About Botting policy in game.

Akaiakai - Heavens Tear

So some players get off lightly from botting because they spent alot of real money in the game while others get a permenent ban.
And now GMs do not allow community to know that someone is a botter by closing/editing threads.
I'm really interested in knowing the company's stand regarding botting.
*wonders if this thread going to be closed too , i didn't mention the botter name*

Nevdemo - Sanctuary

In fact, the "don't discuss bans in the Forums" rule isn't exclusive of Perfect World. Other companies, like IGG also have the same policy, mostly because bans are a private matter, and because some popular users in the forum used that to their advantage in order to avoid a punishment. It also worked the opposite way.

Sadly, as money is the primary focus for releasing this game, it's obvious that they will be "softer" with cheaters who have bought a good amount of Cash shop items... After all, they'd rather like to have 100 cheaters who spend money than thousands of honest players who don't spend a dime.

However, as long as your post isn't reporting anyone or discussing a ban on a user, Mod's can't close it. So, discussing the punishment for botting or the policy itself isn't against the rules.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Nevdemo - Sanctuary wrote: »

In fact, the "don't discuss bans in the Forums" rule isn't exclusive of Perfect World. Other companies, like IGG also have the same policy, mostly because bans are a private matter, and because some popular users in the forum used that to their advantage in order to avoid a punishment.

Sadly, as money is the primary focus for releasing this game, it's obvious that they will be "softer" with cheaters who have bought a good amount of Cash shop items... After all, they'd rather like to have 100 cheaters who spend money than thousands of honest players who don't spend a dime.

Well thats sure not what they told me. I came right out and asked about that. GM said he does not care how much you spend on this game, he'll ban you just as fast as if you spent nothing.

This "paying players get off easy" is something that always comes up in every CS based mmo and its never true. In the last game I played, the more a player would say something like "you can't ban me I spend a lot in your cash shop" the more the GM would WANT to ban them.

Tailynne - Lost City

Where are you guys getting your info about this spend money don't get banned ideology?

Nevdemo - Sanctuary

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well thats sure not what they told me. I came right out and asked about that. GM said he does not care how much you spend on this game, he'll ban you just as fast as if you spent nothing.

This "paying players get off easy" is something that always comes up in every CS based mmo and its never true. In the last game I played, the more a player would say something like "you can't ban me I spend a lot in your cash shop" the more the GM would WANT to ban them.

Zoe, I was actually a GM on :cough:an un-named MMORPG:cough:, and was able to see with my own eyes how the leader of one of the top guilds botted his character, and forced his mates to bot too, in order to keep their status. 3 GM's asked for a ban over them, and it sure was a hard time convincing the admins of that, while, in other cases, botters were banned almost an hour after being reported by us. When asking them the reason, they actually said that the guild leader bought around 100 dollars worth of CS items every month, so if we wanted to ban him, we would have to present "heavy evidence" of his actions.

Of course, maybe I'm wrong, and in this game, things are different. But after seeing some "preference" to some users who break the rules both in the game and forums, I have to think otherwise...

lazyness

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well thats sure not what they told me. I came right out and asked about that. GM said he does not care how much you spend on this game, he'll ban you just as fast as if you spent nothing.

This "paying players get off easy" is something that always comes up in every CS based mmo and its never true. In the last game I played, the more a player would say something like "you can't ban me I spend a lot in your cash shop" the more the GM would WANT to ban them.

Of course the GM is going to say that...

Do u really expect them to say they are more lenient on heavy cash shop users than players who don't spend a cent on the game? They would never publicly admit that, even if it was obvious that it was happening.

Your second point, why would GMs want to ban players who spend a lot? GMs are employed by the company, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if, in certain games, they were ordered by their superiors to go easier on heavy cash shop users.

I don't know what makes u think that "paying players get off easy" is never true, because in many many cases, it certainly is, and this is highlighted by a certain recent case on PWI (either that, or the GMs really need to reconsider the punishment for botting).

Currently, there isnt enough of a disincentive to bot, if you can call it that. A 3 day ban for botting is beyond a joke.

gattsuru

Okay. A few things.

First of all, please do not bring up, either to promote or to bash, other MMOs on these forums, Nevdemo.

Secondly, the rules, just like real life rules, are about protecting the innocent, not the horribly, horribly guilty. I've got little problem stringing up said horribly, horribly guilty... but it's only fair to players if we err on the side of caution. There's a reason I've... carefully ignored a few threads with the more obvious ToS violators named, other than to cut out a bit of free advertising. Accusations of any Terms of Service violation, especially botting in a MMORPG, are not to be taken lightly. False accusations (and I've seen players falsely accused) can scare off new players, frighten inexperienced ones, or turn guildmate against guildmate.

Anything involving disciplinary actions are private matters. The game's live team are the only people who can do a thing about it, so they're they only people who need to know a thing about it.

Finally, if you want to ask PWE staff something, that's what the Support Ticketing function is for. In fact, and unsurprisingly, that's specifically codified in the rules : The forums are not the place for you to address your inquiry to PW Staff Members. Any and all inquiries should be made through our ticketing system.

Information on the punishments for violations of the Terms of Service can be found here. I don't see a payscale listed anywhere.

If you have further questions, please PM me, another moderator, or an Administrator.