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Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »It takes an idiot to know an idiot b:shutupb:chuckle
an idiot couldn't recognize an **** from a hole in the ground. go solo mantavip with your lv1 purify.0 -
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Bad forp! *rolls up newspaper and whacks you*We're MysticAve my name is not Dave
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go roleplay with a ****.0
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Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »an idiot couldn't recognize an **** from a hole in the ground. go solo mantavip with your lv1 purify.Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »go roleplay with a ****.
okay I will *starts roleplaying with forp*We're MysticAve my name is not Dave
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Went to check, no way you can gather more then 6 if you are veeerrrryyy lucky. To many ppl, to many possible KSers.
Tho i wish you could, would be nice to try.b:dirty0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »You dont have to call other idiots, i know what you meant.
Is it possible to survive? Yes it is, if you could round up 12-18 mobs eventually you could kill them. And yes you would die allot before it works.
18 being the top where you probably die. 12 is lets say more real.
Now that you cant gather that many its another story.
Few things people seem to not be paying attention to:
1. Sanctuary was a new server I joined when it started. By the time I did petali, only 5 people were higher enough lvl on the server to be there. And I was the only cleric set to kill them. Every once in a while someone would return for their 3rd orchid quest, but usually was pretty calm. Near the end had 1 or 2 people at a time that would grab 2 spawns each. So unless someone was lvl 70ish in early November on Sanctuary, they likely weren't there. Mostly was Nefarious people around.
2. Unless a game mechanic changed since I left, poison dmg number pops up as one large number every 3 seconds. That was something that was consistant on all the poison mobs lvl 70+ that I've seen. Last time being Dec 22.
3. The large numbers of groups is very exacting on what you need. To kill 18+ safely you must be able to tempest for half or more of the mobs health with the orchid petali. This kills off the sac assault ones before they can cast their 3rd poison. Since you have a buffer for that, the 1 less cast allows for 1 or 2 extra mobs in worst case scenario. You also have to change spell order sometimes based off of how fast the damage builds up. Again, this is only if you are trying for max amount of mobs at a time. Drop 2 and coast if you want.
4. So has there been a final verdict on what is impossible? Seems like the main two are you can't gather that many from A. too much dmg, B. not enough spawns, and C. too many people there. Well for me, I never had to care about C. I was usually the first person to hit every high lvl mob since I aim for 6 lvls higher than me. Crowding on a new server wasn't an issue, though it might start to be since I am now almost 3 months behind. B I can prove easily enough when the area doesn't have to many people or after a reset. I passed by twice on my travel daily, once it was about deserted and the other time packed. A can be disproved when I get back to grinding and use the dmg of my current solo AoE group.
5. The angels were mostly for testing out what works. Over-purify and you lose heals and end up dieing. Under-purify and poison stack kills you dead the 4th time it hits. Your main combo is 2 IH, 1 RF, and 1 Purify. You can and will need to change the order around at times, depending on mob specials. Once I got that down, it was very difficult to die. Just don't get greedy.
6. The reason to maximize solo AoE to have as many kills as possible is because there is a static cost essentially for luring the different mobs. Even with 6.8+ speed, it will take a while to gather them up. The main thing is killing them is more or less just killing one. With the AoE, you reduce the time to kill all of them down to the time to kill one of them. And that doesn't change no matter how many you grab. So each one you grab over the amount to equal normal grinding is that much of a boost in xp by a large amount. That's why I spent so many angels experimenting. I gained a hell of a lot more xp and money than it cost, and I still use the same tactics now. Good investment all in all.0 -
you keep writing these walls of text but never prove how it's possible to even get so many when there isn't even that many spawns.0
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Sylvae if you read my posts i dont say you cant.
You can, only if you gather up that many mobs, which is impossible now cause there arnt that many spawns.
And like Forp said, i want to see it.
