can barbs defeat wizards easily

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

this is a question i have wondered about becuase i seem to be stronger on the wizards. even though they are supposed to be able to kill me easily when they are like 10-20 plus lvls higher then me. but they do about the same amount of damage as when i am dueling a BM, archer or the other types i fight the only problem i have had so far is with venos they can hurt me alot quicker then i can hurt them because of their pet attacking me while they cast the Venomous scarabs. my health with the 14% extra hp buff gives me 2013-2323 hp points (i forget which) but they get me down to like 600+hp is that normal?

Cooki - Heavens Tear

when a venomancer goes for you... forget about there pet. just go straight for them

hmm wizards suck
anyone can kill them.

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

i know to avoid the pet because venos can just heal them but when i target the venos them self they seem to higher physical defense without the (deflect buff forgot what it is called) like when i hit a BM i do like 78-111 damage without skills with skills i do like 140-180 without a crit when i hit a veno i do like 60-95 damage without skilss and with them i do 98-124 i think taht is odd

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i know to avoid the pet because venos can just heal them but when i target the venos them self they seem to higher physical defense without the (deflect buff forgot what it is called) like when i hit a BM i do like 78-111 damage without skills with skills i do like 140-180 without a crit when i hit a veno i do like 60-95 damage without skilss and with them i do 98-124 i think taht is odd

That makes no sense, you obviously fought with much highter lvl Veno(s) than you, that's why you did less dmg on them than on BMs. Also about Wizards, you probably fought with a n00b, Wizards are suppose to be taking out heavy armors. But to beat a melee, you also have to keep a distance, if the Wizard you fought was just staying on one spot hitting buttons then he sucked big time. (unless he was lower lvl than you...)

Tawarwaith - Sanctuary

From my experience on duels with mages and veno's of about the same lvl (taking into account our difference in build Right Ganiju):
- Mages: Last time I duelled a mage of about my lvl, I wasn't buffed with beaskings inspiration, but I was in tigerform, I won but rather close. I must have had about 200 hp left. In all other duels with mages, I must say that on equal lvl it was always a close victory or defeat. They usually do 1 big hit, 1 gush, run. Their long casting spells really hurt, but they can't only cast them. Maybe the mage you duelled only used the "little" spells. Their powerfull skill outdamage a veno big time.
- Veno's: I never had problems with them. They usually sent a pet and start running. The pet does hardly any damage and I can easily rush by because I'm always in tiger, going directly after the veno. It must be taken into account that none of those veno's had pking based pets. A veno with a scorpion with slow and fleshrealm should be more difficult.

On the bramble guard issue: I have no idea what could explain that.

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

That makes no sense, you obviously fought with much highter lvl Veno(s) than you, that's why you did less dmg on them than on BMs. Also about Wizards, you probably fought with a n00b, Wizards are suppose to be taking out heavy armors. But to beat a melee, you also have to keep a distance, if the Wizard you fought was just staying on one spot hitting buttons then he sucked big time. (unless he was lower lvl than you...)

well i was fighting a lvl 55 veno i got her to half health so yeah... but the wizard i fought was lvl 47 and he did run away from me. the way i do big damage is that i open up with beast king stomp and then penetrate armor then i do mightly slam which i never stun with. but i have their health usually over 1/4 of it gone with the opener then i start using the effect skills and make them even more weak then i finish them with regular melee it takes alot of my mana to do this but in the end i win i have only lost once to a lvl 70 wizard and i got him to around 1/4 of his health gone by the time he hit me with a spell that did 1738 damage.

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

and gratz on the lvl i may be a bit late but gratz Tawarwaith

VirginHunter - Sanctuary

I like to dueling a lot and didnt fight many wizards but if they are arcane they are easy to beat. Sometimes they even cant hit me because i interrupt all their attacks. I dont remember when i was dueling veno tho but last time i was dueling heavy armor veno and had a lot of problem in human form. Finally i got method and beat her at tiger form. If you are fighting veno and you are strong enough, you could just use slam to knock back pet at least for few secs and finish that veno.

