Calculating non-elemental damage?

damani

How is this done? I have heard alot of things, so I'll just leave the answer to the pros........what Defense stat / set of Def. stats do I use when calculating how much damage from a non-elemental attack? Are there magic and Phys non-elems, or are the all the same.

Also wtf is this Minion of Alucard hitting me with, it's a water mob but it sure isnt water damage.......anyway to find out about these shenanigans in advance?

jemima

Melee attacks are generally physical, ranged attacks are generally magical.

No real way other than asking someone who knows, or finding someone somewhere (using the search feature on these forums, reading a guide on the boss/mob, etc) who might have answered it.

damani

****, cuz if it's magic then how do you find a stat for D? Just average all the other 5?

And also Spinewraiths ranged "non" attack is def based off P def.........

Hidden - Lost City

firstly, check the mob damage on pwdatabse. it lists the mobs magic and physical damage

second, find out how its attacking you. im pretty sure Minion of Alucard are metal damage, but thats just my memory and i could be wrong. U can tell what magic thier doing by the type of attack they use.

3rd, press C and bring up character screen. Move your mouse over the element ur being attacked in (or 'physical def.' if no element ) to show your % absorb. The minus that % from the attack power shown in pwdatabase.

Done.

damani

Sorry couldnt find the type of damage on PWdatabase, just the Type of Mob it was and what it was weak too.

Also, Minions are Water. But with 17000 water def the damage was the same as with 7000 Water Def, and with 4000 Pdef it was the same as with 2000 Pdef, so I have no clue ;x

Shiningon - Sanctuary

As far as i can see phy or ele defences have little to none actual difference to dmg taken. It's all a big con really. I think its based on player lvl. eg. I decided to take of my lvl70 armour and put on lvl30 armor reducing my elemental diffences by around 5000 on each, then proceded to kill krixx. the dmg I receved from him only increased by around 100-150. I'm sure someone smarter than me could explain why !

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Hidden - Lost City wrote: »

3rd, press C and bring up character screen. Move your mouse over the element ur being attacked in (or 'physical def.' if no element ) to show your % absorb. The minus that % from the attack power shown in pwdatabase.

I collected a bunch of def scores and % damage reduction scores as you describe and tried to fit them. The best approximation I got was:

% damage reduction = 100*def / (def + 40*lvl)

That formula checks out for a few high level barbs who posted their stats, and for all my characters except very low level ones (someone suggested there's a small constant in there somewhere). Please note that the C character screen display says nothing about enemies of a different level than you. I haven't had time to try to figure that one out yet.

Hidden - Lost City

damani wrote: »

Sorry couldnt find the type of damage on PWdatabase, just the Type of Mob it was and what it was weak too.

Also, Minions are Water. But with 17000 water def the damage was the same as with 7000 Water Def, and with 4000 Pdef it was the same as with 2000 Pdef, so I have no clue ;x

because ur trying the wrong elements. its magic first off, so changing ur pdef is not going to effect the damage taken. and as i said, i believe their metal damage (yes i understand their water type, that doesnt mean their water dmg...). so changing ur water defense again will have no effect on damage taken.

Shiningon - Sanctuary wrote: »

As far as i can see phy or ele defences have little to none actual difference to dmg taken. It's all a big con really. I think its based on player lvl. eg. I decided to take of my lvl70 armour and put on lvl30 armor reducing my elemental diffences by around 5000 on each, then proceded to kill krixx. the dmg I receved from him only increased by around 100-150. I'm sure someone smarter than me could explain why !

theres a level factor also. reducing 5000 on a lvl 40 character would be like good 70% difference. reducing 5000 on a lvl 80 i worked out to be roughly 25% or so difference. still some things dont really add up here, krixx adawolf lord? the water damage one? his got a water defense debuff to start with so im not sure if thats the best mob to test on.

damani

Seems like we're in need of a GM reply here then......

damani

So really, we're leaving it at "it's level based"?

Hidden - Lost City

What exactly are u looking for that i havent yet explained? Yes your armor:defense ratio is level based. That means if u wear HH70 at lvl 70 your % absorb's are gonna be really high, but by lvl 90 using the same armors their gonna be considerably low.

But all that wasnt what u were asking days ago. You asked how to calculate damage, i told u. What else do u wish to know or fail to understand?

Forp - Heavens Tear

tl;dr version: It's based lightly on your level, and more on your equipment.

Every level you go above the monster(or player), they would lose 1% of their overall damage. Krixx is what.. level 40? At level 80, he would lose a good 40% damage(which at that level, on an armored wizard, hits about 300~400), including your resistances, would be a good 50~60% reduction with that basic armor. If wearing armor your own level, a possible 70~80%(all assumptions, I don't have time to stop and do the actual numbers).

I know, with my 6,900~ water defense, Krixx might hit me for 100~150, as I've done him multiple times because whenever I do a fb29, I end up helping a group of people. I'm using a full set of level 60(Cosmos, arcane) armor. Without that armor, he hits roughly 200~250 damage, because I lost all of my resistance, but he still hits considerably less than he would be at level 40(you get the quest for him at 40 I believe).

I noticed, at level 69, I hit ~4,000 on death knights(lv70). At the moment I leveled and, with the same weapon, fought them again, was hitting on average 4,100(it would spike to that before, but never as often. This became my new mid-hit). And then I went and crafted my hh70 sword and hit 4,500 on average b:victory

Maciaveli - Lost City

Water Element mobs are weak to earth. Doesn't mean they attack with water, does it?

jemima

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

tl;dr version: It's based lightly on your level, and more on your equipment.

Every level you go above the monster(or player), they would lose 1% of their overall damage. Krixx is what.. level 40? At level 80, he would lose a good 40% damage(which at that level, on an armored wizard, hits about 300~400), including your resistances, would be a good 50~60% reduction with that basic armor. If wearing armor your own level, a possible 70~80%(all assumptions, I don't have time to stop and do the actual numbers).

I know, with my 6,900~ water defense, Krixx might hit me for 100~150, as I've done him multiple times because whenever I do a fb29, I end up helping a group of people. I'm using a full set of level 60(Cosmos, arcane) armor. Without that armor, he hits roughly 200~250 damage, because I lost all of my resistance, but he still hits considerably less than he would be at level 40(you get the quest for him at 40 I believe).

I noticed, at level 69, I hit ~4,000 on death knights(lv70). At the moment I leveled and, with the same weapon, fought them again, was hitting on average 4,100(it would spike to that before, but never as often. This became my new mid-hit). And then I went and crafted my hh70 sword and hit 4,500 on average b:victory

Did you put any points into magic when you levelled?

damani

K almost got it, just wondering when you say your "resistance", what resistance stat are you using? That's all I'm really asking, and still don't think I've seen the answer.

I.e. is it based off all Magic defs average, or off Pdef, or.......?

Sorry if someone made this clear, I am missing it.

Just got hit for 1300 wearing Arcane armor by something that normally hits me for 400 wearing Light Armor, so does Pdef factor in too?

Forp - Heavens Tear

jemima wrote: »

Did you put any points into magic when you levelled?

No, of course not. Clerics don't use magic, they use dual axes.