Looking for a guide for fist BM
Ariakhan - Sanctuary
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I've been looking around and dont' really see any good guides for fist blademasters. I really want to try out a fist BM. Despite all the stuff I see on how bad the are supposed to be I think it would be worth giving a try. If anyone could help me out i'd greatly appreciate it.
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I'm currently writing a Fist Guide but it is still a work in progress so I can't post it yet. As a matter of fact, I am currently only level 39 and I want to experience the uses of the Fist BM more so before I make any accusations on how one should or shouldn't build a Fist BM.
But what I can tell you is how I am going about making my Fist BM. And might I add, he does GREAT in both PvP and Solo PvE. Haven't had the chance to take him out and AoE grind or anything yet but I will. Oh, and if you want a feel for it's strengths, I was able to solo the FB 19 at level 30. Wasn't a quick run but it was successful. (Everything but the boss!) But anyways, here's what I am doing...
STATS: 3 STR / 4 DEX / 3 VIT every 2 levels
Yes, this is a Light Armor build! And it is working out GREAT!!! I went with Light Armor because I wanted every point possible into VIT. Why? Because if we do low damage, then we need to survive long enough to deliver enough damage over time to kill our enemies. Plus, Diamond Sutra instantly recovers 20% of our health each time we use it. (It's not a fixed number but a percentage.) Not to mention, we build Chi so quick that we can spam Diamond Sutra and Spark Eruption for that extra damage boost! Compared to ANY OTHER BM I have every tried, I feel GODLY on my Fist BM!! But that's just me.
As far as skills:
-- "Diamond Sutra" is a MUST as I'm sure you figured out!
-- "Spark Eruption" is a MUST!
-- "Fist Mastery" is a MUST!
-- "Draw Blood" is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!
-- "Aura of the Golden Bell" is a MUST!
-- "Roar of the Pride" is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!
-- "Fist Tree Skills" is a MUST!
-- "Aeolian Blade" is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!
From here, use your better judgment to decide what skills to get and not to get. I like the "Tiger Leap" and "Leap Back." I will max them eventually but they are only level 1 right now. Oh, and the Marrows. I'll Max them as well.
But like I said, my Fist BM is still a work in progress so these skills my not prove to be as important to a Fist BM at later levels.
OH, Oh! and get yourself buffed as much as possible between levels 20 - 30! It'll help alot. Once you get Diamond Sutra, you become a GOD! (If you learn to use it correctly that is, lol!)0 -
Would fist BMs benefit from Drake's Ray though? Cause they seem to have lower patk and i'm not sure whether to get it pass lv1 =x0
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Fist BMs Don't use attack skills.
It slows you down immensly.
Pattern of attack:
Attack->build a spark-> pop spark eruption/diamond sutra->repeat till dead
also, from lvls 1-29, be dual swords then switch over to fists.Back.0 -
Nayiro's right. I have a level 55 Fist BM and am currently trying to ger her up to 60 so I can use my Annihilator of Souls. Our advantage is the number of attacks we can dish out plus our crit rate. Skills are mainly used for their effects not to increase our DPS. Most efficient way to grind is what Nayiro said. Norm attacks, spark eruption, and diamond sutra are your most used skills.
Personally, I went with a Heavy Armor build and capped my Vit at 30. I have low HP, but the extra strength ups my damage considerably. Plus, I'm dealing with mostly physical mobs so the heavy armor provides better protection. As for later on when most mobs start with a magic attack before going physical, that's what Shadowless Kick is for. I'm also planning on using HP shards and refining my armor to make up for the low vit.
A note on skills. Do not max Magical Marrow. Our magic defense is fairly low and maxing Magic Marrow gives a small increase in magic defense at the cost of a huge decrease in physical defense. It's not worth the spirit, coins, or lost physical defense. Leave Magical Marrow at somewhere between 2-4. Conversely, max Physical Marrow since you need all the physical defense you can get.
I've never found a use for Tiger Leap or Leap Back. If I wanted to get in close fast, I'd use Cloud Sprint plus Shadowless Kick to take care of any magical attacks. That doesn't mean there isn't a use for them. They don't really fit into my play-style, but they might work for you.
Lastly, the first fist skill, Vacuous Palm, is useless. It does the same thing Ocean's Edge does, but costs a spark. I'd leave it at level 1 and save my spirit points for Shadowless Kick.0 -
Actually, even I agree with Nayiro. Swords will help you out a lot until you reach level 30 when you can get your legendary fists. And I do suggest saving 250k to 300k to get them!
Oh, I did not get Drakes Ray, and I still don't have it. Honestly, I don't see a real need for it unless you need to pull a mob from a pack. But even then, I take on 3 mobs of the same level as me at a time and do real well with Diamond Sutra and maybe a pot here or there.
And Also, I agree with Vidalaire. If you go with heavy armor, don't max Magical Marrow. But if you go with light armor, you may find it more useful. I also agree with Vidalaire about Vacuous Palm. Mine is still onyl level 1 and I am debating on weather or not to level it but now I think I will leave it at level 1. As far as the leaps, they help out during PvP for myself. But again, that's my play style. Duck and Move. "Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee." lol
EDIT: Oh and one other thing...Personally, I went with a Heavy Armor build and capped my Vit at 30. I have low HP, but the extra strength ups my damage considerably.
