FB Help? But None Before

Death_Threat - Sanctuary
Death_Threat - Sanctuary Posts: 2 Arc User
edited February 2009 in Twilight Temple (West)
I Just Goota Give My Two-Cents On This - Every High Level On The Server Wants To Assist You With An FB If You Have The Tab. But - Where Is The Help For The Quest Prior To The FB? This Quest Can Sometimes Be Difficult For Many Players And It Seems No One Is Willing To Assist You With It. Example - Quest At Level 37 Requires You To Kill "W/E" In Gate Of Delirium To Obtain Sword, And Another Quest Requires You To Kill 5 Of This And 5 Of That In Same Place. I Have Tried At Various Stages And Cannot Complete This Feat Alone. I Have Asked Several peeps For Help To Only Be Ignored Or Better Yet Rudely Insulted As A "Noob" ( Which For Everyones Understanding You All Were "Noobs" At One Point ). I Believe That If You (The High Level Looking For An EXP Or Rep Boost) Want Our FB Run You Should Provide Some Assistance With The Quests That You Also Had Trouble Completing Prior To The FB. - Flame On This And/Or Agree It Really Does Not Matter. I Just Had To Vent. As Far As My Future FB's No Worries I Will Find The Good Peeps That Are Willing To Sacrafice A Little Time And Effort To Assist And I Will Gladly Allow Them To Gain The Extra Boost From My Quest. Thank You For Listening, Thank You For Agreeing, And Lastly Thank You For Flaming.

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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Actually, any good fb runner will make sure you get those quests done at the same time you do the fb. It's really a waste of time to go in to the dungeon a bunch of times to do each quest. Wait until you are level 39 and have the tabs for Gate of Delirium, then find a party to help. They should make sure all the other quests in there are finished before you kill any bosses.
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  • Daerys - Sanctuary
    Daerys - Sanctuary Posts: 1,022 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    You do realize that you capitalized every single word in your post, right?

    Anyway, the quests you are referring to are typically done at the same time as the FB. There are many cases of that. The first quest related to FB51 you will get at....47, 48? Just hang on to them until you get the tabs and do it all at once. Pretty simple. No point in wasting your own time as well as others when you know you'll have to go back in there in a few levels. The FB's really aren't exciting enough to do more than you have to, at least not the earlier ones.
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Death_Threat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I Just Goota Give My Two-Cents On This - Every High Level On The Server Wants To Assist You With An FB If You Have The Tab. But - Where Is The Help For The Quest Prior To The FB? This Quest Can Sometimes Be Difficult For Many Players And It Seems No One Is Willing To Assist You With It. Example - Quest At Level 37 Requires You To Kill "W/E" In Gate Of Delirium To Obtain Sword, And Another Quest Requires You To Kill 5 Of This And 5 Of That In Same Place. I Have Tried At Various Stages And Cannot Complete This Feat Alone. I Have Asked Several peeps For Help To Only Be Ignored Or Better Yet Rudely Insulted As A "Noob" ( Which For Everyones Understanding You All Were "Noobs" At One Point ). I Believe That If You (The High Level Looking For An EXP Or Rep Boost) Want Our FB Run You Should Provide Some Assistance With The Quests That You Also Had Trouble Completing Prior To The FB. - Flame On This And/Or Agree It Really Does Not Matter. I Just Had To Vent. As Far As My Future FB's No Worries I Will Find The Good Peeps That Are Willing To Sacrafice A Little Time And Effort To Assist And I Will Gladly Allow Them To Gain The Extra Boost From My Quest. Thank You For Listening, Thank You For Agreeing, And Lastly Thank You For Flaming.

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    Mmm.... 2 thoughts on this.
    Either you need to find a faction (or a new one) that actually helps you, and not just leech on exps

    OR

    say you need some mob kills before and FB but everyone likes them wined. Like me, (I was factionles until 50 or so) separate the tasks and ask around in world chat. Not a "I want XXX done, someone help plzzzz!" but something like "Killing mobs at XXXdungeon, pple who need similar mobs/quests there PM me." You will most likely need to spend time on other pples quests with this but it always got my own quests done. There are always others that have the same needs as you. If no response wait a few hours later and repeat.
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  • Temerayn - Sanctuary
    Temerayn - Sanctuary Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    My faction tends to be pretty open to non-wining most fb's. 59 they wine but you typically only seem to need one mob from in there. Otherwise we have no problem doing unwined runs. (It's just that fb59 takes a while if you deal with all the mobs)
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Also, I was told FB59 contains some good potential pets which can only be tamed without wine.