Cause if you could do that, and if staff changed the mob spawn numbers, well thats one more suggestion for them.b:dirty0 -
Wow, I found out how to find the mobs you were missing. It's this thing we call counting. There were 3 others there, and I still did a quick grab and gank in 2 minutes of 16 mobs there. It's like knowledge and skill has use in this game. Go figure.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6541/20090307172727.png
EDIT: Just read Nelae's post, and there has always been 20 plus in that area. It isn't a change, it's been like that since November at least.0 -
that's 16. i never said there wasn't 16, i said there wasn't as many as you claimed. go pull 18-22, yano, like you said you did.0
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Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »there is no spawn, anywhere, near city of the lost with 12 orchid petali. i've looked. screens of it please? i can find one spot with maybe 8 max, but they're too far spread to gather them all.
Do you really want to be that petty after what your entire arguement in the beginning was about? It was already disproved, because you don't understand how to do the solo AoE that I use. First you claim there can't even be 12, it's impossible. I grab 16 on a quick lark while others are farming the same area, and now it must be 2 extra to even count? If I get the screeny of 18+, then you have to promise not to nitpick about damage difference next, because this seems like some desperate ego-saving going on right now. Say that 18+ is the last thing that's the issue on whether your cleric knowledge is best used for toilet paper decoration, and I'll get you that 18+ pic
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i know very well how to solo grind poison mobs, though i don't grind(sheer lack of time to grind), but 12 is seemingly impossible with 1,600 hp. you said yourself the 3rd tick was 1,800, and you purify on the 4th.
and yeah, whatever, take a pic with 22.0 -
Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »i know very well how to solo grind poison mobs, though i don't grind(sheer lack of time to grind), but 12 is seemingly impossible with 1,600 hp. you said yourself the 3rd tick was 1,800, and you purify on the 4th.
and yeah, whatever, take a pic with 22.
You seriously don't read what you even quote. Unbelievable. When I started I was doing 12, I had 1600 health. As I posted. Then later on, I got my health gear and full health shard for 2000 health, as I posted. Guess which one had the 18-20 mobs and large amount of dmg.
And again, that is IF you let the ticks build up that large. You can have a round of heal spam purify spam if needed with a higher level purify. I was able to survive with the 4 skill combo, so that is what I did.
EDIT: Done wasting time with constantly changing demands, if I want that I'll play the game "I win" with my nephew.
Razor Feathers is a must skill for doing AoE grinding. Mostly because of the chi free cost and the relatively fast cooldown. Siren's Kiss can also work, but the close range req and long cooldown kinda hurt it. Razor Feathers also has a good length casting so that you can heal and purify well enough without falling behind in healing like Tempest forces you to be.
Also it is the highest dmg physical spike we have. Very useful for 1 hitting robe types who don't have phys def gem boosts yet, whether from waiting for the next lvl mold or just saving up for something else. Casting it into a mass of people when sparked is always a cause for an evil little smile.0 -
O_o when i was there i was lucky to see 4-6 alive to pull.
So its possible, if no one else is there ^_^, cant wait to try it out.
>>Sylvae you dont have to get angry on me cause i couldnt see that many to pull ;pb:dirty0 -
i never questioned the usefulness of razor feather did i? i use it all the time.0
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Forp
SHUT THE HELL UP.
Just go find a hole somewhere else and shutup. You don't believe it's possible, havne't tried near as I can tell, and are just being a loser. Spend less time posting **** and more time leveling. you might get a clue.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »Forp
SHUT THE HELL UP.
Just go find a hole somewhere else and shutup. You don't believe it's possible, havne't tried near as I can tell, and are just being a loser. Spend less time posting **** and more time leveling. you might get a clue.
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Wow, tyvm for a great and very interesting discussion. I cannot wait to attempt this. Seeing that youtube video was a real eye-opener!
