Wizards suck in PvP

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  • Temblor - Harshlands
    Temblor - Harshlands Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    But, to be fair to spirea, undine strike only reduces resistances by 60%, and someone with a level 43 cleric's Magic Shell...

    Still no chance against a sutra combo.
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  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Temblor - Harshlands wrote: »
    Still no chance against a sutra combo.

    If the cleric sees it coming plume shell and b:bye.......other then that if he has hp charm or uses ToP i think he will live if hes an Arcane cleric
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    same thing can be said about a wizz.
    ToP, charm, HP restore pots, etc.
    We can go on forever.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Temblor - Harshlands wrote: »
    Still no chance against a sutra combo.
    I don't know what level 30's you target, but simply popping sutra will not win you any fight at a decent level, you can get stunned out of it, you can die while doing it and honestly in most cases it won't kill your target either. Wizards will seal, clerics can purify your undine and heal themselves or put you to sleep, BM/Barbs can stun and have enough HP to tank a lot of it if not all if there's no crits, Archers can stun and have winged shell + wings of grace and you're **** if you waste sutra on an archer anyway. Veno's can stun/bramble.
    Fireblood - Harshlands wrote: »
    If the cleric sees it coming plume shell and b:bye.......other then that if he has hp charm or uses ToP i think he will live if hes an Arcane cleric
    Do you even know what plume shell does? It's not going to do anything against a wizard using sutra, it does nothing for magic damage. It's only for Blade Tempest since it's half physical.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Clerics will more likely sleep ya, best to use adrenaline surge as you begin and hope they don't run out of range or kill you. Still Sutra's not great against robes.
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  • Temblor - Harshlands
    Temblor - Harshlands Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't know what level 30's you target, but simply popping sutra will not win you any fight at a decent level, you can get stunned out of it, you can die while doing it and honestly in most cases it won't kill your target either. Wizards will seal, clerics can purify your undine and heal themselves or put you to sleep, BM/Barbs can stun and have enough HP to tank a lot of it if not all if there's no crits, Archers can stun and have winged shell + wings of grace and you're **** if you waste sutra on an archer anyway. Veno's can stun/bramble.

    I didn't say the sutra combo it's flawless. But I do know that a succesful one kills any player (arcane with undine effect). Any class can get intrerupted, stuned or have its skill resisted (pots). All I'm saying is wizards are seen as being weak because they get their pvp skills at lvl 79. 90+ the wizard isn't weak at all.
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Do you even know what plume shell does? It's not going to do anything against a wizard using sutra, it does nothing for magic damage. It's only for Blade Tempest since it's half physical.

    That is true. Plume doesn't block magic.
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  • Temblor - Harshlands
    Temblor - Harshlands Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Witchburner - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Clerics will more likely sleep ya, best to use adrenaline surge as you begin and hope they don't run out of range or kill you. Still Sutra's not great against robes.

    You're not gonna tell me now that clerics can win against a wizard at 90+ like they do at lvl30.
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    no, they obviously can't.
    But still they are a menace.
    Sleep/tempest does some nice dmg, problem is after the first hit the opponent wakes up. So it's not like u sleep someone for 30 sec and u have time to hit it with whatever during that. What sleep does is ensure the other is not attaking.
    Now, wizzies one awaken can FoW and the cleric wont attk for about 5 sec. We can squeeze some nice dmg in there, sleep at end and get another hit if needed. That's in theory without sleep res pots/genie , cause then the discussion becomes endless.
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  • Jrudora - Lost City
    Jrudora - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Temblor - Harshlands wrote: »
    You're not gonna tell me now that clerics can win against a wizard at 90+ like they do at lvl30.

    Yes, they do.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    why is spirea so blue. b:quiet is it the nixes
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Temblor - Harshlands
    Temblor - Harshlands Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Jrudora - Lost City wrote: »
    Yes, they do.

    I don't believe it. Even in arcane, TT armors combined with physical ornaments and with demon earthshield wizards have more physical defense than magic defense. Plume shot and razor feathers become nonfactors even with demon/heaven spark. The debuffs of the cleric are not enough to lower any of the wizards defenses enough for a sure victory every time.
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  • Jrudora - Lost City
    Jrudora - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Temblor - Harshlands wrote: »
    I don't believe it. Even in arcane, TT armors combined with physical ornaments and with demon earthshield wizards have more physical defense than magic defense. Plume shot and razor feathers become nonfactors even with demon/heaven spark. The debuffs of the cleric are not enough to lower any of the wizards defenses enough for a sure victory every time.

    In order to have your physical defence above magic defence, you'll have to really compromise hp for defence, unless of course you plan to up your armors past +7.
    Anyhow, how about I change my phrase a little:
    A 90+ cleric versus wizard battle is nothing short of a hiero ****.
    You can't kill him, and he probably can't kill you either.