The Fist BM isn't designed to deal high damage! Just think about that.0 -
I never said Fist BMs have high damage. I know our damage is low compared to other BMs, but I'm sure my damage is higher than a light armor Fist BM of the same level. I prefer pumping strength to increase my base damage rather than putting the points into vitality. I can easily get the HP from shards and refining my armor. A high crit rate is useless if your base damage is ****.0
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Sadism - Lost City wrote: »
Yes, this is a Light Armor build! And it is working out GREAT!!! I went with Light Armor because I wanted every point possible into VIT. Why? Because if we do low damage, then we need to survive long enough to deliver enough damage over time to kill our enemies.
Wrong. Heavy Armor is better for any Warrior. Why? Even tho you will have way less vitality going str req for heavy armor, dex req for fist. In this game the amount of HP vitality adds is worth ignoring. In fact you get much more hp from hp stones and refining because you get a way better bonus from refining heavy armor than refining light armor.
Therefore
Heavy Armor HP > Light Armor HP
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Sadism - Lost City wrote: »Actually, even I agree with Nayiro. Swords will help you out a lot until you reach level 30 when you can get your legendary fists. And I do suggest saving 250k to 300k to get them!
Ahh is there a legendary fist available at lv 30? The only one I heard of is the Annihilator of Souls. O:0 -
So for the heavy armor fist bm
5 str/ 4 dex / 1 vit every 2 lvl?0 -
Vidalaire - Heavens Tear wrote: »I never said Fist BMs have high damage. I know our damage is low compared to other BMs, but I'm sure my damage is higher than a light armor Fist BM of the same level. I prefer pumping strength to increase my base damage rather than putting the points into vitality. I can easily get the HP from shards and refining my armor. A high crit rate is useless if your base damage is ****.Wrong. Heavy Armor is better for any Warrior. Why? Even tho you will have way less vitality going str req for heavy armor, dex req for fist. In this game the amount of HP vitality adds is worth ignoring. In fact you get much more hp from hp stones and refining because you get a way better bonus from refining heavy armor than refining light armor.
Therefore
Heavy Armor HP > Light Armor HP
/thread.
Both of them are correct. Going Light Armor is not worth it.grantmills wrote: »So for the heavy armor fist bm
5 str/ 4 dex / 1 vit every 2 lvl?
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alright first off i don't recomend LA, not to say its imposible but i love my Pdef and Matacks i can cancel half of them (most mobs/bosses use it every 4 P atacks, shadowless just about rechanges as i get hit with the 2nd) and i CAN tank, granted all my armor adds HP or Pdef (3*'s with +60 or mroe hp or +167 pdef or more) im lv 76 and tank most bosses my lv or higher. of course im married to a cleric :P that couldn't hurt, but fact remains with a cleric i can tank alot. now im NOT saying im a barb, in the tanking department i will step aside for any barb within 10 lvs of me. and to those who say fists arn't ment for high dmg u are dead wrong, fists aim for the highest DPS possible, the way to get to that first and formost is atackspeed, so invetervals are a must, but we all knew that. higher can be awsome because obviously hitting 1k each hit compared to 750 leads to a 33% increase in dmg. aside from that more str= more weapons >D. i use axes around my lv (started using TT70 axes at lv 76) and i find those helpfull for aoes which most BM's should do as our main job is mob control
ok i know i went on tangents alot but i had alot of points to hit ._. uhhh i rather like this thread because its not a my way is best /thread kind of thing so i think ill be posting again >D but to end my argument off, i love my fist BM, atm i have 30 base vit, around 50 with equips, 4k hp, 212 str with equips and 160 dex with equips, and buffed 8k Pdef (cleric buffs as well), and around 1.8-2.3k Mdef on each. all of my eqiups are +1 or 2 using mirages, and i started using tokens to get flawless shards but alot still have averages. there isn't much i can't take alone, my 2nd wind heals for half my hp, sutra rocks and i carry lv 50 pots and remides at all times. i've been a fist since day one and i have no regrets :P. anyone wanna refute my build? i'd love to hear input
as a total side note to the magical atacks i mentioned earlier, u'll find that hard hitting magics will blow away a nice chunk of ur hp (1/2-1/4th of ur hp depending on refines and junk) so a helpfull hint to any fists, use shadowless (duh) but if u have a sin in ur party make sure he uses rib strike, this will lower atackspeed and have shadowless recharge fast enough to interupt EVERY magical atack. failing that time ur sparks well enough so that u resist the 2nd one and are ready to inturpt the 2nd one. this will make ur boss fights so much easier :P and if ur confident u can use ur physical marrow to greatly decrease dmg done.0 -
Necro -_-.0
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In my personal opinion, light armor is a TERRIBLE choice for a blademaster, why? you're as squishy as an archer but you cannot keep your distance from your enemy as they do, we BMs are a close combat class, we need armor that can stand melee hits, even if you have a large hp bar, it will be useless if you're taking twice as much damage a regular BM takes
