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Windslinger - Heavens Tear
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Hey Archers!
Alright, so you've found out that our class is somewhat expensive to maintain considering we're weak as a butterfly yet sting like waking up realizing you just missed the final exam, and that we're dependent on our ammunition to be able to fight (shame we couldn't use our bows as skinny clubs). Plus, having to stand there and take some damage means reducing endurance on the armor, meaning repairs, repairs, repairs. Plus, hate to mention it, but alas we cannot hide from the fact that our damage is reduced by half when firing normal arrows at melee range.
Hm....well, something has to compensate for our high damage, right?
Not necessarily! In due time, after I have created and posted some videos for you visual learners, I will include a comprehensive, written guide that will show you...
However, for those of you who would like in-game training, please create a character on the Heaven's Tear server, send me a PM or email, and we can work on a scheduled meet. Sessions should take anywhere from 10-15 minutes of practice, and 5 minutes of pre-practice explanations, demonstration, and pep talk!
By the time you're through and have mastered these techniques, I guarantee that your wallets will be fuller, and that you can show those Venomancers that they're not the only class that can solo!
Alright, so you've found out that our class is somewhat expensive to maintain considering we're weak as a butterfly yet sting like waking up realizing you just missed the final exam, and that we're dependent on our ammunition to be able to fight (shame we couldn't use our bows as skinny clubs). Plus, having to stand there and take some damage means reducing endurance on the armor, meaning repairs, repairs, repairs. Plus, hate to mention it, but alas we cannot hide from the fact that our damage is reduced by half when firing normal arrows at melee range.
Hm....well, something has to compensate for our high damage, right?
Not necessarily! In due time, after I have created and posted some videos for you visual learners, I will include a comprehensive, written guide that will show you...
- ...how to avoid buying health or mana potions at all.
- ...how to expect to spend from ten coins to a few hundred on repairs no matter what level you are.
- ...how to take from 0-2 hits from a monster no matter the difference level between you and it.
However, for those of you who would like in-game training, please create a character on the Heaven's Tear server, send me a PM or email, and we can work on a scheduled meet. Sessions should take anywhere from 10-15 minutes of practice, and 5 minutes of pre-practice explanations, demonstration, and pep talk!
By the time you're through and have mastered these techniques, I guarantee that your wallets will be fuller, and that you can show those Venomancers that they're not the only class that can solo!
It's not about being perfect...
...it's about knowing you're not.
...it's about knowing you're not.
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Windslinger - Heavens Tear wrote: »...how to take from 0-2 hits from a monster no matter the difference level between you and it.
b:chuckle I cant wait to see how a lvl 40 archer can take 0-2 hit from a lvl 80 mob. Cuz you said "no matter the level difference between you and it" :P0 -
Tarterus - Lost City wrote: »b:chuckle I cant wait to see how a lvl 40 archer can take 0-2 hit from a lvl 80 mob. Cuz you said "no matter the level difference between you and it" :P
I'm assuming he's planning to do a ridiculous amount of kiting, and is planning on spending a hell of a long time killing it.
It's all very well to kill things without taking a single hit.. but at a certain point it stops being cost effective to kill things so slowly. Even if you are doing it without getting beat up in the process.Everyone here is ridiculously oversensitive.0 -
Windslinger - Heavens Tear wrote: »Hey Archers!
Alright, so you've found out that our class is somewhat expensive to maintain considering we're weak as a butterfly yet sting like waking up realizing you just missed the final exam, and that we're dependent on our ammunition to be able to fight (shame we couldn't use our bows as skinny clubs). Plus, having to stand there and take some damage means reducing endurance on the armor, meaning repairs, repairs, repairs. Plus, hate to mention it, but alas we cannot hide from the fact that our damage is reduced by half when firing normal arrows at melee range.
Hm....well, something has to compensate for our high damage, right?
Not necessarily! In due time, after I have created and posted some videos for you visual learners, I will include a comprehensive, written guide that will show you...
- ...how to avoid buying health or mana potions at all.
- ...how to expect to spend from ten coins to a few hundred on repairs no matter what level you are.
- ...how to take from 0-2 hits from a monster no matter the difference level between you and it.