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

VirginHunter - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like to dueling a lot and didnt fight many wizards but if they are arcane they are easy to beat. Sometimes they even cant hit me because i interrupt all their attacks. I dont remember when i was dueling veno tho but last time i was dueling heavy armor veno and had a lot of problem in human form. Finally i got method and beat her at tiger form. If you are fighting veno and you are strong enough, you could just use slam to knock back pet at least for few secs and finish that veno.

well here is the problem...the pets barely hurt me at all...its the skills like the venomous scarabs and the things like that they do like 400+ damage against me except for when i am fighting someone close to my lvl then they do 100 damage with one skill and the pets do like 34 damage on me

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »

well i was fighting a lvl 55 veno i got her to half health so yeah... but the wizard i fought was lvl 47 and he did run away from me. the way i do big damage is that i open up with beast king stomp and then penetrate armor then i do mightly slam which i never stun with. but i have their health usually over 1/4 of it gone with the opener then i start using the effect skills and make them even more weak then i finish them with regular melee it takes alot of my mana to do this but in the end i win i have only lost once to a lvl 70 wizard and i got him to around 1/4 of his health gone by the time he hit me with a spell that did 1738 damage.

You are lvl 29 and you beat lvl 40+ or even managed to get 1/4 of their health? Why don't you start the story from the beginning and stick to the truth? Unless you have some highter lvl char and you just use that avatar...

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

You are lvl 29 and you beat lvl 40+ or even managed to get 1/4 of their health? Why don't you start the story from the beginning and stick to the truth? Unless you have some highter lvl char and you just use that avatar...

okay not to be mean but here is the truth IT HAPPENED! get over it geez... i hate it when people think that i lie. and if you haven't noticed there is such a thing as Mighty Slam look it up...when it is lvl 4 it gives you 24% chance of stunning...i said i didn't stun on the lvl 47. i did stun on the lvl 70 and that is after i used my combo twice and used over 200 mana and stunned him yes STUNNED him twice. and don't even say anything about the veno she used the freaking two headed dog that are lvl 44+ to start out with so know your freaking facts before you judge things.

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

and let me guess now you are going to be like "haha he is making excuses that means he is lying" but here is the thing do i need to remember EVERY freaking little detail? then i would be able to write books about playing for just an hour

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »

okay not to be mean but here is the truth IT HAPPENED! get over it geez... i hate it when people think that i lie. and if you haven't noticed there is such a thing as Mighty Slam look it up...when it is lvl 4 it gives you 24% chance of stunning...i said i didn't stun on the lvl 47. i did stun on the lvl 70 and that is after i used my combo twice and used over 200 mana and stunned him yes STUNNED him twice. and don't even say anything about the veno she used the freaking two headed dog that are lvl 44+ to start out with so know your freaking facts before you judge things.

Funny, you probably fought some really big time n00bs or they just went lightly on you.... Right now I do about 2.1k dmg on mobs with regular spells (no spark or buff), in duels dmg is reduced by 75% so that means about 500 dmg on equal lvl casters (reffering to my last duel that was with a Light Armored Veno), more than 600 on heavy armors, what's your hp now? about 1800 no?(I might be saying too much) considering the lvl difference you're 2 hits for me... I really don't see how you could pull even one hit on someone like that, let alone all this combo you mentioned above...

Do I need t mention that I'm a Light Armor Cleric? (LA Clerics have lower attack than robed Clerics)

Tsukinoko - Lost City

i **** bad all wiz and clerics of my lvl i have little more troubles with venos cuase run and his **** pet kill but still win i have good fights with barbs and bm im pvp build thou

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

Tsukinoko - Lost City wrote: »

i **** bad all wiz and clerics of my lvl i have little more troubles with venos cuase run and his **** pet kill but still win i have good fights with barbs and bm im pvp build thou

I beat Barbs of highter lvl without even keeping distance... a mage would say: I beat the **** out of Barbs in 4 hits, an archer would say: I can beat a Barb quite easily, they just don't last enough to bring me down and so on....

