Money making venomancer: Is levelling capping the alternative way?

bobbeh

I've been doing quite a few solo TT60 runs and realised that it's not as profitable as people made it out to be. In fact, for the similar amount of time I spend in TT can probably grind 2x as much profit from normal monsters, seeing that the price for TT60 mats are dropping quite steeply.

Then to think back, the period when I had the most $$$ was when I was about level 40ish. I've somehow saved enough to fund 2 of my friends a panther each (costing about 1.8M altogether). Could it be that my earning rate is actually greater when I was lower level?

I'm toying around with the idea of a pure money-making venomancer. While the DQ drops may worth less at lower levels, you kill much faster than you can at higher levels. Plus you'll have higher drop rate for mid-materials like rough fur that's always in demand and sells well. Survival is also non-issue.

Now I'm not sure if this will work, but somehow I feel it will.

You might think this is completely pointless, but im sure there are alot of player who plays a veno purely for profit and might want to try this out.

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The (concept!) level 29 pure money making venomancer

Level capped at lvl29 (with cultivation quest done) - stop levelling by repeat suicide: This is the sweet spot because you get soul transfusion, killing-rate is fast and you have good drop-rate for mid-materials.

Stats: everything in magic.
Equipments: highest damage you can conjure. +Magic/+Magic attack, the molder magic sword (mirage sword). You kill fast you get rich fast.
Pet: Varicose scorpion for maximum damage.

Grinding mobs:
use this as a reference: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/

Basically mobs that has high % rate of dropping materials like rough fur, silk thread, purified oil and also dropping Dragon Quest items as a bonus.

fuzzles

Mmm.. I'd advise grinding on the antelopes for hay instead. They're level 30. A better profit that way, I'd reckon. Specially with all the nixes running (flying) around these days.

Angelgoddess - Heavens Tear

Ill try it

Adultery - Heavens Tear

This isn't actually a bad idea, not bad at all. I made this Veno mainly for fun and experiments with certain pets, builds, etc. I'll give it a shot for a few days, see how much I make and I'll get back to you. (..once I hit 29 of course!)

Renara - Heavens Tear

As I worked on getting enough in-game coin to buy my Hercules, I too noted that solo TT runs were becoming less profitable due to the law of supply and demand. I also noted that I was receiving negligible experience from them, and that since I couldn't reset the instance without assistance, I was limited to just one run every once in a while. And I was wasting time traveling there, collecting mats for substances, etc. I eventually decided solo TT wasn't worthwhile, and just ground out the rest of the money killing monsters outdoors.

However, I predict you'll find that your twinked-out 29 veno still won't earn money as fast as a 75. With the help of my Hercules, I can kill normal level 75 earth monsters in 3 shots, one each of Ironwood Scarab, Lucky Scarab, and Venomous Scarab. That's pretty fast! And I can fight continuously without meditation, pots, or charms, using just Nature's Grace, Soul Transfusion, and Metabolic Boost. I have no legendary gear except my Hercules. I only obtained him recently and saved all my coin for him.

That said, I nonetheless encourage you to perform your experiment, and I look forward to reading your report. I do think you'll come closer to a high-level veno's earning capability than most folks would expect. You have a gift for "thinking outside the box" that makes your posts entertaining and informative. Good luck, and thanks in advance for your efforts!

Trader_of_My - Lost City

OK, an idea seems gr8! Only one question tho:
* By finished Cultivation you mean FB19 too? Coz I'm not sure, but during FB19 it might be possible to gain a complete 100% of level! Correct me if I'm wrong! I sure hope I am!

Obsessed - Heavens Tear

I tried something similar with a cleric alt, pure mag, and all +mag equips, legendary(32?) magic sword. 2 shotted antelope pups and farmed between 250-350k an hour between hay(selling it 5k-6k back when it was in high demand) and DQ drops, depending how much attention I payed lol. I'm sure results will be similar, which is by far more money then solo TT runs.

However I can farm 1m+ an hour soloing TT1-1 squad mode(obviously need 4 people to open it) and it doesnt cost a sub to get in b:pleased

bobbeh

Renara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

However, I predict you'll find that your twinked-out 29 veno still won't earn money as fast as a 75. With the help of my Hercules, I can kill normal level 75 earth monsters in 3 shots, one each of Ironwood Scarab, Lucky Scarab, and Venomous Scarab. That's pretty fast! And I can fight continuously without meditation, pots, or charms, using just Nature's Grace, Soul Transfusion, and Metabolic Boost. I have no legendary gear except my Hercules. I only obtained him recently and saved all my coin for him.

At the moment (lvl66) I can grind about 150-200K in 2 hours if I get lucky. If we take fuzzles advice and grind solely for hay, I predict from experience about 20-25 hays per 2 hour session, not taking into account the dew of herbs that will drop (about 50 would be a conservative guess).

