I need some help with mage :)

Blastsphere - Sanctuary
Blastsphere - Sanctuary Posts: 4 Arc User
edited June 2009 in Wizard
Hey there pwi forum readers! Im wanting to become a human mage, but im not sure what kind of build do have, ive heard they are weak when it comes to pysical damage but have very strong offensive attacks, can anyone tell me if wizards are reallly that good later on in game or is it just a lie and theyre weak as wet paper. :)
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  • Mosabi - Heavens Tear
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    there is still no proof in this gmae yet of wizards being good at end game but who knows??anyway role an archer and wish us mages luck b:victory
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    sorry med school needs some time.
  • drag0nball
    drag0nball Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    well archer is hard in teh beginning too but they will become strongeer earlier.
    I dnt know for sure if mages are so strong at higher lvls.
    But you will have hard time untill lvl 60. and even after it you will be weaker than other classes. And only at lvl 90 becomes the mage balanced too other classes but not stronger at all.
    But as I see the lvl 100 skills and their magic dammage then I guess at lvl 100 they will be stronger than any class. they will have attack buffs for tjemselves and debuffs and undine strike and good AOE...If using those skill right can 1 hit almost any class...
    but to lvl 100 its alooong way...even if you are lvl 90...you need to have more months to get to lvl 100 because there needs 30-100 million EXP to lvl ta single lvl... So you if you want to role one than you must be very patient and never let your hopes down.. Most of mages quit before they get to lvl 100...I guess thats one of the reasons why everyone tells mages suck.
    And even if you have the patience you should not be surprised if nobody wants you in a squad in FB or TT or other things which grants reputation and items...unless you have very good friends..wich I have not.
  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Blastsphere - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Hey there pwi forum readers! Im wanting to become a human mage, but im not sure what kind of build do have, ive heard they are weak when it comes to pysical damage but have very strong offensive attacks, can anyone tell me if wizards are reallly that good later on in game or is it just a lie and theyre weak as wet paper. :)

    In all honesty I believe that Wizards suck big time when it comes to PvP and PvE, people say that it's good in PK and TW but who knows...
    Anyways the best build for a mage is Light Armor Build: 1 on STR, 1 on DEX, 0 on VIT and 3 on MAG each lvl.
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  • Skyannie - Lost City
    Skyannie - Lost City Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    In all honesty, nearly all of the above is wrong. Now, mages DO shine during TW, especially in their 90's. There IS proof of this, and it's been repeated in quite a few threads, but people are in denial, which is upsetting.

    Now, build-wise, if you're too eager to solo PK, although I don't encourage it, you can go light build. However, for end-game with 90+ gear, pure int is the way to go. For my part, I went pure from the start, and although it's less effective in world PK at first, I do my job during TW, although that might not be the same for your case...
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    And though my short legs could not keep up, my heart was always by their side. Conqueror.
  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Skyannie - Lost City wrote: »
    In all honesty, nearly all of the above is wrong. Now, mages DO shine during TW, especially in their 90's. There IS proof of this, and it's been repeated in quite a few threads, but people are in denial, which is upsetting.

    Should be quite fun lvling tll 90+ in order to make people notice you and still not doing as well as others in PvP (duels)... Mages cuase dmg and that's all there is to it, they will never match any other class on other aspects, only dmg. Hell I've even seen a lvl 70+ mage wanting to change class. If you play on a PvE server then yes they do suck. As for the "shine" part, it's quite arguable.

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  • CeliaZ - Sanctuary
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Should be quite fun lvling tll 90+ in order to make people notice you and still not doing as well as others in PvP (duels)... Mages cuase dmg and that's all there is to it, they will never match any other class on other aspects, only dmg. Hell I've even seen a lvl 70+ mage wanting to change class. If you play on a PvE server then yes they do suck. As for the "shine" part, it's quite arguable.

    Blastsphere plays on Sanctuary...

    I do not agree with this. From level 60 mages level very easy, almost all mobs are magic and we kill things very quick. Grinding is easier compared to BM's for example, and with sutra we even can do some good in pvp.
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  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I do not agree with this. From level 60 mages level very easy, almost all mobs are magic and we kill things very quick. Grinding is easier compared to BM's for example, and with sutra we even can do some good in pvp.

    I never ever said that Wizards are a bad class, my first char was a Wizard but they are not good in PvP and they often have hard time in PvE as well. Also as I said myself Wizards are right behind Clerics when it comes to lvling with Venos on the 1st seat.
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  • mekkan90
    mekkan90 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Skyannie - Lost City wrote: »
    In all honesty, nearly all of the above is wrong. Now, mages DO shine during TW, especially in their 90's. There IS proof of this, and it's been repeated in quite a few threads, but people are in denial, which is upsetting.

    Now, build-wise, if you're too eager to solo PK, although I don't encourage it, you can go light build. However, for end-game with 90+ gear, pure int is the way to go. For my part, I went pure from the start, and although it's less effective in world PK at first, I do my job during TW, although that might not be the same for your case...

    can you do me a favour and explain to me how to build a mage for TW? im planning on making a mage for the new server, but i dont wanna die fast and i want to do good in TW, and i know that blademasters are great in TW, so what do i do about the Phys damage ? what armors should i choose for the mage? how should it be built? how should i use my points?
  • Skyannie - Lost City
    Skyannie - Lost City Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    mekkan90 wrote: »
    can you do me a favour and explain to me how to build a mage for TW? im planning on making a mage for the new server, but i dont wanna die fast and i want to do good in TW, and i know that blademasters are great in TW, so what do i do about the Phys damage ? what armors should i choose for the mage? how should it be built? how should i use my points?

