Overpriced Shards?

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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kingpiccolo - Heavens Tear wrote: »
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    I wonder what this guys was smoking when he put that auction up...

    The thing that caught my eye was that Shabby Shard...starting at 5k?! If someone buys that, I'm gonna laugh myself to death. *sighs softly* Ah...people.
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  • RainbowVidel - Sanctuary
    RainbowVidel - Sanctuary Posts: 1,316 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Many players tend to overprice on basically EVERYTHING they sell, mainly because of greed and have no idea what the term "reasonable price" means.
  • MentalEdge - Heavens Tear
    MentalEdge - Heavens Tear Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Neverwas - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    this is just the most greedy, money driven game i've ever played. sure other games can get pretty money driven as well but not like this game. buying and selling are the only thing people do on this game, in my opinion. it kills me how nobody seems to talk. every other game i've played, you go into town and there's lots of conversation going on but not in PWI. that's the way it seems to me at least.

    but definitely the shards thing is just annoying. i see the craziest prices for common and average all the time. and those players selling rough and shabby gems for the crazy stone quest get on my nerves so bad. somebody was trying to sell shabbys for like, 1.5k the other day and some stupid person will probably buy them.


    Trust me there are far far worse games out there in terms of greed,this is heaven compared to my last game.

    On topic,i wish people would shut up about prices players set,its a free market,i'm sure you all know what that means...if someone sells items overpriced from the average most people sell for or from its npc value let them(normally it won't sell) you don't need posts all over the place calling them greedy an whatnot.
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    well well well... for those who suck at basic math.. here. There ya go, now you have no excuse. BTW to the OP,
    Kingpiccolo - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But basically you'll probably only see Blemished to Average shards in the AH at this moment. I'd determine the value of the shards to about 90% of their value when manually made. So Blemished should be around 4300. Common around 12800 and Average around 51500.

    stating shards have a value of 90% of their cost to manufacture if they are sold in the AH (If I understood what your saying) basically means we should LOSE MONEY if we try to sell shards? Um... No, thats just got to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

    Sell shards at cost (for the xp and sp) or slightly above (to make a marginal profit), yeah I can see that (saves YOU the time to make them, and time is money), but LESS than the cost? Smoke another Bowl dude, your not high enough yet.

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  • Calliope - Heavens Tear
    Calliope - Heavens Tear Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Saitada: most of the shards people sell are ones that have dropped from mobs, quests, etc. In those cases, people have a shard they don't want, and didn't spend a dime to get it. Selling it for a bit under NPC price ensures that someone will buy it (why not save money?) while capturing most of the value.

    Presumably, anyone who makes a shard at the NPC does so either for their own use, or to sell at a slight markup to people who want to save time on their Crazy Stone quest. In that latter case, I fully support (and personally pay) a slight markup, because it's not worth 5 minutes of my time to go combine shards, just to save 725 coins.
  • Lordexion - Lost City
    Lordexion - Lost City Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    well average from npc still cost 60k each so start calculating from there to the max?(forgot the amount u need for the next lvl and the other above and don't feel like searching) >.<b:surrender
  • bzbee
    bzbee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Calliope - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Saitada: most of the shards people sell are ones that have dropped from mobs, quests, etc. In those cases, people have a shard they don't want, and didn't spend a dime to get it. Selling it for a bit under NPC price ensures that someone will buy it (why not save money?) while capturing most of the value.

    Presumably, anyone who makes a shard at the NPC does so either for their own use, or to sell at a slight markup to people who want to save time on their Crazy Stone quest. In that latter case, I fully support (and personally pay) a slight markup, because it's not worth 5 minutes of my time to go combine shards, just to save 725 coins.

    Since when is the source of a shard a consideration in pricing? It doesn't matter where the shard is from, mob drop or crafted, they are still the same item. That shouldn't even be a point of discussion.

    Yes, I have seen shards that are ridiculously priced too. Why does it matter how much someone prices it at? That's not really our problem. The problem is theirs, when their item doesn't sell. Now if they get lucky and do sell it overpriced, then kudos to them and the problem is the buyers.

    Don't blame the seller for overpricing it. Blame the buyer for buying it overpriced.
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  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    if anybody wants a stone made gimeh the coin and ill do it XD

    thats some sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet xp there >_>
  • FionaCattail - Sanctuary
    FionaCattail - Sanctuary Posts: 405 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    so.. am I crazy asking 7M for a 22M shard? (people seem to think I am.. but yet noone is buyin 'em)
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  • Kamikiri - Lost City
    Kamikiri - Lost City Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    If more people made there own shards, prices would drop. ^^
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  • Parker - Dreamweaver
    Parker - Dreamweaver Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Unfortunately I'm having a hard time selling my Beautiful and Flawless due to the market being saturated.
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  • Gregen - Lost City
    Gregen - Lost City Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    FionaCattail - Sanctuary wrote: »
    so.. am I crazy asking 7M for a 22M shard? (people seem to think I am.. but yet noone is buyin 'em)

    I don't know, but I just saw two different people selling perfect shards at 600k each.
  • chomon
    chomon Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    perfect gems are farmable via WBs and people in general dont have the cash to dish out for a gem that adds XX stats.
  • Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear
    Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    MentalEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    On topic,i wish people would shut up about prices players set,its a free market,i'm sure you all know what that means...if someone sells items overpriced from the average most people sell for or from its npc value let them(normally it won't sell) you don't need posts all over the place calling them greedy an whatnot.

