Dueling Etiquette??

Teseanna - Heavens Tear
Teseanna - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,021 Arc User
edited January 2009 in General Discussion
Well, now i wonder if there is some unspoken etiquette within the dueling community.

Often when i duel it never fails, someone says...
"You cheated!"

or...
"You used a potion!"


or my favorite...
"You used a pet!"

Most times i don't need to use a pet, but veno's are sorta nerfed that way right? When someone cries "no pets" i usually solo them and win anyway...

So, is there a "proper" way to duel?
I don't have buffs (only brambles) and i don't use any other remedies (chaos powder, ect...) so how am i cheating? b:bye

Thoughs?
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    People will always say you cheated if they don't win. Though in duels, its a common unspoken rule that you don't use potions and such to keep your hp up. For a veno, pets are fine. Blademasters can spam their stuns archers can try to get a distance and snipe you, clerics can have their buffs and heal themselves, you get the idea.
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  • Kelovar - Heavens Tear
    Kelovar - Heavens Tear Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Using potions is a no-no in duels. Kind of the unspoken universal duelling rule. Dueling with buffs from someone else may be considered as cheating by some (e.g. blademaster with cleric buffs).
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  • Fallenangelx - Heavens Tear
    Fallenangelx - Heavens Tear Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    you can use ur respective class skills and i think mp pots are allowed, just no hp pots.
  • XxTORMENTAxx - Heavens Tear
    XxTORMENTAxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    I should point out that I do believe in fair play myself and having some tpye of rules setup during a duel BUT........

    This may seem negative but it is how I see real life descisions by people. In battle no matter how many rules you may develop and set up you will find there will be people who bend or break rules because they do not need to follow them. No matter how mean that may seem and how much someone hates them for them there will always be the villian who is designed to act that way.
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  • turonga
    turonga Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    I've already gotten,"You Healed!," cause its my skill I tell them and they go off with a spasm cause I'm right and theres nothing to really counter act with the saying.
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    turonga wrote: »
    I've already gotten,"You Healed!," cause its my skill I tell them and they go off with a spasm cause I'm right and theres nothing to really counter act with the saying.

    If its a class skill that let you heal, they can complain all they want there is nothing against that.
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  • jemima
    jemima Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Basically, the rules are what was decided upon beforehand, with the exception of no pots. The other one is <30 duels where only one of them is an elf, no flying is also common.

    If they whine about you using a pet, or something they made up just then, then just ignore them, or if you feel like it start abusing them back.

    Especially since something like using a pet they can see from the start of the duel, so they missed their chance to complain. It's not like you hide the pet for most of the duel and only summoned it halfway through.
  • Terevan - Sanctuary
    Terevan - Sanctuary Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If its a class skill that let you heal, they can complain all they want there is nothing against that.

    Complaining that a cleric healed themselves during a battle would be on par with calling out a BM for getting in close and doing lots melee dmg or that an archer booked it and tried to kite you from max range.
  • bobzilla21
    bobzilla21 Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    it's not good to have a person outside the duel heal you, too.
    I dueled someone 15 lvls lower than me who had a cleric constantly heal them, and I lost...
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  • Orda - Sanctuary
    Orda - Sanctuary Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    i would be correct to say that it is POSSIBLE to use health pots during duels, yes?

    Personally, i'm not one to really go along with this 'honor' ****. It's an online game, it *really* doesnt apply.
  • XAsch - Sanctuary
    XAsch - Sanctuary Posts: 855 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    POT's are used by weak people who can't beat you otherwise. b:bye
  • Orda - Sanctuary
    Orda - Sanctuary Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    XAsch - Sanctuary wrote: »
    POT's are used by weak people who can't beat you otherwise. b:bye

    The exact kind of person that I was inadvertadly attempting to attract, and it worked, so now i can go on with the discussion.

    Would it not be more effective to use whatever recources you have avilable, if it results in you standing over the other player's corpse? A win is a win, no matter how you go about it, and it even comes with an announcement message.
  • ElMieda - Heavens Tear
    ElMieda - Heavens Tear Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Orda - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The exact kind of person that I was inadvertadly attempting to attract, and it worked, so now i can go on with the discussion.