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

Funny, you probably fought some really big time n00bs or they just went lightly on you.... Right now I do about 2.1k dmg on mobs with regular spells (no spark or buff), in duels dmg is reduced by 75% so that means about 500 dmg on equal lvl casters (reffering to my last duel that was with a Light Armored Veno), more than 600 on heavy armors, what's your hp now? about 1800 no?(I might be saying too much) considering the lvl difference you're 2 hits for me... I really don't see how you could pull even one hit on someone like that, let alone all this combo you mentioned above...

Do I need t mention that I'm a Light Armor Cleric? (LA Clerics have lower attack than robed Clerics)

actually its 2031hp and btw a wizard named _Shelby_ dueled me all she did was 232 damage at most without the crit that she did that made dealed 634 damage when i hit her with a regular melee attack it did 117 damage on her when i use my skills which i have the combo slots filled completely so its a none stop fast hitting skill "wave". and just to let you know...i hate fighting clerics in duels not only do they heal themselves they also cast extremely quickly and they can kill me before i get to them. and sorry that it may seem but thats why i kind of got mad earlier. sorry about that. and btw you should go on the HT server and watch me duel then i can show you what i can do in them... i usually duel in Etherblade (thats where my brother likes to duel with Evoken and all) i am usually on around 5:30-8 pm...and heck if you want to i will duel you with my cleric that i haven't used in like...3 weeks or so...

Tsukinoko - Lost City

im talking my experience actually i almost never lost to anyone of my lvl just couple of times and yes come with ur wiz, cleric, to lost city and we can see , or anyone in lost city lvl 54 to duel i will be glad to make u demostration

Kostu - Heavens Tear

ok all Ganiju DOES NOT HAVE A ORTHER CHAR this is is only one iam his rl brother all he does is have a barb i watched him beat the wiz and all i have a lvl 70 bm a lvl 63 bm and a lvl 80 bm so far wiz suck and clircs and venos to bms and barbs from the duels i seen u just need to no how to build a char right if build right they can own if not they just suck donkey balls thats all i have to say

fuzzles

The only possible explanation is that you are dueling people who are really really very extremely terribly, horrendously bad at dueling.

Anything with a 20 level advantage should whoop anything else, regardless of class.

The only possible exception to this rule that I can think of is a lower level heavy armour veno with bramble hood beating dumb BMs.

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

wow...geez bro...way to kick every ones arses right in one motion lol

Kostu - Heavens Tear

LMFAO venos beat bms yea right venos is like candy to me all u got to do in stun wit max roar run for a bit roar agin and barmebl hood be gone by then then they screwed god learn to no better stuff

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

well fuzzles guess what...it doesn't really work that way..life isn't fair...deal with it!

Tsukinoko - Lost City

ok anyone who beats me in duel 1 v 1 lost city in my lvl gets 50k who wants who earn some cash?

fuzzles

Kostu - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LMFAO venos beat bms yea right venos is like candy to me all u got to do in stun wit max roar run for a bit roar agin and barmebl hood be gone by then then they screwed god learn to no better stuff

If you're beating them, then obviously you're not a dumb BM. Although admittedly I am getting rather mixed messages from you.

Read my post again.. there's a reason I used the adjective I did.

And I confess, I have absolutely no idea how your post has anything whatsoever to do with mine, Ganiju. I never said life was fair, I never implied that life was fair.. my post had nothing to do with fairness and/or life in any way, shape or form.

Apparently I stumbled into the illiteracy thread.

Hazardus - Heavens Tear

Well in my limited experience of dueling. I had the toughest time with venos.

Against the cleric (as with any arcane class), I started out in tiger form and ran to them to cast alclarity to cancel their casting. Arcanes can kill you at range, but they are in trouble if you can get close (tigerform helps). After that,a combination of fleshream and normal attacks (if they are purifying, they arent attacking). Cleric died easy enough, got me to about 50% HP though.

Against a wizard, again tigerform, alclarity then went humanoid and used stun. The wizard got a shot off at me, and I can say I would have died had he got in another. And they say low level wizzies suck. I can see they die easy, but man they can hurt.

