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natw

I've noticed that a lot of players selling very expensive stuff seem to be about level one when you click player info. They also almost never leave and are always selling different things. What's up with this?

Mosz - Heavens Tear

accounts are free...theres *higher levels that keep a cat shop running 24/7 on a separate pc

WindGaurdian - Sanctuary

Probably high level characters logged onto another computer with another account, who just let their mats sit on that character to sell while their main character becomes HIGH LEVEL!! After they sell they just transfer the coins to the higher level character and POOF they become RICH AND POWERFUL! b:victory

Miugre - Heavens Tear

That was my assumption, too.

But I wonder how the staff feels about that. Why do I seem to remember being told that you can't make multiple accounts?

WindGaurdian - Sanctuary

Darn he got to the reply before me.

WindGaurdian - Sanctuary

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That was my assumption, too.

But I wonder how the staff feels about that. Why do I seem to remember being told that you can't make multiple accounts?

they will never know... ehehehehhe..

plenty do it.

(but i dont have a second computer.. darn.)

they probably dont care as long as they make money. and people keep playing.

swiftlikeafox

Miugre.... It's legal as long as you have it running on 2 different PCs, cannot have two clients running on the same PC.

Anyway catshops are way overrated, they obscure the maps, they cause lag, and you have to spend long hours trying to find what you're looking for, wouldn't hurt my feelings in the least if they did away with them completely.

Auctionhouse is soooooooooooooooooooooooo much better!

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Huh... makes me wonder if my desktop could handle PW. Though I'd want to get a GM or admin's opinion on it... I err on the side of caution, usually.

And at any rate, I don't have much to sell long-term anyway. I make most of my current money from selling DQ stuff to vendors and selling Nectars in West Arch. :P Fun fun.

WindGaurdian - Sanctuary

Just playing Devil's Advocate, b:pleased

but how would they know it was your character if you created it using a different email?

Just do it! ^__^

Wwing - Heavens Tear

WindGaurdian - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just playing Devil's Advocate, b:pleased

but how would they know it was your character if you created it using a different email?

Just do it! ^__^

IP.... those without proxy will have obviously same IP address. still, same IP can also mean a big proxy set by ISP

WindGaurdian - Sanctuary

Each computer has their own unique IP address, doesn't it?

Also, why would they go that far into doing that if it doesnt even ruin the game?

swiftlikeafox

Wwing - Heavens Tear wrote: »

IP.... those without proxy will have obviously same IP address. still, same IP can also mean a big proxy set by ISP

Even those running on 2 seperate PCs would appear to have the same IP address if both are accessing the internet from the same router, the individual IP of each machine would not be resolvable server-side unless it sent a client-side request.


EDIT: Errrr, what i mean is that it's impossible to determine the IP of individual machines on the same network unless you are able to access a piece of software running on one of those machines that is designed to collect information about that machine and send it back to the person requesting it........ in other words a Client/Sever app such as PerfectWorld.... so YES they SHOULD be able to determine individual IPs..... and YES they probably can find out if you have two clients running on the same machine, or if you have them running on seperate machines.

xarfox

Running two instances on PWI on separate PCs is ok. Running two instances of PWI on the same computer requires that you alter your client, and thus, is not ok.

Wwing - Heavens Tear

modifying clients = bad.
running virtual machine to run 2nd client without modifying any part of the client should be okay, right?

Miugre - Heavens Tear

xarfox wrote: »

Running two instances on PWI on separate PCs is ok. Running two instances of PWI on the same computer requires that you alter your client, and thus, is not ok.

Ah, so it's just a modification issue. That makes sense. Thanks alot.

natw

wow a lot of people responded :O

swiftlikeafox

WindGaurdian - Sanctuary wrote: »

Each computer has their own unique IP address, doesn't it?

Also, why would they go that far into doing that if it doesnt even ruin the game?

Ahhhhhhh, but if left unchecked it CAN ruin the game......unchecked multi-clienting can ruin any game.

Ever heard of a Korean MMO Called WYDGlobal????? I used to play that one, and at the time I played, Multi-clienting was considered completely legal, to top that off, the game actually had a built in BOT(macro) program.

The combination of the two resulted in entire parties(which often were ALL the same person) AFK hunting in all of the desirable locations, it was often impossible to go even 1 minute without being KSed by a party of botters..... and there was really nothing you could do since it was LEGAL.