Forp dude, come back in a week or two when you're not attached to the matter and read the entire thread, you'll probably shake your head and laugh at yourself.0 -
forp a couple weeks ago just about every wizard hated me, becuase I flamed the forums kinda like what you're doing and when you think about it, it's not the sort of reputation you want.
calm down and respect other peoples opinions, then state your own, I still have to work on that.
never call someone a liar, because their build, gear whatever may be diffrent to you I can solo mantavip, yet you say I can't well doesnt bother me I don't care what you think.We're MysticAve my name is not Dave
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Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »never call someone a liar, because their build, gear whatever may be diffrent to you I can solo mantavip, yet you say I can't well doesnt bother me I don't care what you think.
yeah, you soloed mantavip hitting once, healing 4 times, hitting again, then healing 4 more times. he would have healed before you got the chance to hit again.
i'm not flaming, and calling someone a liar for claiming to pull 22 mobs in a spot with less than 22 spawns is.. the truth. is the truth flaming? maybe the raw truth confuses you.0 -
Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »yeah, you soloed mantavip hitting once, healing 4 times, hitting again, then healing 4 more times. he would have healed before you got the chance to hit again.
Forp...I've seen people solo MantaVip. He's a Mage Boss. It takes time and eats charm but it's definately doable. If you have a secondary healer ( no longer solo ) it's actually a pretty quick fight.Mark 12:29-37
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unfortunately, that wasn't our argument. if it were duo, i would have no question as to him doing mantavip, this: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8570/20090220045532rv6.png
my mistake, he said 5 heals, not 4. mysticlifex just likes to lie. he told people on the forums that he soloed mantavip, yet when i ask him to ingame, he tells me he has never done it. go figure.0 -
I solo'd Mantavip at lvl 61 ( or 62, whatever the minimum requirement it is for that quest). The fight took 10 minutes or more. I solo'd chientien in tt1-1 single mode with 1 star white armor and no TT weapon at lvl 60. It's very easy to solo magic bosses as a cleric using the cyclone, ironheart, cyclone, ironheart combo.
As for AoE grinding, it's very easy to pull 20+ mobs. Everytime you use ironheart while pulling, your aggro table resets so you're not limited as to how many you can pull. There are lots of petalis mobs outside Lost Village; Forp, your screenshot of one location of petalis mob is only 1/3 of the complete path to pulling those mobs correctly.
Here are some screenshots of me killing some lvl 96 spiders. I might have pulled 30 of them. Hard to tell since they stack up on each other easily when it comes to long pulls. Takes about 1 min+ to pull all of those on +3.00 wings. My combo after the mobs are rounded up is Purify, Tempest, Purify, Ironheart, Purify, Razor Feather, Purify, Ironheart, Purify, Razor Feather, Purify, clean up Inc Life + Inc Def mobs.
Here's what it looks like when you are getting ready to round them up:
Here's what it looks like after they are rounded up by doing a half-circle around them:
After Tempest and using first Razor Feather:
Loots!
Edit: noticed some of the links are the same, fixing it now. Ok fixed now.0 -
Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »unfortunately, that wasn't our argument. if it were duo, i would have no question as to him doing mantavip, this: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8570/20090220045532rv6.png
my mistake, he said 5 heals, not 4. mysticlifex just likes to lie. he told people on the forums that he soloed mantavip, yet when i ask him to ingame, he tells me he has never done it. go figure.
Forps...why are you ignoring the first part of my reply? Solo'ing MantaVip is doable. You should be able to do it yourself. A secondary healer just makes it easier. All mage bosses are like this. For example...FB 59 is all mage bosses. A cleric can solo it if they don't care about charm.Mark 12:29-37
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No forp not once did I say I did 4 heals 1 attack, I said that in game beacause you are so thick to believe anything 4 stacks - 1600+hp per tick heal why would I do that forp use common sence,
I can solo mantavip you silly fool, I knew I could without doing it because my ironheart far out healed mantas attacked so forp stop being in denial, It's not amusing get a life and stop picking a fight everywhere.
oh and is forp STILL going on about this? - lmfao -We're MysticAve my name is not Dave
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i tried pulling more petali again, i managed 16. there were 2 more spawns, but attempting to gather them would lose aggro on some of my previously pulled. she claimed 22 mobs with 1,800 hp. even with my armor(hh70 set, hp gems socketed), i take over 600 damage by 2nd tick. i'm also 3 levels higher.
and, lol, i know it's possible to pull more with the more hp you have. cheaper showed me that.0 -
_WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Forps...why are you ignoring the first part of my reply? Solo'ing MantaVip is doable. You should be able to do it yourself. A secondary healer just makes it easier. All mage bosses are like this. For example...FB 59 is all mage bosses. A cleric can solo it if they don't care about charm.
he has level 1 purify, that's why i question it.