I'm not sure what the grinding efficiency is like at levels above 70 though. I however know that survival is a bit more difficult and you can't be as reckless/full-out when grinding.

OK, an idea seems gr8! Only one question tho:
* By finished Cultivation you mean FB19 too? Coz I'm not sure, but during FB19 it might be possible to gain a complete 100% of level! Correct me if I'm wrong! I sure hope I am!

There should be a cultivation quest at lvl 29 that leads to FB29.

Boza_Mishica - Lost City

OK but a question still standas! How much exp does FB29 give in %?

Obsessed - Heavens Tear

It doesnt really matter how much it gives, you can get to 31(32/33 is still very high drop rate. though starts dropping off signifigantly at 34) without effecting hay drop rates, which is probably the best thing a character in that level range can farm.

XAsch - Sanctuary

Solo 1-3. Some Veno friends of mine have been doing it, non-stop, for the past week, and about 3 are close to getting Herc's. b:chuckle

Boza_Mishica - Lost City

Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It doesnt really matter how much it gives, you can get to 31(32/33 is still very high drop rate. though starts dropping off signifigantly at 34) without effecting hay drop rates, which is probably the best thing a character in that level range can farm.

You miss the point!
At lvl29 you can't get PKed on Lost City! That's why its important you don't get to lvl30!

That's why I asked if its safe to do FB29(So you don't get to 30) starting it with 0% exp at lvl29?

Obsessed - Heavens Tear

Boza_Mishica - Lost City wrote: »

You miss the point!
At lvl29 you can't get PKed on Lost City! That's why its important you don't get to lvl30!

That's why I asked if its safe to do FB29(So you don't get to 30) starting it with 0% exp at lvl29?

Ah, touche. Well, I can assure you fb29 wont give you a full level lol. 20% tops, if that.

Though if your character is a pure money farmer, I cant see how you would deficit from being randomly pked(which doesnt happen that often), a minor inconveinece and a 10 second walk.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

bobbeh wrote: »

At the moment (lvl66) I can grind about 150-200K in 2 hours if I get lucky. If we take fuzzles advice and grind solely for hay, I predict from experience about 20-25 hays per 2 hour session, not taking into account the dew of herbs that will drop (about 50 would be a conservative guess).

Only level 53 here, but the Shrunchkins by King's Feast were just awesome. I had the quest to kill 55 berserkers and get 22 of some item from the sharpshooters. There are several spots by the village with one berserker and one sharpshooter. It took me about 30 seconds to kill one, and their respawn rate was almost exactly the same. So it was basically non-stop fighting the entire time, no running around looking for something to kill.

I finished both quests in a little over an hour (figure about 110 mobs total). Got 44 ghost charms @ 2150/ea, and 9 yin-yang charms @ 2500/ea. Also 12 compound thread. The charms work out to 117k. Misc. loot and coin put the overall haul at around 170k, which is around 150k/hr. I'm a light veno build and my equipment is not spectacular, so someone could probably camp two of these spots, killing 4 every 60-90 seconds with very little wasted time, possibly doubling my kill rate.

The only hitch is I'm beginning to suspect that drop rates are increased when you have a quest to kill the mobs. The drop rates above are higher than listed in pwdatabase. And in several other cases I've noticed the drop rate seemed to plummet right after I finished a quest for the mobs. I'm gonna try them again without the quest and see how it goes. Edit: If I'm right, it may be beneficial to get the quest, kill the mobs, trash the quest, get the quest again, and repeat.

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Ok, tried the Shrunchkins again. Killed 70 in 30 minutes. 12998 coin, 12 ghost charms, 4 yin-yang charms, 3 compound thread, 2 broken verdant thread. I forgot to write down starting # of potions so I don't know how many of those dropped. I could've killed a few more, but some people came by and camped the neighboring spawn, so I spent a little time waiting for respawns (probably a minute or two max).

Extrapolated to 1 hr, this works out to: 140 mobs, 25996 coin, 24 ghost charms, 8 yin-yang charms. That's 25996 + 24*2150 + 8*2500 = 97,596 coin per hour.

Expected drop rate for 140 mobs according to pwdatabase would've been 22960 coin, 31 ghost charms, 7 yin-yang charms, 7 compound thread. That's 22960 + 31*2150 + 7*2500 = 107,110 coin per hour.

My previous time (with quest active) had a much better drop rate. I'm gonna try this again next time I get a lengthy mob kill quest to see if my "better drop rate with quest" theory holds up. I'm just sad I can't do it anymore with shrunchkins because they're such an easy grind.

xtinct23

Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It doesnt really matter how much it gives, you can get to 31(32/33 is still very high drop rate. though starts dropping off signifigantly at 34) without effecting hay drop rates, which is probably the best thing a character in that level range can farm.

Dull Claw > Hay for money.

Obsessed - Heavens Tear

xtinct23 wrote: »

Dull Claw > Hay for money.

Not by much, and in my experiences hay is a lot easier to sell too. Not that I really care... I TT farm anyways.