However, for those of you who would like in-game training, please create a character on the Heaven's Tear server, send me a PM or email, and we can work on a scheduled meet. Sessions should take anywhere from 10-15 minutes of practice, and 5 minutes of pre-practice explanations, demonstration, and pep talk!
By the time you're through and have mastered these techniques, I guarantee that your wallets will be fuller, and that you can show those Venomancers that they're not the only class that can solo!
okay yeah i am up for this...what is your name in game?
My name is KishanHood and i am on Heavens Tear.0 -
I'm assuming he's planning to do a ridiculous amount of kiting, and is planning on spending a hell of a long time killing it.
It's all very well to kill things without taking a single hit.. but at a certain point it stops being cost effective to kill things so slowly. Even if you are doing it without getting beat up in the process.
It's a fair assumption to call it kiting, but the specific method can numerically and technically be proven to cut down time it takes to kill a monster on your own, with very little use of kiting; in fact the whole technique is to not kite at all except when luring the target away from other potential dangers. It does involve some form of constant movement, but as you will eventually see, sometimes it can be none at all. Factor that little movement in with 100% ranged damage while killing off the monster, and it dramatically reduces the time and money spent, while increasing your damage per second (-time) per arrow (-money).It's not about being perfect...
...it's about knowing you're not.0 -
I am... morbidly curious. I'd like to see a demonstration of you doing this against Gouf Aerox Chief.
And, have you used this technique against ranged attack creatures, such as Luminoc Architect and Khewy the Rattus Lord?0 -
Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »I am... morbidly curious. I'd like to see a demonstration of you doing this against Gouf Aerox Chief.
And, have you used this technique against ranged attack creatures, such as Luminoc Architect and Khewy the Rattus Lord?
As stated above in an earlier reply, the method is meant for avoiding rather than killing, but I do admit this is also dependent on the monster's range. Some monsters have more than others, so if you're planning to fight against something that has the same range as an archer, then prepare for a LOT of kiting. Other than that, it's simpler than imagined, sometimes right under one's nose.It's not about being perfect...
...it's about knowing you're not.0 -
i know archers my level who can take 3 hits from lv 105 mobs (we were farming)0
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Windslinger - Heavens Tear wrote: »As stated above in an earlier reply, the method is meant for avoiding rather than killing, but I do admit this is also dependent on the monster's range. Some monsters have more than others, so if you're planning to fight against something that has the same range as an archer, then prepare for a LOT of kiting. Other than that, it's simpler than imagined, sometimes right under one's nose.
There's no way to avoid a boss that runs at 8m/s, cannot be slowed/stunned. And by the way, he's melee, so it's not range that you have to worry about.
There are numerous techniques to minimize cost and maximize kill count during grinding of mobs of similar levels (-2 to +5).0 -
Ok, I'll say this. If you are going for a NORMAL mob withing 5-10 lvls of you, killing it without getting hit should be no problem... even with no kiting Frost arrows + knockback will keep you from getting hit. However, if you are going against elites in FB or any type of Boss, not getting hit/killed while you solo is hard. Every try taking on Kong? Even if you are 10 levels ahead of him you will still get 1-2 shotted no matter how ****ing fast you kite from him.
Also, archers don't need MP pots/charms and an HP charm is more efficient money wise than HP pots.
To get around 1/2 damage just use close range kills: wingspan, lightning, ect. and don't even WORRY about ammo. They won't be a problem.
I'll assume this is a guide for archers lvl 20 and below tho because at that level, the things you mention are 100% possible. But, after 3x... its impossible if you solo at all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
^_^ I enjoy the skepticism, but am happily to erase them; I've been testing and recording these while questing, so it shouldn't be much longer 'til I've satisfied your curiosities and ended doubts.
I've also come across many players, newbs and veterans, and have had the same response from each of them: "Clever." It's all about using what you know, not what you see b:victoryIt's not about being perfect...
...it's about knowing you're not.0 -
StellarAshes - Heavens Tear wrote: »There's no way to avoid a boss that runs at 8m/s, cannot be slowed/stunned. And by the way, he's melee, so it's not range that you have to worry about.
There are numerous techniques to minimize cost and maximize kill count during grinding of mobs of similar levels (-2 to +5).
Exactly! This method does not require stuns or slows to be used!It's not about being perfect...