Acceptance of Multi-clienting usually leads to laxxed enforcement of botting, and eventually even legalization of botting(in some form or another), so yeah it can ruin the game!

WindGaurdian - Sanctuary

we're just talking about selling mats though ^__^

letting the character sell while the actual person actually plays the game.

NecroVaL - Heavens Tear

Well. Its acceptable and 'illegal' to run 2 different account on 2 different pc.
So I find there's nothing wrong with it. As long as you run the client in 2 different PC...

I have a friend who run 3 account on 3 different PC... ^^ Though 1 of them is his brother playing though.... So can't says that its not right...

Virla - Sanctuary

swiftlikeafox wrote: »

Even those running on 2 seperate PCs would appear to have the same IP address if both are accessing the internet from the same router, the individual IP of each machine would not be resolvable server-side unless it sent a client-side request.


EDIT: Errrr, what i mean is that it's impossible to determine the IP of individual machines on the same network unless you are able to access a piece of software running on one of those machines that is designed to collect information about that machine and send it back to the person requesting it........ in other words a Client/Sever app such as PerfectWorld.... so YES they SHOULD be able to determine individual IPs..... and YES they probably can find out if you have two clients running on the same machine, or if you have them running on seperate machines.

yeah I have played that and this is what you call a bad port so to speak. It was awesome until they created the global servers (basicly wyd's pwi) and the staff of the gamecompletly screwed it up
Let this be a lesson o pwi staff dont mess to much with the game it will bite you in the butt if you do.

And on another note not being able to run it on two different pcs at same time would mean that siblins who both play the game would never be able to play at the same time or with each other.

Wwing - Heavens Tear

NecroVaL - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well. Its acceptable and 'illegal' to run 2 different account on 2 different pc.
So I find there's nothing wrong with it. As long as you run the client in 2 different PC...

virtual machine will be counted as ... "another" machine/PC ?

Xdmghyper - Lost City

these guys are just causing major lag on some parts of towns.....b:angry

Malcuid - Sanctuary

There has been a topic that they move to the bridges in archosaur. Seems like a goo idea. I don't think it is fair that they play and sell at the same time like that.
Action house is there for a reaon

Fallenangelx - Heavens Tear

Its perfectly acceptable if you use different pcs for each character..my sibling and i play together using 2 separate pcs and it is connected to same router so same ip connection, dunno how GM can differentiate the ip addresses though.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

They couldn't, and they'd have to forgive the same IP address because they know full well people use the same routers.

My question was, is there something in the TOS or whatever which specifically forbids one person from making two accounts. That would be what condemns those lv1s selling in West Arch.

Wwing - Heavens Tear

even if there is one, no way to prove it due to too many possibility of real multi players from same router.

Solky - Lost City

There is also an (illegal, do NOT use it) multiclient being developed. Allows you to simply play few Perfect World's at a time. Might be that one, too.

Swiftail - Heavens Tear

what if u run 2 accounts in the same computer without using 3rd party programs or with no hacking involved?

Seraph - Dreamweaver

You can't (without a virtual machine I'm assuming) run two instances of the client on the same machine without altering the client's code, which is a big no-no. Hence why it is not allowed.

Also, forum **** HATE it when you ressurect an old thread like this (Called Necroing). It is preferred instead to make a new post about it. Of course you should always search the forums first for an answer, as this question has been answered many times. But in a case where you have searched and not been able to find the answer, post away (in a new or current thread of course)! ^^

No biggie since this is your first post (Welcome to the forums by the way!), just thought I'd share a couple of tips.

jemima

Seraph - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You can't (without a virtual machine I'm assuming) run two instances of the client on the same machine without altering the client's code, which is a big no-no. Hence why it is not allowed.

Still doesn't answer the question of whether running PW in a VM is allowed though.

Rule - Heavens Tear

jemima wrote: »

Still doesn't answer the question of whether running PW in a VM is allowed though.

xarfox answered it. No alterations to client allowed. VM doesn't require an alteration so it is allowed.

xarfox wrote: »

Running two instances on PWI on separate PCs is ok. Running two instances of PWI on the same computer requires that you alter your client, and thus, is not ok.