    Edit: I am not sure which of these get totally wiped out by wine, nor which of these might be of special interest for venomancers, but rob-soft lists Scorpid Vemon Master, Undine Keeper of Mysteries, Sower of the Flame, Indulgent Flametoe, Dodon Laronist, and Shikou Valorian.
  • Belial - Heavens Tear
    Belial - Heavens Tear Posts: 972 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Temerayn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    My faction tends to be pretty open to non-wining most fb's. 59 they wine but you typically only seem to need one mob from in there. Otherwise we have no problem doing unwined runs. (It's just that fb59 takes a while if you deal with all the mobs)

    There is no reason to do FB59 without wine - none of the mobs in there are needed for quests, the FB rewards or anything else. FB59 without wine will take hours - I think it would be faster to collect the mats for the wine than do the FB fully :).
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Also, I was told FB59 contains some good potential pets which can only be tamed without wine.

    There are 3 level 63 pets in there which remain even if wine has been used (they are the antelope, the chickin and a florafang).

    To the OP: You need to find better party mates and also not capitalise ever word as it makes it difficult to read what you are saying :).
  • NuNuie - Lost City
    NuNuie - Lost City Posts: 535 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    death_threat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i Just Goota Give My Two-cents On This - Every High Level On The Server Wants To Assist You With An Fb If You Have The Tab. But - Where Is The Help For The Quest Prior To The Fb? This Quest Can Sometimes Be Difficult For Many Players And It Seems No One Is Willing To Assist You With It. Example - Quest At Level 37 Requires You To Kill "w/e" In Gate Of Delirium To Obtain Sword, And Another Quest Requires You To Kill 5 Of This And 5 Of That In Same Place. I Have Tried At Various Stages And Cannot Complete This Feat Alone. I Have Asked Several Peeps For Help To Only Be Ignored Or Better Yet Rudely Insulted As A "noob" ( Which For Everyones Understanding You All Were "noobs" At One Point ). I Believe That If You (the High Level Looking For An Exp Or Rep Boost) Want Our Fb Run You Should Provide Some Assistance With The Quests That You Also Had Trouble Completing Prior To The Fb. - Flame On This And/or Agree It Really Does Not Matter. I Just Had To Vent. As Far As My Future Fb's No Worries I Will Find The Good Peeps That Are Willing To Sacrafice A Little Time And Effort To Assist And I Will Gladly Allow Them To Gain The Extra Boost From My Quest. Thank You For Listening, Thank You For Agreeing, And Lastly Thank You For Flaming.

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  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Death_Threat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I Just Goota Give My Two-Cents On This - Every High Level On The Server Wants To Assist You With An FB If You Have The Tab. But - Where Is The Help For The Quest Prior To The FB? This Quest Can Sometimes Be Difficult For Many Players And It Seems No One Is Willing To Assist You With It. Example - Quest At Level 37 Requires You To Kill "W/E" In Gate Of Delirium To Obtain Sword, And Another Quest Requires You To Kill 5 Of This And 5 Of That In Same Place. I Have Tried At Various Stages And Cannot Complete This Feat Alone. I Have Asked Several peeps For Help To Only Be Ignored Or Better Yet Rudely Insulted As A "Noob" ( Which For Everyones Understanding You All Were "Noobs" At One Point ). I Believe That If You (The High Level Looking For An EXP Or Rep Boost) Want Our FB Run You Should Provide Some Assistance With The Quests That You Also Had Trouble Completing Prior To The FB. - Flame On This And/Or Agree It Really Does Not Matter. I Just Had To Vent. As Far As My Future FB's No Worries I Will Find The Good Peeps That Are Willing To Sacrafice A Little Time And Effort To Assist And I Will Gladly Allow Them To Gain The Extra Boost From My Quest. Thank You For Listening, Thank You For Agreeing, And Lastly Thank You For Flaming.

