A Veno's Headache

Evga - Sanctuary

people consider veno the easiest class to play... i wish it was true for high lvl... i mean sure you can just lvl and lvl and lvl and don't worry about anything else with the nice arcane armor. But once you start thinking of pvp... a veno head will spin like no tomorrow... unlike other class there is usually only one kind of armor to go for with the exception of wizard as they can either go light or arcane... but veno can go all 3. Most class have different builds but those are base on stat points. Something that can be change ever so easily... but to change from arcane to heavy or light... it is a major headache... there is so much consideration you need to put into... do you have enough stats? how are you going to play that type of build once you get it, how much damage you lose, should you forgo channeling for heavy?

i mean all in all, it's a major mess. i've spend hours and hours compare light with arcane, and i switch once, meaning i brought all the light armor stuff, restat, gem my armor and just to find out after one week i hate it. now the new problem i'm going through is should i go heavy... ROFL... then i find out that heavy armor equals not having enough stat points and the hunt for item that give nice stats start... as if it's going to be easy... oh not to mention if i decide to go to heavy... i think my cost will be about 10-15mil for my lvl right now... can somebody tell me why veno are so easy :P

oh this is just my rant for being annoyed by how hard is it to play veno at high lvl... why didn't i just play archer or bm... such nice class :P

Niamy - Sanctuary

NOOOOOOOOOO Evga you has released the beast... another 99999999 pages of veno VS anti-venos b:cry

b:bye

PS: (Satiada will take +500 post in this thread b:laugh)

p3nnstate

So your saying having so many options is such a bad thing? Right...

PvP problems? Buy a phnx...done.

Daerys - Sanctuary

p3nnstate wrote: »

So your saying having so many options is such a bad thing? Right...

PvP problems? Buy a phnx...done.

Let the replies completely devoid of thought begin!

Saitada - Sanctuary

Niamy - Sanctuary wrote: »

NOOOOOOOOOO Evga you has released the beast... another 99999999 pages of veno VS anti-venos b:cry

b:bye

PS: (Satiada will take +500 post in this thread b:laugh)

No. Only one. I proved my points about Veno's in all the other threads. The QQ whiners that will (and already have) started on this thread just can't be reasoned with. "Veno's are soo easy" Yet none have ever ran one to high level.

No need to hash over it all again with them.

~Saitada

p3nnstate

Devoid of thought? So when your trying to create a project for a contruction company and you need to prove to your boss that your design is the one they want you to bid on. Your going to give him the full 50+ pages of all stages of development and expect them to read everything. What world do you live in?

You give them an accurate abstract that does not exceed 5 pages to get the idea accross, fast, simple, and accurate.

My response gets to the point. Devoid of thought? I would say you need to think more about other peoples response.

See now you made me write more then I had to. Also fyi, I have no side in this arguement, I simple show the error of veno haters/non haters ways. Its something I do each night before bed since I don't play PW due to the wait on new servers.

Jacim - Heavens Tear

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

No. Only one. I proved my points about Veno's in all the other threads. The QQ whiners that will (and already have) started on this thread just can't be reasoned with. "Veno's are soo easy" Yet none have ever ran one to high level.

No need to hash over it all again with them.

~Saitada

71 is high level? I thought 9x was high level.

Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear

p3nnstate wrote: »

So your saying having so many options is such a bad thing? Right...

PvP problems? Buy a phnx...done.

Here we go again... arggg

StellarAshes - Heavens Tear

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

oh this is just my rant for being annoyed by how hard is it to play veno at high lvl... why didn't i just play archer or bm... such nice class :P

Because all classes, as far as I know, have their own headaches.

Maiya - Lost City

Fweee, another Veno topic on the forums to ignore.

Niamy - Sanctuary

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

No. Only one. I proved my points about Veno's in all the other threads. The QQ whiners that will (and already have) started on this thread just can't be reasoned with. "Veno's are soo easy" Yet none have ever ran one to high level.

No need to hash over it all again with them.