Btw. solod 1-3 squad mode yesterday, well I skipped mirror guy/drummer(going to try them today). 2chin plate, 2 gold armor shard, 4 ancient serpants blood, 2 apocolypse pages (plus a few mirages and klunkys) all in 2 hours.

Avg. about 1.8mil~ an hour? Granted drops will varry and are pretty random, it's still quite high revenues.

Celkia - Sanctuary

Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not by much, and in my experiences hay is a lot easier to sell too. Not that I really care... I TT farm anyways.

Btw. solod 1-3 squad mode yesterday, well I skipped mirror guy/drummer(going to try them today). 2chin plate, 2 gold armor shard, 4 ancient serpants blood, 2 apocolypse pages (plus a few mirages and klunkys) all in 2 hours.

Avg. about 1.8mil~ an hour? Granted drops will varry and are pretty random, it's still quite high revenues.

with what pet?
herc?

Obsessed - Heavens Tear

Yeah. With my herc(lvl 82) b:pleased

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Extrapolated to 1 hr, this works out to: 140 mobs, 25996 coin, 24 ghost charms, 8 yin-yang charms. That's 25996 + 24*2150 + 8*2500 = 97,596 coin per hour.

Expected drop rate for 140 mobs according to pwdatabase would've been 22960 coin, 31 ghost charms, 7 yin-yang charms, 7 compound thread. That's 22960 + 31*2150 + 7*2500 = 107,110 coin per hour.

2nd half. Level 30 alt (my first veno with somewhat messed up stats - no big deal in this case since the ratio of mag to level is about the same as my 53 veno). Picked a nice spot and killed antelope pups, longlegged toxicons, and torgim warriors (you all know this spot if you've farmed hay). Kill rate was about 1 mob per 10 seconds, with 5-10 sec spent finding and getting to the next mob.

In 30 min I got 8493 coin, 10 dew of herbs, 5 element fragments, 5 honey dew, 4 hay, 2 purified oil, and 2 misc drops.

Extrapolated to an hour this works out to: 16986 + 20*1350 + 10*1350 + 10*1350 = 70986 + whatever you can sell the hay for. If you can sell it for 5k/ea, that works out to 40k/hr for a total of 111k/hr, which makes this in the same ballpark as at level 53.

In addition, all the DQ drops have non-DQ quests which require them, especially the element fragments. So if you cat shopped the DQ drops, you could make quite a bit more. You could also cat shop the oil, fur, glue, etc for about 2.5k-3k apiece. Best case with selling stuff at cat shops, by my reckoning you could clear almost 150k/hr.

So the level 30 farmer might actually work compared to plain grinding at higher levels. Dunno about TT runs as I can't do them yet.

(Edit: I went with level 30 instead of 29 because at 30, venomous scarab gets upgraded, you can fly and farm air mobs, you can use perfect potions that drop from level 30 mobs, you can use tier II apothecary items like focus powder, and you qualify for the rank I gear. The potions and powder are important because you don't have nature's grace yet, and have to rely on them + soul transfusion to avoid meditating.)

Solandri - Heavens Tear

OK, I officially declare this A Very Good Idea. I put the DQ items, hay, and some mats I got from doing this onto a cat shop overnight; about 150k-200k worth if I'd sold it to a merchant. Checked this morning and I'd had half a million in sales. Yowzers.

bobbeh

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

OK, I officially declare this A Very Good Idea. I put the DQ items, hay, and some mats I got from doing this onto a cat shop overnight; about 150k-200k worth if I'd sold it to a merchant. Checked this morning and I'd had half a million in sales. Yowzers.

That's nice to hear. I might do this to work myself towards that hercules .

swgs

Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I tried something similar with a cleric alt, pure mag, and all +mag equips, legendary(32?) magic sword. 2 shotted antelope pups and farmed between 250-350k an hour between hay(selling it 5k-6k back when it was in high demand) and DQ drops, depending how much attention I payed lol. I'm sure results will be similar, which is by far more money then solo TT runs.

However I can farm 1m+ an hour soloing TT1-1 squad mode(obviously need 4 people to open it) and it doesnt cost a sub to get in b:pleased

How did you handle the AoE from second boss? without a blue ball, you will have to burn through your HP charm a lot, unless you are a heavy veno of course.

Obsessed - Heavens Tear

swgs wrote: »

How did you handle the AoE from second boss? without a blue ball, you will have to burn through your HP charm a lot, unless you are a heavy veno of course.

I'm a level 83 LA veno... if I switch to foxform I have pretty high pdef, and 1-1 drummers aoe only hits me for 300ish~400ish, I can just use leech skill to get my hp back. (also I dont bother fighting the mobs, I run through them straight to the boss, hp charm ticks a few times, but if you run through with bramble on its not too bad, saves a lot of time too.)


Anyways now I farm 1-3 and skip the aoe bosses b:pleased