I suggest not to use fists as a starting weapon, because of the path being so demanding about dex, fists truly start to shine around lvl 60-70, i branched to fists until i was 79! and did great with sword as my main weapon and axes as auxiliary ones, now about fist tree skills:
fist mastery: a MUST, max it, no excuses
vacuous palm: waste of a perfectly good spark, leave it at level one and never use it
shadowless kick: awesome skill but leveling it won't reduce cooldown, leave it at lvl 1 since you want it to interrupt, not to DD
cyclone heel/whirlwind cloud: awesome skill to increase your attack speed AND has AOE, max it as soon as possible
drake's breath bash: i heard there's a glitch that makes it useful, if you don't know how to use it (like me) don't bother even learning it, 2 sparks are best employed in heaven's flame or at least double spark, will give you more dps than fist ulti0 -
honestly why do ppl ask for builds.... go look it up read all those guides out there then make your own. I've done it, currently a 90 BM with no real plans to lv higher for personal reasons but i score high in events (9th-12th place for each monday event so far) running my own build i made myself. I started 5 str 1 vit 4 dex, then capped my dex at lv 75 started pumping str, when i felt i had enough (about 10 over req's for TT80 axes) i pumped some vit and dex to get ready for lunar claws and so i could tank more. i tend to help alot of ppl so the hp is nice to have (i can also tank the big pull if the barb dies... with bloodpaint that is ;D) i am beyond happy with my build and i've never regretted my stats. if u make a mistake by the 50's u always have enough time to fix it.... unless u added magic... then i don't know what to say0
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Double necro -_-.0
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I was going to put in Vit, but then I realized, if I have Bloodpaint, I'll be receiving HP as well as having great protection from HA. It's up to you on what you choose. But pure fist build is 3 str, 2 dex, every level. I'm going with that...choose what you want. b:mischievous0
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Triple necro -_-.0
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Sadism - Lost City wrote: »I'm currently writing a Fist Guide but it is still a work in progress so I can't post it yet. As a matter of fact, I am currently only level 39 and I want to experience the uses of the Fist BM more so before I make any accusations on how one should or shouldn't build a Fist BM.
But what I can tell you is how I am going about making my Fist BM. And might I add, he does GREAT in both PvP and Solo PvE. Haven't had the chance to take him out and AoE grind or anything yet but I will. Oh, and if you want a feel for it's strengths, I was able to solo the FB 19 at level 30. Wasn't a quick run but it was successful. (Everything but the boss!) But anyways, here's what I am doing...
STATS: 3 STR / 4 DEX / 3 VIT every 2 levels
Yes, this is a Light Armor build! And it is working out GREAT!!! I went with Light Armor because I wanted every point possible into VIT. Why? Because if we do low damage, then we need to survive long enough to deliver enough damage over time to kill our enemies. Plus, Diamond Sutra instantly recovers 20% of our health each time we use it. (It's not a fixed number but a percentage.) Not to mention, we build Chi so quick that we can spam Diamond Sutra and Spark Eruption for that extra damage boost! Compared to ANY OTHER BM I have every tried, I feel GODLY on my Fist BM!! But that's just me.
LA IS THE WOREST ARMOR IN THE GAMe. the only time you should use it is at 100+ when it gives a -5 interval bonus and u can refine/shard enough to make up for the lack of pdef it gives.
As far as skills:
-- "Diamond Sutra" is a MUST as I'm sure you figured out!
-- "Spark Eruption" is a MUST!
-- "Fist Mastery" is a MUST!
-- "Draw Blood" is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!! this skill is useless-- "Aura of the Golden Bell" is a MUST!
-- "Roar of the Pride" is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!
-- "Fist Tree Skills" is a MUST! not really u can leave every skill at level 1 except for cyclone heel and drakes breath bash-- "Aeolian Blade" is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!! its an okey skill its just a quick stun
From here, use your better judgment to decide what skills to get and not to get. I like the "Tiger Leap" and "Leap Back." I will max them eventually but they are only level 1 right now. Oh, and the Marrows. I'll Max them as well. max magic marrow as soon as possible phys marrow u can lvl it if u want but currently mine is lvl 8. the leap skills r really usefull in pvp/pve/tw.
But like I said, my Fist BM is still a work in progress so these skills my not prove to be as important to a Fist BM at later levels.
OH, Oh! and get yourself buffed as much as possible between levels 20 - 30! It'll help alot. Once you get Diamond Sutra, you become a GOD! (If you learn to use it correctly that is, lol!)
you can really survive on life powders dont have to get cleric buffs as much.0 -
Fist_Mama - Harshlands wrote: »you can really survive on life powders dont have to get cleric buffs as much.
Why are you replying to a post made 1 year and 9 months ago? Doubt he'll see it or get back to you.0 -
wasnt looking at the post date saw it was at the top of the bm section and decided to comment on it0
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Someone Lock This Thread!0
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old thread is old
im hopeing somone will necro the "Fists may not suck" thread someday so i'll have an excuse to reread itb:cuteGifs are hard to make work here0
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