~Saitada

jajajaj Yup but some ppl are hard to understand... well the day just they made a veno they will see just is not all flowers =P
(btw, if u grind like post u should be lvl100++ b:laugh j/k /jk)

b:bye

Saitada - Sanctuary

Niamy - Sanctuary wrote: »

jajajaj Yup but some ppl are hard to understand... well the day just they made a veno they will see just is not all flowers =P
(btw, if u grind like post u should be lvl100++ b:laugh j/k /jk)

b:bye

lol I die a lot. sometimes deliberatly to hold my level down. I'm not ready to go balls out with this character yet. I still haven't got the gear I am aiming for :-).

~S

Niamy - Sanctuary

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol I die a lot. sometimes deliberatly to hold my level down. I'm not ready to go balls out with this character yet. I still haven't got the gear I am aiming for :-).

~S

awwwwwwwww sister!!!!!!b:cry
(i dont use GA bcause i broke if i use them xD more than 8 times a day >_>)

b:bye

Gasoline - Lost City

Most classes dont have the luxury of beeing able to use 3 types of armor so venos are kinda blessed being able to use armor that suits their style of playing.

But anyway ...i say robe all the way to lvl 90 so u lvl fast. Its the best build for lvling and making money. Than at 90+ u can start thinking about light or heavy for pvp purpose.

If you actively pvp allready u really have to choose light. Otherwise archers can 2-3 shoot you. But for pve your pet heals get worse, kill mobs slower = lvl slower. U have less mp regen, less hp and u take more dmg if you grind magic mobs. You make alot less money basically.

And forget about heavy before lvl 90+ if youre a caster and wanna use magic weapon for your lvl. And even at 90 u will need to hunt loads of stuff that gives points like HH90 gold cape and accessories that gives stat points to carry heavy.

Evga - Sanctuary

you know if most classes don't have the ability to choose multiple armor it makes their decision easier :P when you got choice you really need to weight the pro and con but you also need to remember every bad choice will lead you to lose about 10mil :P

and well, i have a pheonix. but i'm talking about improving my survival when it's 3v1 situation or 2v1 i mean if i can survive or even win, i makes me a better player. but the problem is i'm not sure which way to go. heavy is nice. since you get the bonus defense. but then for robe you get the heavy -channeling which also epically pawn. so it's just hard sometimes to make the right decision.

and it's getting annoying.

BlackyBetty - Sanctuary

try pure magic build with phy deff/hp adds b:chuckle

oh and...

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

... every bad choice will lead you to lose about 10mil :P

10 mil are 5 cubs for you :P

thanduril

hm....insanely tough question....light...or heavy or arcane.....
just go nude.
venos were anyway designed to be played in their skivvies.

when your nude, males chars drop money on you just to see you hop and swim.
with this money you buy direct xp quest books and wedding candies to level up without having to kill even a single mob.
run hop and dance more untill you saved enough money for a bikini to complement your nude armour.
make more money with bikini enhanced nude armour.
buy a rare pet just for the sake of it being your eye candy...since you havent killed a single mob till now and you dont know how to start.

for PvP, go nude.
males chars will wanna cuddle you instead of kill you.
female chars will ragequit with jealousy and so....its still a case of not kill you.
enemy nude venos will start a cat fight(not dog fight...not bat fight...c`mon improvise) where you might end up with broken nail tips and slight har loss. but again its a case of not kill you.

and i DO NOT mean the option of wearing some kinda disguisting armour and picking the option to wear no clothes. thats so fake! everyone likes them only natural.

>.> might wanna post veno oriented threads in the respective class sub forum. its not cool to throw another veno thread in the general section with a spanky new title.

Kaenor - Heavens Tear

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

i mean all in all, it's a major mess. i've spend hours and hours compare light with arcane, and i switch once, meaning i brought all the light armor stuff, restat, gem my armor and just to find out after one week i hate it. now the new problem i'm going through is should i go heavy... ROFL... then i find out that heavy armor equals not having enough stat points and the hunt for item that give nice stats start... as if it's going to be easy... oh not to mention if i decide to go to heavy... i think my cost will be about 10-15mil for my lvl right now... can somebody tell me why veno are so easy :P

oh this is just my rant for being annoyed by how hard is it to play veno at high lvl... why didn't i just play archer or bm... such nice class :P

OMG, poor venos.
Next time try to fail harder (no offense pls, just l2p your class).