...it's about knowing you're not.0 -
Very funny.
All written in the style of an infomercial. So I don't believe it's anything special, just based on that. 0 -
Poiss - Sanctuary wrote: »Very funny. All written in the style of an infomercial. So I don't believe it's anything special, just based on that.
I respect that opinion, but doesn't hurt to be open-minded~
Got 2/5 of the entire demonstration recorded, still trying to cover all the scenarios that can happen wherever you are.
So far I can tell it won't work in a few dungeons...but those places aren't to be soloed anyways.It's not about being perfect...
...it's about knowing you're not.0 -
Not an archer, but really interested to see how you're going to cut repair costs to 100 coins...using level 1 equips?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Not to discriminate against you by looking at your level but....
....Have you met the stationary towers yet with longer range than yours?
....Have you met the link-aggro air mobs?
....Are you going to take stun/aim low/wings of grace/shell/knock back into account which aren't available at level 19?
....Are you including bosses in your kiting tutorials?
....Do you know how much it costs to repair a TT bow, and if you do, how do you expect to cut the costs to 100 coin? I mean, you wear it out by firing it >_>
Just asking out of curiosity o.o[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
ಥ_ಥ MOAR.
SkyKoC - How long is yours?0 -
LOL. My weap gets 5 coins worth of dmg every time i fire it. So am i suppose to run back to repair every 20 shots. Oh yea, i am up for some one on one trainning. PM me when i am one and we can head over to the frostlands or deserts.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
haha this got stickied[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Yourmom - Lost City wrote: »Not an archer, but really interested to see how you're going to cut repair costs to 100 coins...using level 1 equips?
No, you use the highest level bow you can to make sure you're dealing the maximum damage so as a result you use fewer arrows to take down a monster. Using level 1 equipment would barely do anything to level 40 monsters which can regenerate faster than damage output.Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »Not to discriminate against you by looking at your level but....
....Have you met the stationary towers yet with longer range than yours?
....Have you met the link-aggro air mobs?
....Are you going to take stun/aim low/wings of grace/shell/knock back into account which aren't available at level 19?
....Are you including bosses in your kiting tutorials?
....Do you know how much it costs to repair a TT bow, and if you do, how do you expect to cut the costs to 100 coin? I mean, you wear it out by firing it >_>
Just asking out of curiosity o.o
It's a fair discrimination, and I welcome it. I admit I have more to learn about the game myself, but as with any guide or strategies, it will constantly be updated as soon as exceptions or open windows are found. To answer your questions, I have yet to meet the towers, and dealing with air mobs depends on Flight Mastery (which I have and will not touch, so I won't be able to test this myself). Stun/Aim Low/Wings of Grace/Shell/Knock Back are being taken into account with the method, and in fact will mutually improve with the technique as you level. Yes, bosses are included, but this is not pure kiting; otherwise, I could just generally say you're shooting and running in one simple post. And finally, to be realistic, the repair values of 10 gold to a few hundred are all based on proportions in relation to your level, your weapon's level, and directly related to your skill with the method, meaning the higher the weapon level, a sure chance repair costs will be dramatically more, but the savings rate will be consistent. For example, using the method could cut an average repair cost of 113 down to an average 23; to be consistent, an average repair cost of 1300 would get cut down to an average 300, which means it won't be a set value you will end up with, but rather a percentage or ratio reduction.Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »LOL. My weap gets 5 coins worth of dmg every time i fire it. So am i suppose to run back to repair every 20 shots. Oh yea, i am up for some one on one trainning. PM me when i am one and we can head over to the frostlands or deserts.
Definitely; try to add me to your friend's list to see if I'm on and I'll show you the basics.It's not about being perfect...
...it's about knowing you're not.0 -
Windslinger - Heavens Tear wrote: »No, you use the highest level bow you can to make sure you're dealing the maximum damage so as a result you use fewer arrows to take down a monster. Using level 1 equipment would barely do anything to level 40 monsters which can regenerate faster than damage output.