    Would it not be more effective to use whatever recources you have avilable, if it results in you standing over the other player's corpse? A win is a win, no matter how you go about it, and it even comes with an announcement message.

    Personally, I just don't think that's any fun. If you used supplies and your opponent didn't, and because of that you won, the win feels artificial.

    In the back of your mind you'll be saying you didn't win because of your skill, you won because you threw out your supplies.
  • XAsch - Sanctuary
    XAsch - Sanctuary Posts: 855 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Orda - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The exact kind of person that I was inadvertadly attempting to attract, and it worked, so now i can go on with the discussion.

    Would it not be more effective to use whatever recources you have avilable, if it results in you standing over the other player's corpse? A win is a win, no matter how you go about it, and it even comes with an announcement message.

    Yay, I'm glad your hard work paid off!

    On topic; every person I've ever dueled, has never used POT's, out of respect. As an example - A cleric uses a HP potion to recover what, a max of 2k HP at lv70, granted they're pure Magic, as opposed to a lv70 barb, who has 8k HP. Fair? No. So out of respect for people who gain no real advantage of POTTING, I, nor anyone I know (apart from Ps_GG for some reason), ever use POT's against any class.

    As for my prior comment, in my opinion, it's true. If we don't use POT's, and you do, just so you can try to gain an advantage, it's obviously because you're unable to beat us. In which case, don't duel us to begin with.

    Simple, really. b:victory
  • Gonzu - Heavens Tear
    Gonzu - Heavens Tear Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    It's no point in ACCEPTING duels in this game since they just run away and hop on their flying mount when they are about to lose.

    Or the brawlbear that wants to duel you are many levels higher with a green glowing weapon.
  • Malcuid - Sanctuary
    Malcuid - Sanctuary Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    why would you run away if you accept a duel? If you lose , you don't loose anything, except maybe your pride :p
  • Orda - Sanctuary
    Orda - Sanctuary Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Well i do suppose that if everyone decided to start using pots, it would turn into a 'i have more money therefore i win-fest'.

    But until most of the players decide to stop being decent people, only a few of us will be 'disrespectful' to people we have or will never meet out in the real world. b:pleased
  • Gonzu - Heavens Tear
    Gonzu - Heavens Tear Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Malcuid - Sanctuary wrote: »
    why would you run away if you accept a duel? If you lose , you don't loose anything, except maybe your pride :p

    I think that you just answered your own question. b:chuckle
  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    This is exactly why I hardly ever duel. All kind of unstated rules. Does the no healing-rule also goes for things like chaospowder and other apothecary stuff?
    To be honest, what is the difference in using pots against someone not using them, or using a 3star armor with 2 soulgems, against someone having a basic 1star armor without anything?
    For me all items in your inventory are just like equipment, or skills. And on top of that, you don't lose anything when losing a duel.
  • Nayiro - Sanctuary
    Nayiro - Sanctuary Posts: 1,275 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    The best thing is when they DO use pots and you STILL beat them xD
    I once dueled a veno same lvl as me with a cleric on her, and i still won. That was a LOL moment.
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  • XxTORMENTAxx - Heavens Tear
    XxTORMENTAxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    HAHAHAHAHAHA.....

    Reading so many of your replies this Friday morning has put a smile on my face. I think this is so funny how some people ACTUALLY THINK that they can place rules in a battle type scenerio.

    One of the fellows thre had a fantastic point and all you potion haters need to read it about 100 times to get into your head.

    What makes it fair if so called "No potion in a fight Barb" has uberliscious suped up armour/weapons and is dueling someone who does not happen to spend time and/or real cash to get so strong so only has normal non- enhanced armour/weapon. You have to be kidding me if any of you think that is fair......

    I contantly hear after duels. "Why is that he/she does so much more damage than me" And the so called Honourable winner just smirks knowing that they got so much Candy Smacked upgrades to their equipment they were still holding back.