Leolf - Heavens Tear

ROFL why does everyone take PvP so seriously? You get no exp, and it's not even necessary on most servers. The purpose of an MMO is generally to level up, so why are all the venos complaining about their sucky PvP? You can't be beat at PvE! That's really the only sense of balance in the whole class.

Javon - Lost City

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

oh this is just my rant for being annoyed by how hard is it to play veno at high lvl... why didn't i just play archer or bm... such nice class :P

1. don't complain about 3 armor choices , Bm have 4 weapon choices and if u **** that up and wanna change it can take an **** load of money to fix because u have to restat AND buy a new set of skills ><

MistresShade - Sanctuary

p3nnstate wrote: »

PvP problems? Buy a phnx...done.

You're an idiot, a nix fixes very little, it just adds to how fast you can kill people. Does a nix let you live longer? No. With a nix can an arcane veno still be one shotted? Yes. If nothing else the nix is like putting a giant sign over your head saying "Kill me first".

The solution really is, either lots of refinement and hp shards, or LA.

Evga - Sanctuary

BlackyBetty - Sanctuary wrote: »

try pure magic build with phy deff/hp adds b:chuckle

oh and...



10 mil are 5 cubs for you :P

not any more, i realize that the 2mil cub are cause by the inflation and the price now is dropping like crazy. it should stabilize about 1 mil per cub is my guess. and also i get about 2 cubs a week so probably need about 4 weeks? long time :P

Javon - Lost City wrote: »

1. don't complain about 3 armor choices , Bm have 4 weapon choices and if u **** that up and wanna change it can take an **** load of money to fix because u have to restat AND buy a new set of skills ><

you see the difference is that once you change weapon you can change back easily. all you have to do is probably spend about 2mil on restat and the weapon you want. so the overall cost is kinda less compare to a veno who has to obtain a COMPLETELY new armor set for a different build. you can't use old armor or even jewelery cause of the lack of stats added.

but for bm, the way i see it if you build say blade you could easily use all 4 weapons maybe with a lvl lower. the only difference if you have to buy all the skill. but once you do it's easy to switch back and forth in fact i'm making a bm right now that i intend to master all 4 weapon cause there are goodness is all 4 sides.

Genesisxxx - Sanctuary

Alright!!! I have encountered some of the same problems. Until level 57 I was a Pure Melee Veno, PMV for short obviously. I wielded a poleaxe and wore heavy armor. It was a great build for PvE and very decent in PvP. I have recently converted over to being a melee/magic hybrid though. I still have my heavy armor on, but wield a lower class magic sword. I find this highly effective, especially if you have your skills up to date. You have enough defense that if you go into fox form you can tank pretty much anything. And you have enough magic behind you to deal masses of damage in PvP. The only downside to it IS the lack of magic defense. I've been told that yeah, light armor is the best armor for PvP combat.

My final opinion is: Go with heavy armor. Don't keep it up to your level if you want. Use the level 60 armors and use a kickass magic sword for your level. Keep more magic points and just slack a bit in the armor department. Just a few options I see available really.


Venomancers are definately not the easiest class to play, but probably one of the hardest because we do have so many choices. It's always hard for me to choose between going fox or using my magic. Reguardless though, venomancers can be pure powerhouses and can play on many fields compared to other classes.

And that's my view on everything!


PS: I see you around Sanctuary sometimes Evga. Haha.

tatakairyu

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

you see the difference is that once you change weapon you can change back easily. all you have to do is probably spend about 2mil on restat and the weapon you want. so the overall cost is kinda less compare to a veno who has to obtain a COMPLETELY new armor set for a different build. you can't use old armor or even jewelery cause of the lack of stats added.

but for bm, the way i see it if you build say blade you could easily use all 4 weapons maybe with a lvl lower. the only difference if you have to buy all the skill. but once you do it's easy to switch back and forth in fact i'm making a bm right now that i intend to master all 4 weapon cause there are goodness is all 4 sides.

How is it easy for a bm to switch weapons?Oh, your solution for a bm switching weapons is by learning skills and you won't have a problem after that. Do tell me how we're supposed to learn these skills without enough spirit?

only way you can use all 4 weapons efficiently is if you get to a high level which your veno isn't even currently at. Of course you can gimp yourself real bad by using all 4 at lower levels, whatever floats your boat I guess. But the average person doesn't like to gimp themselves.

