection shows 6.0m/s speed in my character screen and it lasts 60 seconds... would blood mist wings = a 7m/s flight speed when that speed bonus is going on or would bloodmist wings just equal 6.2m/s regardless of wings of protection's speed boost)

or do speed boost skills (like wings of protection) only affect boots on ground speed?
i'm pro all classes, and against none in particular..
but the age old QQ about venos is just that. OLD.
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    All classes fly at the same speed (assuming they have the same speed aerocraft), because skills have no effect on flight speed. The only one that has an effect on flight speed, is the winged elf skill "Flight mastery". There are NO other skills that will make you fly faster.
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  • Daizou - Sanctuary
    Daizou - Sanctuary Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    ummm
    bm's hands down run fastest cuz of cloud sprint
    but flying...
    well idk..
    but i do know that non of the speed skills work for aerogear
    BUT
    BM's get a skill called the Will Of Bud-something that increases flight speed
  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Will of the Bodhisatva is ground only.
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  • Daizou - Sanctuary
    Daizou - Sanctuary Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    really?
    darn
    i thought it was aerogear
    then elves win
    haha
  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    No, every class is the same. Flight mastery only affects the starter wings, and if you max that out, you'll still be slower than the best cash shop aerogear.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    andracil wrote: »
    All classes fly at the same speed (assuming they have the same speed aerocraft), because skills have no effect on flight speed. The only one that has an effect on flight speed, is the winged elf skill "Flight mastery". There are NO other skills that will make you fly faster.

    My understanding on flight speed is that the gear increases the base movement speed such that if the class moves faster normally than other classes it will fly faster as well, and vice versa.
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    No, flight speed is completely separate from ground speed. As I said, there is nothing that will change it, unless you boost the aerocraft itself, or the elf starter wings, which is an exception in itself.
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  • Daizou - Sanctuary
    Daizou - Sanctuary Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    well that's CASH SHOP everything is better when you pay some mullah
  • Zdolnoc - Sanctuary
    Zdolnoc - Sanctuary Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    andracil wrote: »
    No, flight speed is completely separate from ground speed. As I said, there is nothing that will chance it, unless you boost the aerocraft itself, or the elf starter wings, which is an exception in itself.
    HA HA!! But you have forgotten about Distance Shrink!! Of course, that only boosts you forward so far then it's back to slow regular flight speed.
  • FionaCattail - Sanctuary
    FionaCattail - Sanctuary Posts: 405 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    but isn't flight speed shown as +3/+5? if they are all the same, then what is being +'d? I mean, if I have gear on that increases my base speed to 6.6 and then I get on my flyer.. would that be base speed +3?

    otherwise, there's no point in putting the + in the description at all.. because it's 0+3/0+5 at max speed (aka 3/5)..
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    EVERY character has a base speed of 5.0 as far as I know. The +3 and such is added to that, and that's your flying speed. Nothing else will influence it (again, except for Flight Mastery on starter wings).
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  • keyshey
    keyshey Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    hmmm, i thought every character has different base speed

    like my veno's base speed is faster than my barb's
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    When walking yes, but it's different when you're flying.
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    In terms of racial passives I'd like untamed best. There is NOTHING making you swim faster. There's cash shop stuff for flying, there's apoth pots for running, but everyone except untamed swim at the same slow unchangeable snail speed. So yea, untamed have the best racial passive ._.
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  • Kealani - Heavens Tear
    Kealani - Heavens Tear Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    One thing I've noticed that DOES increase flight speed besides using wind widgets is those items you can craft through apothecary. The name escapes me atm,but the one that increases speed by 70% does make a noticable difference.

    Granted,it's only for 15 seconds and the cool down makes it impossible to spam them.
  • xxxdsmer
    xxxdsmer Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    thanks for all the input :)

    but like someone started figuring earlier.. whats the +X.XX on the aerogear added to?

    cause my cleric's speed in the character screen under normal conditions is 4.8 and my archer is 5.2.


    wouldnt happen to be a high lvl cleric and archer out there with the same +X.XX aerogear (on the same server) that would care to test it out is there? (or any 2 characters with a noticeable difference in speed shown on the character screen under normal humanoid form conditions, and with the same +X.XX aerogear)
    i'm pro all classes, and against none in particular..
    but the age old QQ about venos is just that. OLD.
    QQ'd about a nix lately? check out this thread n tell me who's "OP" lol..
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Like I said. Base flying speed is 5.0, that's if it's +0.00. With +0.50, that'll become 5.50, etc.
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  • Torinchibi - Lost City
    Torinchibi - Lost City Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    andracil wrote: »
    EVERY character has a base speed of 5.0 as far as I know. The +3 and such is added to that, and that's your flying speed. Nothing else will influence it (again, except for Flight Mastery on starter wings).