Against a veno, I ran straight to her ignoring her pet. She just turned fox and started running away from me. I kept following and for a while it was just a chase (would keep running out of melee range). The pet kept attacking me, and I kept ignoring it. One surfimpact helped slow her down a bit, and I got a few fleshreams in, but I think she used soul transfer or something to survive. Finally got her with another surf impact and then fleshream. Had I gone after her pet, I would've been dead in no time from her magical attacks.

All duels were with ppl within +/- 5 levels of me at the time.

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Against a wizard, again tigerform, alclarity then went humanoid and used stun. The wizard got a shot off at me, and I can say I would have died had he got in another. And they say low level wizzies suck. I can see they die easy, but man they can hurt.

In Tiger form your m-defence sucks, that's why that wiz did so much dmg on you. If you wanna survive a caster then you have to make sure that you won't get hit while in tiger form. Well unless you're against some Cleric that casts Plume Shots on you lol (plume shot is a spell that deals physical dmg)

Hazardus - Heavens Tear

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

In Tiger form your m-defence sucks, that's why that wiz did so much dmg on you. If you wanna survive a caster then you have to make sure that you won't get hit while in tiger form. Well unless you're against some Cleric that casts Plume Shots on you lol (plume shot is a spell that deals physical dmg)

Well my m-def sux in human and tigerform (its the same). Tigerform only adds Hp and Pdef. I was in humanform when I got hit. Tigerform alclarity canceled the initial casting.
You're right about going humanoid against casters though. The stun skill helps out quite a bit. So I just use the tiger to get close and cancel initial cast. Then humanoid stun and attacks.

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

fuzzles wrote: »

If you're beating them, then obviously you're not a dumb BM. Although admittedly I am getting rather mixed messages from you.

Read my post again.. there's a reason I used the adjective I did.

And I confess, I have absolutely no idea how your post has anything whatsoever to do with mine, Ganiju. I never said life was fair, I never implied that life was fair.. my post had nothing to do with fairness and/or life in any way, shape or form.

Apparently I stumbled into the illiteracy thread.

i know you weren't implying that life was fair i was saying that because you said that a class that is lvl 20+ should own the other classes i said it to that because there is some people that don't know how to play correctly and with the insult about this thread being illiterate...i am going to let that slide because my Kostu doesn't have an excellent reading lvl and he obviously has a hard time spelling but i am used to it and you should get used to it too because not everyone is able to spell correctly.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

Barbarians cannot be underestimated, they are weak but they have the fastest channeling spells in the game.

Wizards, as well as clerics or Robed Venos have horrible phy defence and that makes barbarians hit hard.

As for - can a barbarian beat a wizard easily - answer NO - after level 60 their sutura and distance shrink makes it harder on all meele classes.

Kamikiri - Lost City

b:surrender

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Barbarians cannot be underestimated, they are weak but they have the fastest channeling spells in the game.

Wizards, as well as clerics or Robed Venos have horrible phy defence and that makes barbarians hit hard.

As for - can a barbarian beat a wizard easily - answer NO - after level 60 their sutura and distance shrink makes it harder on all meele classes.

b:chuckle You are joking right? I duel Wizards at my level, you can use Invoke the spirit to reduce all damage by 90%. Run up in tiger, Stun, with zerk axes bash that wizard into oblivion. To call barbs weak is fool hearted, they bloom late but gain more to make up for early on weaknesses.
Hp is more then enough to take quite a few hits from your slow cast time. b:surrender

Ganiju - Heavens Tear

Kamikiri - Lost City wrote: »

b:surrender

b:chuckle You are joking right? I duel Wizards at my level, you can use Invoke the spirit to reduce all damage by 90%. Run up in tiger, Stun, with zerk axes bash that wizard into oblivion. To call barbs weak is fool hearted, they bloom late but gain more to make up for early on weaknesses.
Hp is more then enough to take quite a few hits from your slow cast time. b:surrender

yep...because if a wiz does 300 damage on me he has to hit that 12 times on me but by the 5th hit they are dead