Before you post about how easy it is for a bm to switch weapon builds, go look at their skills first.

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Wow, I'm not even a BM and I know how uneducated your post was. Venos have 3 armor choices but 2 skill trees. BMs have 4 weapon choices and FOUR SKILL TREES. It's not as simple as restating and buying a new weapon. When YOU **** up, you restat and buy a new armor set. When BMs **** up, they restat, buy a new weapon set, AND have to spend more to buy their other skills. Let me remind you that you CANT SELL SKILLS like you can your weapon and armor!

Simplicity -> Archers. We are least flexible in skills and build
Complexity -> BMs. They have the most builds/skills to consider

Your whining about your indecisiveness fails.

Javon - Lost City

at 66 i switched from swords to axes. i had to figure up the cost to get all the skills to a decent lv , the cost of a new hh weapon , and a good balance of stats. if i didn't have 2 mil spirit saved up id be really gimped. tbh i still have some skill that are low for my lv . Also its dam near impossible to use all for 4 weapons till like 90 ( or lower?) because fist req 2 dex per lv and axes need 3 str per lv. That leaves hardly ANY room for vit (outside your EQ) and at low lvs your gonna die fast / be gimped if you don't have the money for skills , charms, refining, and the weapons. so it would kill your pockets and SP until 85-90 +.

Aesthor - Heavens Tear

Oh yea, I forgot about SP. You can't buy those unless you mass scarlet fruits. +1 thing to worry about if you're changing weapons as a BM. Hmm...veno decisions starting to look not so annoying.....

As an archer I run out of coins before I run out of SP cuz the archery skill tree is so linear -.-

I think a veno's only headache should be the amount of people calling them overpowered when they're so underpowered.

XPapewaiox - Lost City

1. Problems PvM? Buy herc.

2. Problems PvP? Buy nix.

Problems with equipment? Grind until herc, then HH. Laugh at massive profits and making parties in HH obsolete. God forbid you have 2-3 venos in a party with you, HH becomes a joke then. I'm not sure I've even DONE a HH run without a veno. I thought they were sort of required.

Least it's nice you venos need clerics once in a while for heals or buffs (AoE mobs, mistakes, etc.)

Saitada - Sanctuary

XPapewaiox - Lost City wrote: »

1. Problems PvM? Buy herc.

2. Problems PvP? Buy nix.

Problems with equipment? Grind until herc, then HH. Laugh at massive profits and making parties in HH obsolete. God forbid you have 2-3 venos in a party with you, HH becomes a joke then. I'm not sure I've even DONE a HH run without a veno. I thought they were sort of required.

Least it's nice you venos need clerics once in a while for heals or buffs (AoE mobs, mistakes, etc.)

I can only agree with part of this. And disagree with most of it. From my experience, unless your doing 1-3 2-1 2-2 2-3 runs or above, your not making much. I can run a TT 1-2 run in about 45 minutes or so and my profit isn't all that great usually.

Now.. if we are talking squad mode... that might be different. I've not done many squad mode runs, and all of them were with a Barb Tanking and my Herc only adding dps (not tanking). Drops from them were mediocre at best so even then I question the "mad profit" everyone claims Veno's make from these runs.

I think frequently people don't factor in the time it takes to do the runs and just assume it's all profit (time is money, you MUST factor in your time -vs- your profit or you have a falsely elevated profit margin).

~S

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Well the profitability is related to the server economy. The TT60 market has completely tanked on Sanctuary even when accounting for Valentine inflation. TT70 is dropping fast too.

There is a sweet spot of maximum profitability that is being pushed further out. TT80 sells well and I just sold some TT90 mats at high prices to the few that need it.

If you aren't riding this wave you are not going to be as well off.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well the profitability is related to the server economy. The TT60 market has completely tanked on Sanctuary even when accounting for Valentine inflation. TT70 is dropping fast too.

There is a sweet spot of maximum profitability that is being pushed further out. TT80 sells well and I just sold some TT90 mats at high prices to the few that need it.

If you aren't riding this wave you are not going to be as well off.

80 mats are good. I sold 5 ape teeth at 300k each for example