    I figure this is enough chatting.....Thanks for the smiles though people and top notch statement pointing out the suped up armour/weaopns being fair or not..
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  • Hederamas - Lost City
    Hederamas - Lost City Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    what about hp guardians? i havent been in a duel with one that i can think of, but if these are active during a duel, a player cant simply turn it off... so he cant help 'cheating'... i think this is why im happy being on a pvp server, if you really wanted to show what you got, you'll go all out for honor... tho there are some people who abuse that *cough*
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  • TiVan - Heavens Tear
    TiVan - Heavens Tear Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Well if you think that suped up armor is unfair, then why would some one challenge a player that has it on? You don't HAVE to duel any one on a PvE server, let alone just fighting them. I myself have turned down many a duel b:chuckle
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  • bluewater
    bluewater Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    What the heck is the point of using pot on duels? It'll then become a contest of who has more pot.
  • XxTORMENTAxx - Heavens Tear
    XxTORMENTAxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    There will always be whinners when it comes to Dueling. I am pointing to all of you who think that using any means necesary to win is unfair.

    Side note: For all you who have these so called rules, can you give me the link of it on an online store so I can purchase it. Last time I checked there were no rules in battle.

    There has been a lot of distortion here of what is right and wrong when it comes to dueling. That sure sounds like how humanity truly is?? Distorting who is the good versus who is the side of evil.
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  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    I totaly agree with tormenta. Unless the 2 players have fixed some rules between them before they started, there is no reason not to use any pots. Pots are part of your equipment, and if you're well prepared, you'll have a better chance to win.
    On top of that, the common hp pots really don't give all that much hp compared to their cooldowntime. Even I can take them away in 1 hit, and I'm a pure tankbuild barb going usually in tigerform. And as for all the apothecary stuff, you can only use 1, max 2 of them in a duel.
    If you want a potless duel, just make an agrement with the other before challeging him/her.
  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Malcuid - Sanctuary wrote: »
    why would you run away if you accept a duel? If you lose , you don't loose anything, except maybe your pride :p

    I would think it would be a greater loss of pride to fly away whimpering than to accept the defeat and congratulate the victor.
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  • silverkitty
    silverkitty Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Potions or not, dueling someone with real DD capabilities means the battle is over while you're busily clicking your potion instead of a damaging skill.

    The biggest argument not to use potions in a duel is selfishness - you aren't going to lose anything but pride, so save your potions for battles with things that can actually kill you. If your opponent wants to waste their resources, well, they'll be poorer for it. The idea that potions are dishonorable is as ridiculous as the idea that your gear is dishonorable -- the only "fair" duel is two people with the same stats, same skill levels, same gear, same level, same buffs, and same ping time to the server. Any variance is potentially "unfair".

    Side note: someone asked about hp guardian charms: just pointing out, the game disables these during a duel -- though the loser (and possibly the winner) will tick their charm after the duel is over (which is why in a dungeon duelling for chi, you want to heal up and "draw" the duel by distance - to conserve charm)
  • ElMieda - Heavens Tear
    ElMieda - Heavens Tear Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This is exactly why I hardly ever duel. All kind of unstated rules. Does the no healing-rule also goes for things like chaospowder and other apothecary stuff?
    To be honest, what is the difference in using pots against someone not using them, or using a 3star armor with 2 soulgems, against someone having a basic 1star armor without anything?
    For me all items in your inventory are just like equipment, or skills. And on top of that, you don't lose anything when losing a duel.

    First off, why would you want to waste your supplies on a DUEL? Second of all, if you must use supplies to have an advantage, you probably aren't really good.
  • XxTORMENTAxx - Heavens Tear
    XxTORMENTAxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Written by ElMieda:First off, why would you want to waste your supplies on a DUEL? Second of all, if you must use supplies to have an advantage, you probably aren't really good.

    That is such a general statement that does not makes sense. What you are really doing is childish trash talking.

    I could say to someone, if you use that 3 star armour blah blah blah to protect you from my **** slappin, than you suck. You have to use normal armour to make it fair. b:cry

    People can try all they want but will not come up with anything that makes sense about how fighting a certain way makes you better than others and/or fair b:victory
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