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    like someone else said, those mob quests for INSIDE the fb dungeons are typically done at the same time you do the tabbed run. those quests are not prerequisite quests that need to be done before you get some other quest that you need for such and such progress.

    i really get irked by people who.. soon as they accept a quest get all "OMG I GOT QUEST MUST FINISH RIGHT NOW EVEN IF EVERYONE ELSE WAITS A FEW LVLS TO DO IT". this inclueds bosses (non tab ones) and fb mob quests.

    and well past few days i've been incredibly bored with grinding, so i've just been fbing and in between that i broadcast "helping with bosses" -- non fb ones. so if you need help with something pm me. i can do most of the bosses you get up to lvl 70, except jewel, krimson, gargantaking, and the underwater ones. and i actually enjoy doing bosses so, like i said, pm me.

    oh.. and the reason people are calling you a noob is.. the point that has been made several times already: those quests get done when you do your tabbed run. expecting to do them before, or expecting people to do individual runs every time you get a new quest is noobish. its lacking a fundamental understanding of the politics and tradition of the game.
  • AlpineFrost - Lost City
    AlpineFrost - Lost City Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I Love It When People Type Like This! It Makes Me Happy.

    Fack

    just FYI those quests you are talking about should be done DURING your FB not PRIOR to it. To keep you from having to go back and forth all the time, and running the FBs a zillion times to get them all done.
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  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Actually, any good fb runner will make sure you get those quests done at the same time you do the fb. It's really a waste of time to go in to the dungeon a bunch of times to do each quest. Wait until you are level 39 and have the tabs for Gate of Delirium, then find a party to help. They should make sure all the other quests in there are finished before you kill any bosses.

    For the OP. I had a similar experience as yours see my tread:
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=194351

    For Zoe,

    You are pretty much correct. However, I had similar case as OP. I'm quite confident the OP same as me, did not have any other quest to complete other than these ones.


    One of the quest is simply to kill the gouls that are right inside the FB (I think is only 4 mobs). 2 Mins of work for high level. Why not helping?

    The other ones I agree should be done with the FB since otherwise you will have to kill them twice and one of those quests cannot be completed anyways until you get certain stones on upper levels (the statues).
    ,
    However, "high level players" do not explain this to you (keep in mind not everybody comes to these forums and even myself who actually read the guides prior doing quests had problems with this, since the guide do not mention to wait for the FB39 to complete them).

    They are so arrogant waiting for Tab people at the front of the cave without explaining anything to you of why not helping you. They look worst than mobs since mobs at least patrol o move a bit every now and then.

    Some high levels also behave like mobs but they only get activated (agrro) when they see players with tabs.

    For heaven's sake, I help everybody asking for help that I can supply.
  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Mmm.... 2 thoughts on this.
    Either you need to find a faction (or a new one) that actually helps you, and not just leech on exps

    OR

    say you need some mob kills before and FB but everyone likes them wined. Like me, (I was factionles until 50 or so) separate the tasks and ask around in world chat. Not a "I want XXX done, someone help plzzzz!" but something like "Killing mobs at XXXdungeon, pple who need similar mobs/quests there PM me." You will most likely need to spend time on other pples quests with this but it always got my own quests done. There are always others that have the same needs as you. If no response wait a few hours later and repeat.


    Regarding guild. Many new guilds do not have high level people yet.

    Regarding asking for help on puplic chat. I have done it many times and people mostly don't care to answer. However, I've been helped couple times by calling on public chat.

    Also regarding public chat, I think the range is limites (please, somebody confirm or deny this). Since when I'm in archo the chat is pretty busy but as soon as I leave Archo, it does not continue like that. When you are in a place like FB39 the chat appears empty.
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    when ppl ask me for help i either help or explain why i wont help. reasons are typically "i cant kill that" (jewel) "you will get that done when you do your fb" (fb mob quests) or "i am not a personal, portable killing machine, and you dont need help with that" (regular mob quests).

    however.. i do get annoyed sometimes when people abuse my help. for example.. they ask me to kill all their culti bosses, i help, then they dont invite me for their tabbed fb run right after, THEN they ask me to go back inside with them to get mobs that their runners made them miss. cases like this i just wont help unless its a good friend.
  • AstigII - Sanctuary
    AstigII - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Death_Threat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I Just Goota Give My Two-Cents On This - Every High Level On The Server Wants To Assist You With An FB If You Have The Tab. But - Where Is The Help For The Quest Prior To The FB? This Quest Can Sometimes Be Difficult For Many Players And It Seems No One Is Willing To Assist You With It. Example - Quest At Level 37 Requires You To Kill "W/E" In Gate Of Delirium To Obtain Sword, And Another Quest Requires You To Kill 5 Of This And 5 Of That In Same Place. I Have Tried At Various Stages And Cannot Complete This Feat Alone. I Have Asked Several peeps For Help To Only Be Ignored Or Better Yet Rudely Insulted As A "Noob" ( Which For Everyones Understanding You All Were "Noobs" At One Point ). I Believe That If You (The High Level Looking For An EXP Or Rep Boost) Want Our FB Run You Should Provide Some Assistance With The Quests That You Also Had Trouble Completing Prior To The FB. - Flame On This And/Or Agree It Really Does Not Matter. I Just Had To Vent. As Far As My Future FB's No Worries I Will Find The Good Peeps That Are Willing To Sacrafice A Little Time And Effort To Assist And I Will Gladly Allow Them To Gain The Extra Boost From My Quest. Thank You For Listening, Thank You For Agreeing, And Lastly Thank You For Flaming.