@mystic: shut up, you told me that because that's what you wanted me to believe you did. you've never done it.0 -
oh forp this happens in every thread you make a point - your point ends up having no truth behind and you look for another reason give it up,
First - oh mantavip will out regen your damage with his heals - LMAO
Second - Wait what was the second reason? I don't care enough to remember
Theird - Wait what was the third reason? I don't care enough to remember.
now it's the purify well face it in the 12 second cool down you will be, stacking IB and attacking forp you will not be
Purify - IB - attack - purify - IB- attack, think about it how long would that take?
No forp I'm not gonna call you an idiot, good day.
(just for the record im not gonna bother replying the whatever stupid post you make - no point -)We're MysticAve my name is not Dave
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Aww forpy someone took your candy? Seriously whats so hard about soloing manta? He hits 200s normally, a single ironheart can absorb that; damage does go up with the debuff he casts once in a blue moon yes, but purify takes care of that instantly. And yeah, I would think lvl1 purify is enough for him (that's what? 12 sec cd if memory serves? he doesn't debuff nearly as often). Hell you could outheal the damage even while under the debuff, but that would make it painfully long because it would leave next to no room for attacking. He didn't say he soloed krimson or jewel or came face to face with an ufo. It's mantavip. **** easy for any arcane cleric capable of pushing 3 buttons. I mean a monkey could do it.b:dirty0
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god you're arrogant. i never changed my reasoning, i said from the beginning til now the exact same thing.Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »oh forp this happens in every thread you make a point - your point ends up having no truth behind and you look for another reason give it up,
you told me specifically: "heal 5 times and hit one time" - mantavip will regen faster than you do damage. even if that tactic worked, you'll be spending hours doing it.Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »First - oh mantavip will out regen your damage with his heals - LMAO
you told me, in game, that without the debuff it hits 500 damage. debuffed, 900(i know that's untrue, but if that's what you believe, whatever). you're poor, so i know your armor lacked. your 1,500 hp wont take on those big bad 900s for 12 seconds, now will they?Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »now it's the purify well face it in the 12 second cool down you will be, stacking IB and attacking forp you will not be
i never said that was the tactic. i also forgot to factor in that he uses manadrain(not a light one, either), along with his debuff. 12 seconds to spam iron heart and attack - you wont even have mp when that finishes.[/QUOTE]Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »Purify - IB - attack - purify - IB- attack, think about it how long would that take?
kMysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »(just for the record im not gonna bother replying the whatever stupid post you make - no point -)
look at the picture i posted: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8570/20090220045532rv6.pngAww forpy someone took your candy? Seriously whats so hard about soloing manta? He hits 200s normally, a single ironheart can absorb that;
it hits him for 500, lol
he cast it quite often, and, big shocker here, what if he casted it again after you purified? waiting 12 seconds while that big boy hit 900s(seriously, 900s?) wont do well.damage does go up with the debuff he casts once in a blue moon yes, but purify takes care of that instantly.
he does debuff more often, and level 1 wont suffice.And yeah, I would think lvl1 purify is enough for him (that's what? 12 sec cd if memory serves? he doesn't debuff nearly as often).
he does the 5 heal-1 attack plan, it worked for him some how?Hell you could outheal the damage even while under the debuff, but that would make it painfully long because it would leave next to no room for attacking.
he lacks the intellect of a swine, and the way he personally attacked my wife was simply uncalled for(over msn). he argues with everybody because his opinion is always exactly opposite of what is right, lying to make up for it, then lying to try and cover those lies in the future. it's how he works.He didn't say he soloed krimson or jewel or came face to face with an ufo. It's mantavip. **** easy for any arcane cleric capable of pushing 3 buttons. I mean a monkey could do it.0
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