It's a fair discrimination, and I welcome it. I admit I have more to learn about the game myself, but as with any guide or strategies, it will constantly be updated as soon as exceptions or open windows are found. To answer your questions, I have yet to meet the towers, and dealing with air mobs depends on Flight Mastery (which I have and will not touch, so I won't be able to test this myself). Stun/Aim Low/Wings of Grace/Shell/Knock Back are being taken into account with the method, and in fact will mutually improve with the technique as you level. Yes, bosses are included, but this is not pure kiting; otherwise, I could just generally say you're shooting and running in one simple post. And finally, to be realistic, the repair values of 10 gold to a few hundred are all based on proportions in relation to your level, your weapon's level, and directly related to your skill with the method, meaning the higher the weapon level, a sure chance repair costs will be dramatically more, but the savings rate will be consistent. For example, using the method could cut an average repair cost of 113 down to an average 23; to be consistent, an average repair cost of 1300 would get cut down to an average 300, which means it won't be a set value you will end up with, but rather a percentage or ratio reduction.
Definitely; try to add me to your friend's list to see if I'm on and I'll show you the basics.
This man does not understand sarcasm.
Just for kicks, somebody please go see what his lessons are all about.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Waiting patiently for some substance, broad concepts and non-specific reference to ethereal techniques leave me amused but unsatisfied.Meek with words, abrupt with arrows.0
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Project 60% complete, looking for more participants (preferably 25-30, 40-45) for third person view and experimenting with tandem.It's not about being perfect...
...it's about knowing you're not.0 -
maybe its killing mobs 20 levels below you repeatedly? b:surrender0
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ArwenFrost - Heavens Tear wrote: »maybe its killing mobs 20 levels below you repeatedly? b:surrender
Cartman: That's why we just need to log in and stay in the forest, killing boars.
Kyle: Boars?
Cartman: There's lots of computer-generated boars in Warcraft that die with just one blow.
Kyle: Dude, boars are only worth two experience points apiece. Do you know how many we would have to kill to get up 30 levels?
Cartman: Yes. [whips out a sheet full of calculations] Sixty-five million three hundred and forty thousand two hundred and eighty five. Which should take us seven weeks five days thirteen hours and twenty minutes, giving ourselves three hours a night to sleep. What do you say, guys? You can just, you can just hang outside in the sun all day tossin' a ball around, [firmly] or you can sit at your computer and do somethin' that matters.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Yourmom - Lost City wrote: »Cartman: That's why we just need to log in and stay in the forest, killing boars.
Kyle: Boars?
Cartman: There's lots of computer-generated boars in Warcraft that die with just one blow.
Kyle: Dude, boars are only worth two experience points apiece. Do you know how many we would have to kill to get up 30 levels?
Cartman: Yes. [whips out a sheet full of calculations] Sixty-five million three hundred and forty thousand two hundred and eighty five. Which should take us seven weeks five days thirteen hours and twenty minutes, giving ourselves three hours a night to sleep. What do you say, guys? You can just, you can just hang outside in the sun all day tossin' a ball around, [firmly] or you can sit at your computer and do somethin' that matters.
Love that episode of South Park.
But to answer Annor, no, it goes along with the game just as you level; it just gets harder to use, but kudos to anyone who can find ways to innovate from it. 65-69% completed so far, been a laggy day for my ISP, so couldn't get as many correctly timed screens or clear videos.It's not about being perfect...
...it's about knowing you're not.0 -
The only way I see it possible to avoid being hit and minimizing your repair bill is:
kiting;
running the mob into a wall, which still involves kiting;
max your slow arrow, knock back constantly, and wings of grace if they happen to get close;
using dot skills while you kite;
whatever it is, it probably involves kiting, which is ****.0 -
Windslinger - Heavens Tear wrote: »
- ...how to avoid buying health or mana potions at all.
- ...how to expect to spend from ten coins to a few hundred on repairs no matter what level you are.
- ...how to take from 0-2 hits from a monster no matter the difference level between you and it.
- ...This typically involves not dragging potions into your "buy" region when you visit apothecaries and kitty stores.
- ...One approach here would involve replacing your gear instead of repairing your gear
- ...For normal combat, you can kite them. And from world bosses (and anything else which can one- or two-hit kill you), you will always take 0-2 hits. For anything else, just avoid shooting them.
Seriously, though, various forms of kiting can work rather well against lots of monsters.0 -
hey i am up for it...0
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