    Actually, EA have base speed of 5.2, EP 4.8, those are the two extremes I believe, but nothing besides EA has a speed of 5.2 base. Thus archers technically fly a little faster than anyone else. Not enough to be completely noticeable in a fight, but if you fly from 1k to dreamweaver, I am sure an archer would get there before anyone else. Unless base flying speed is different from base walking speed of course (which it probably is). Elves should fly faster than other classes imo, it's bull how one of our passives doesn't even work when we are a race that supposedly has a natural flying ability.
  • Anjiru - Sanctuary
    Anjiru - Sanctuary Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Torinchibi - Lost City wrote: »
    Actually, EA have base speed of 5.2, EP 4.8, those are the two extremes I believe, but nothing besides EA has a speed of 5.2 base. Thus archers technically fly a little faster than anyone else. Not enough to be completely noticeable in a fight, but if you fly from 1k to dreamweaver, I am sure an archer would get there before anyone else. Unless base flying speed is different from base walking speed of course (which it might be).

    I think she was talking about flying speed there. Ground and air speed are indeed two seperate things.
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  • colezz
    colezz Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    it must to add normal speed.. bc my archer have same speed fly thing than my frend who have wizard.. im little bit faster than she.. bout have +3normal speed fly.. not much better speed.. but little.. so archer 5.2+3= 8.2 and wi 4.8+3=7.8
    its not much different.. but when fly over the map it see..
  • MissEbil - Heavens Tear
    MissEbil - Heavens Tear Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Ok, I have a theory, or rather a question.
    I have a maxed swiftshadow on my veno, and my bf's barb has one that's not touched. I fly a lot faster when he's in humanoid form, but only just a tiny bit faster when he's in tiger form.
    So?
    Also, whether it's psychological or not, I've won races with summer sprint on against a cleric with maxed Watcher of the Skies. Explain please.
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    colezz wrote: »
    it must to add normal speed.. bc my archer have same speed fly thing than my frend who have wizard.. im little bit faster than she.. bout have +3normal speed fly.. not much better speed.. but little.. so archer 5.2+3= 8.2 and wi 4.8+3=7.8
    its not much different.. but when fly over the map it see..

    your flying speed is a static number when you purchase the cash shop aerogear.

    My g/f has maxxed cash shop Wings, I have maxxed cash shop Manta.

    She flies at the exact same speed as me. Literally NO DIFFERENCE over ranged flight (thousand streams to Dreamweaver port). We left at the same time and arrived at the same time.

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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    MissEbil - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Also, whether it's psychological or not, I've won races with summer sprint on against a cleric with maxed Watcher of the Skies. Explain please.

    I have not seen your races, so I do not know how far you flew nor how fast you accelerated and I do not know your flying gears' speed. I have no chance of explaining your experience accurately.

    But maybe fox form influences flying speed? I do not know.

    However, I do know of lots of things which do not influence my own flying speed, including gear, my own speed boosting skill and violet wind dew.
  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Also factor whether or not you are off the PW screen or not. I do believe if you are not on the PW screen, you fly slower. I myself believe this is true because I was on Swiftwind (2.5) and flew past someone on a lvl 30 sword. Went off screen to surf the web for awhile, and when I came back, he was past me. So after waiting awhile on screen, I passed him again.
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Yes, if the PWI window isn't the active window, flying speed is halved.
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  • Sibyl - Heavens Tear
    Sibyl - Heavens Tear Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I've noticed that when flying summer sprint does affect my speed. For example- I start flying and am autopathing from Archo to Dreamweaver. On my character page, it shows my speed as 5.1 m/sec (I believe), however, when I activate summer sprint my speed is shown to increase to 6.4 m/sec. Though, this is just the number shown on my character page, and I do notice a speed boost, though it may be a psychological effect from the flowers. (I fly on a basic skymanta shade, no upgrades).
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Someone ran a test a while ago to test out summer sprint and tiger form. Turns out they didn't change flying speed whatsoever. The flower effect from summer sprint makes it look as if you're going faster, but you're not.
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  • DevilCrys - Heavens Tear
    DevilCrys - Heavens Tear Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Your all stupid wow ....... READ WHAT THE MOD SAID AND STOP ARGUEING........... wow you guys are dumb.
  • cybluerr
    cybluerr Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    On a side note... is the swimming mastery skill EVER coming back for the Venos?
  • Ratinax - Sanctuary
    Ratinax - Sanctuary Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I still find it lame Barbarians can swim faster than the other classes all around T_T and run faster than foxes instead of the same speed. FAAAAIL D:
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