    I avoid clerics for that reason.
    Most clerics around my level have 5.5k - 6k hp.
    That's like 8k with hp buff. Its way too hard to kill them.
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Jrudora - Lost City wrote: »
    In order to have your physical defence above magic defence, you'll have to really compromise hp for defence, unless of course you plan to up your armors past +7.
    Anyhow, how about I change my phrase a little:
    A 90+ cleric versus wizard battle is nothing short of a hiero ****.
    You can't kill him, and he probably can't kill you either.

    I avoid clerics for that reason.
    Most clerics around my level have 5.5k - 6k hp.
    That's like 8k with hp buff. Its way too hard to kill them.

    I agree with u on that.
    But what Temblor was asking in the end was if clerics have the same ease killing wizzies at high lvl as at low lvl. The answer that even u gave with the above quote is: no.
    These 2 chars are so equally matched at high lvls that unless one of them gets a lucky crit on a ultimate or spark or whatever, they will just waste time and hero trying to kill eachother.
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  • Jrudora - Lost City
    Jrudora - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Ah, so I answered him without even realizing it.
    My apologies then.
    Yes, we give clerics a much harder time at the higher levels.
    I hope it gives y'all a lil more faith in the mage community now ;)
  • Moobysnax - Lost City
    Moobysnax - Lost City Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    So I was messing around with pretty much maxed out gear builds (not using rank equipment) and fully buffed a mage can have higher phys def than a blademaster that is not using alter marrow physical.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=cfe12eb562b55638

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3f5d8033ff95fec2

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=501b1b2380516b40

    the HP difference is obviously huge though. I was really bored 0.0
    I even messed around with a light armor Mage using about the same gear except slotted fully with HP stones and It had about 4k more hp 6% more critical, 4k less mag resist and 4k or so less base mag att. The phys defence was actually almost exactly the same.
  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    just more proof that wizzies roll everybody as the gameplay reaches extreme limits.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    O_o
    wtf
    that has to be illegal O.o
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Lyndura - Lost City
    Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Moobysnax - Lost City wrote: »
    So I was messing around with pretty much maxed out gear builds (not using rank equipment) and fully buffed a mage can have higher phys def than a blademaster that is not using alter marrow physical.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=cfe12eb562b55638


    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=501b1b2380516b40

    the HP difference is obviously huge though. I was really bored 0.0
    I even messed around with a light armor Mage using about the same gear except slotted fully with HP stones and It had about 4k more hp 6% more critical, 4k less mag resist and 4k or so less base mag att. The phys defence was actually almost exactly the same.

    And the BM has more magic defense than the Wizard :P
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    no the BM has less magic defense =p
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Lyndura - Lost City
    Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    no the BM has less magic defense =p

    Turn on Heaven/Hell Magical Marrow.

    Heaven = 22k magic defense.
    Hell = 20k magic defenfese.
  • Whiteleo - Lost City
    Whiteleo - Lost City Posts: 285 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    spirea wrote: »
    Ok this is normal pvp, not ganking pvp, not mass pvp.

    Archers - stun, we die
    WB- Stalemate
    Veno : pet bleed, dead
    BM : magic sutra, sprint, stun, dead
    Cleric : LOL keep spamming plume arrow, were dead no chance



    So, wizards suck. Yea

    i think so too b:surrender
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  • Temblor - Harshlands
    Temblor - Harshlands Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Jrudora - Lost City wrote: »
    Ah, so I answered him without even realizing it.
    My apologies then.
    Yes, we give clerics a much harder time at the higher levels.
    I hope it gives y'all a lil more faith in the mage community now ;)

    No problem. Just wanted to point out that a wizard is not exactly weak when the good armors and weapons come out.
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  • XX_Panda_XX - Lost City
    XX_Panda_XX - Lost City Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Is it true a +12 rank 8 weapon on a wiz will hit 10k with gush? Or is it more like 5k? I mean without undine.
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    3-4k would seem about right, to heavies at least. Without undine as well.
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  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    You have to LOVE wizards to play emb:cry
    Quit.
  • Moobysnax - Lost City
    Moobysnax - Lost City Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    That PW calculator is fun, but I think you can really prove that any class friggin' owns with that kind of end game gear.
  • ShadowDrag - Lost City
    ShadowDrag - Lost City Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Pandora - Lost City wrote: »
    You've GOT to be kidding me.

    shush! i was a nub then >.>
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Lyndura - Lost City wrote: »
    Turn on Heaven/Hell Magical Marrow.

    Heaven = 22k magic defense.
    Hell = 20k magic defenfese.

    BMs dont max their magic marrows since it lowers the phys defense too low
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • pervs
    pervs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    BMs dont max their magic marrows since it lowers the phys defense too low
    -_- thats like me saying. mages dont max their shrink because it uses too much chi.
    "you want 1by1 go play tekken la"
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Any warrior with max magic marrow is pretty dumb imo.
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