    There are some guides around this very section that cover the aspects of mage builds. Almost all of the serious guides will tell you the way to setting up a pure int mage. Basically, 9 int and 1 str every 2 levels, you may add a little bit of con at first to compensate, but it's not entirely recommended. In the end, at level 90, the con should be restatted out once you have 90HH gear.

    At the beginning, mages inevitably die fast. However, due to the large scale of TW, we are less likely to be targeted, allowing a higher survivability, hence why I, along with my guild, support the pure build all the way. Physical damage will be a hassle at first, but when you reach an adequate level, 70+, you may add some physical def stats along with HP stones to balance it out. If you are targetted, the best thing to do to avoid such a problem is to distance shrink away until they are attacked by another guild member, or they turn away, which is not uncommon to happen during TW. In the later levels, such as 90+, you may not even need to turn away if you have adequate gear.

    About duels... they are the WORST manner to try to compare classes and power, any experienced player can vouch for that as a fact. Either way, I've seen a few mages win duels with other people around their level. b:bye

    I think people need to stop trying to make mages sound like they're horrible, as they are a VITAL class. They are certainly VERY difficult to master, since you have to reach a high level to get there. However, few people may know these fun facts, tier 2 and tier 1 PvE TW's cannot be won without mages. b:victory So, we do shine.
    As only the child that I was, I tread with giants.
    Their footprints on the sand, marked for times immemorial, serve as evidence of hope.
    And though my short legs could not keep up, my heart was always by their side. Conqueror.
  • ShadowDrag - Lost City
    ShadowDrag - Lost City Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    there kinda is...elanye...or how ever u spell it 3 shoted soasain ( a 70x barb)
    with gush, pyro, gush
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  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    ShadowDrag - Lost City wrote: »
    there kinda is...elanye...or how ever u spell it 3 shoted soasain ( a 70x barb)
    with gush, pyro, gush

    Isn't that elanye like 89 lvl? What's so surprising or impressive about it?
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  • Hudini - Heavens Tear
    Hudini - Heavens Tear Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    It depends, you want to be able to solo fight, go LA.

    If you want to hide behind all your friends and never fight by yourself go pure int.

    Honestly the damage between a pure int and a LA is not huge PVP. Now if you make it to level 100 that may be a different story.

    I was pure int, got sick of being 2 shotted by archers went with a LA build next and i do more in pk because of my crits. Crits for a wiz are awesome, that alone compensates for the 500 dmg you lose to pure int and survivability.
  • shield
    shield Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Right there with Hudini. I've won several duels with barbs my same level 78. I've also beat up veno's and archers same level. I do very well at TW and even run my own squad. Mages are death to BM's and Barbs where an archer couldn't even scratch em. Its all about Pdef vs Mdef. I'm a light armor build and can solo or squad kill very well. Also, I setup the squads for TT or FB89 farming that I want to go on and I have a squad available to me literally any time I want to go.
    Whether your going LA\INT build PvE or PvP, Sutra at lev 59 is your friend, thats when you start winning duels, and not falling over to Ganks. Also work on your force of will (its a seal, also it works as a knockback in PvE)
    For an archer gank, just lead with a heavy spell, force of will, then a quick follow up.
    For a duel, get 2 sparks, force of will, sutra, sandstorm,stone rain, divine pyro, sandstorm (At lev 59-69 Divine Pyro, Stone Rain, Sandstorm, Divine Pyro is more effective because your sandstorm is not leveled high enough yet)
    If you go straight int, you might do better with Advanced spark eruption (increased dmg, and invulnerable for 2 seconds) then sandstorm for your one shot kills. Also if you get creative, spark eruption (1 spark) frostblade, BladeTempest for more 1 shot kills, this can be interrupted easily though with good timing.
    Wizards are not a bad class, from lev 59-75 you literally burn your way through levels. Early leveling is also fairly quick, just work those combos. Have a known set of spells to use for each situation. Work the elemental weaknesses.
    As for the archers...higher dps...lower spikes...less 1 shot kills. And they wear light armor just like we can.
  • AHEAD_of_you - Heavens Tear
    AHEAD_of_you - Heavens Tear Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I had a wiz with a LA build, but decided to redo him for a pure build and I couldn't be happier. Sure the LA can take a better hit but now that I use a macro to combo up spells, taking full advantage of ele. weaknesses as earlier mentioned, I can drop most things before they get to me. It may not be some huge 1-hitter, but I live and they die. 'Nuff for me.
  • Askiel - Heavens Tear
    Askiel - Heavens Tear Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Ya mages in PVE are amazing, my mage is pure int lvl 75 now and I can kill any mob before i get hit/take on 3 or 4, even though I play on the worst PvP server i still only lose duels around 15% of the time (only fought one archer), most mages find Clerics to be tough but theres things you can do to easily beat em like a sparked sutra kills in about 3 hits maximum, or if they end up doing enough damage in there throw in a heal and you're at full health again. Mages are the toughest class to play only if you don't know how to play them right other then that they aren't really that hard, the only time I ever really had trouble playing my mage was at level 20 killing those ants haha.
  • _makina_ - Sanctuary
    _makina_ - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    edit - Damn necro.....

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