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    I just got to give my two-cents on this - every high level on the server wants to assist you with an FB If you have the Tab. But - Where is the help for the quest prior to the FB? This quest can sometimes be difficult for many players and it seems no one is willing to assist you with it. \
    Example - Quest at level 37 requires you to kill "W/E" in Gate of Delirium to obtain Sword, and another quest requires you to kill 5 of this and 5 of that in same place. I have tried at various stages and cannot complete this feat alone. I have asked several peeps for help to only be ignored or better yet rudely insulted as a "Noob" (Which for everyone understands you all were "Noobs" at one point). I believe that if you (The high level looking for an EXP or Rep Boost) want our FB run you should provide some assistance with the quests that you also had trouble completing prior to the FB.
    Flame on this and/or agree it really does not matter. I just had to vent. As far as my future FB's no worries I will find the good peeps that are willing to sacrifice a little time and effort to assist and I will gladly allow them to gain the extra boost from my quest.

    Thank you for listening, thank you for agreeing, and lastly thank you for flaming.

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  • Death_Threat - Sanctuary
    Death_Threat - Sanctuary Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Aight - Let me eloborate a little ( also I apoligize for the caps, as it is a style that I am accustomed to ). When you aquire a FB tab every high level on the server will be at your feet for this quest. But given a little help prior to the quest with spritual cultivation needed to activate the FB would benifit both the players in my opinion. It allows the low level ( or as so many of you felt so nice to deem "Noob" ) a quicker chance to complete and the high level ( at this point I would like to call the "Wal-Mart Greeter". I'll explain later. ) a chance to benifit from the FB run. So for those a little slow on comprehension, help the low levels out with the quest prior to the FB run instead of effectively wasting your time advertising standing near the FB location ( Hence "Wal-Mart Greeter" ). I mean would it really hurt? Would you prefer to just stand at the door and advertise for hours? I believe you would aquire more runs if you showed a little more patience and aided these chars in their quest. This is all I have to say on this matter. I do appreciate the helpful tips from those that replied, for the haters keep it up I love the attention.

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  • _capone_ - Sanctuary
    _capone_ - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I understand what it is you are saying. Just to clarify for the others, its not just the FB39 quest, its all cult. quests prior to any FB. I lead a faction named "Mafia" and we are more than willing to assist in any quest that we will be able too. regardless of the FB. So if ever you need assistance please don't hesitate to contact us. You do not have to be a member to enjoy this benifit just pm myself and/or Wico and we will assist you.




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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Suppose you have 5 level 37 people who need a culti quest outside of the fb. If these level 37 people were to work together they can get it all done at the same time. If these level 37 people relied on a squad of high levels to do it for them one at a time then the high levels have to do it 5 times over.

    Different rules apply to the fb where each of the level 39 people get their own tabs. If they want to make use of their tabs they must have a run specific to them, this is where it makes the most sense to have the high level squad help.
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  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Death_Threat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Aight - Let me eloborate a little ( also I apoligize for the caps, as it is a style that I am accustomed to ). When you aquire a FB tab every high level on the server will be at your feet for this quest. But given a little help prior to the quest with spritual cultivation needed to activate the FB would benifit both the players in my opinion. It allows the low level ( or as so many of you felt so nice to deem "Noob" ) a quicker chance to complete and the high level ( at this point I would like to call the "Wal-Mart Greeter". I'll explain later. ) a chance to benifit from the FB run. So for those a little slow on comprehension, help the low levels out with the quest prior to the FB run instead of effectively wasting your time advertising standing near the FB location ( Hence "Wal-Mart Greeter" ). I mean would it really hurt? Would you prefer to just stand at the door and advertise for hours? I believe you would aquire more runs if you showed a little more patience and aided these chars in their quest. This is all I have to say on this matter. I do appreciate the helpful tips from those that replied, for the haters keep it up I love the attention.

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