    Sadly, the higher the price a single player puts on something affects the overall market. Example, Elite Woven Fang Arrows should be roughly 20-100 coins each, just because they add one percent chance to do a critical attack. Archers would be the obvious class to buy these on. However, players price them 3000-5000 coins. While this is all fine for a character that has exploited the arrows, it sucks for the Archers that would be able to really use them, on a continuous basis.

    How did this happen? Someone decided that players should pay out the nose for one arrow. It probably started a 750 coins a pop and went up, the more people found out about the arrows. When the last of the low prices is bought out, only the higher prices are used in comparison. If you factor in demand, something as useful as leather goes from 100 coins to 2000 coins.

    I can't say I am free from greed. I need to look after my guild, as well, but I try to price things a little under the average, when I can.
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  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    FionaCattail - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I have to laugh at people's inability to do math.. I mean I had someone call me crazy today because I want to sell 2 perfect shards for 7M each.

    now, beautiful shards sell for 120-180k (or cost 228k based on your chart).. and it takes 100 beautiful shards to make a perfect.. which would put the value at 12-18M (22M if you made it from scratch)..

    so, I'm selling it for 1/2-2/3 it's actual value.. and people think I'm crazy?

    I hope that when more people can farm these things easily the prices will drop to like 1m or something.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Tanell - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I've been working on figuring out the right price to sell items at, based on item base price and NPC selling price.
    The item's base price (in player's inventory) is 20% of the items real price. Weapons and Gear looks to be 48% (work in progress).

    Here is a price list for Shards: (item / base $ / sell $)
    Shabby Shard - $100 - $530
    Rough Shard - $200 - $1,000
    Blemished Shard - $350 - $1,750
    Common Shard - $550 - $2,750
    Average Shard - $800 - $4,000
    Beautiful Shard - $1,100 - $5,500
    Flawless Shard - $1,800 - $9,000
    Immaculate Shard- $2,500 - $12,500
    Perfect Shard - $3,600 - $18,000
    Incomparable Shard - $5,000 - $25,000
    Gem - $10,000 - $50,000
    Stone - $20,000 - $100,000
    Diamond of Tiger - $50,000 - $250,000
    Diamond of Dragon - $50,000 - $250,000

    I am confused. Are you suggesting to people that they should sell beauties for 5.5k, flawless for 9k... etc. If so, I'll buy every single phy/mag/hp shards you have.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sadly, the higher the price a single player puts on something affects the overall market. Example, Elite Woven Fang Arrows should be roughly 20-100 coins each, just because they add one percent chance to do a critical attack. Archers would be the obvious class to buy these on. However, players price them 3000-5000 coins. While this is all fine for a character that has exploited the arrows, it sucks for the Archers that would be able to really use them, on a continuous basis.

    How did this happen? Someone decided that players should pay out the nose for one arrow. It probably started a 750 coins a pop and went up, the more people found out about the arrows. When the last of the low prices is bought out, only the higher prices are used in comparison. If you factor in demand, something as useful as leather goes from 100 coins to 2000 coins.

    I can't say I am free from greed. I need to look after my guild, as well, but I try to price things a little under the average, when I can.

    The only thing the arrows do without a bow equipped is cause a visual glitch on the character sheet.

    Nothing more.

    Nothing less.
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  • Axemanek - Heavens Tear
    Axemanek - Heavens Tear Posts: 588 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Nice post mate!
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  • Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear
    Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The only thing the arrows do without a bow equipped is cause a visual glitch on the character sheet.

    Nothing more.

    Nothing less.

    Really? I was under the impression they increased your chance to crit.
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited May 2009
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Really? I was under the impression they increased your chance to crit.

    That is quite the common misconception. It "shows" the extra crit on your character sheet, but it is never really factored in, unless you have a bow equipped.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Really? I was under the impression they increased your chance to crit.

    On an attack with a bow, they do, but on an attack without a bow equipped, they do not.


    From a thread about the crit arrow:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=1934221&postcount=109
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  • Arliana - Dreamweaver
    Arliana - Dreamweaver Posts: 410 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    true, in dreamweaver, ppl make the crazy stones requirements and just camp in front of the crazy stone npcs. im sure that some ppl dont even realize the merchant sells those stones for 1/5th of the price ppl do.
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Arliana - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    true, in dreamweaver, ppl make the crazy stones requirements and just camp in front of the crazy stone npcs. im sure that some ppl dont even realize the merchant sells those stones for 1/5th of the price ppl do.

    Basic rule to follow: If a player sells it, its most likely hugely overpriced.
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  • Axemanek - Heavens Tear
    Axemanek - Heavens Tear Posts: 588 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Never buy shards next to the Crazy Stone NPC's they are always WAYY overpriced
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Arliana - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    true, in dreamweaver, ppl make the crazy stones requirements and just camp in front of the crazy stone npcs. im sure that some ppl dont even realize the merchant sells those stones for 1/5th of the price ppl do.
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Basic rule to follow: If a player sells it, its most likely hugely overpriced.


    Not everyone looks for a good deal, or is willing to take the time to make it themselves for less.
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  • Tahathegreat - Dreamweaver
    Tahathegreat - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    i always make my own shards..

    I see people selling first grade shads for 4 times the price at the merchant...
  • SugarPrinces - Sanctuary
    SugarPrinces - Sanctuary Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ok so to clarify, when people tell me i'm crazy for trying to sell some common shards i MADE myself for between 18k and 35k (depending on what i see in the AH at the time) they're right? not like i can go much below 18k if i want to break even from the cost of the shards to make em.. so aka jem/jewelcrafting is a pointless and useless and expensive thing to do in this game?
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    dont bump old threads.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    SugarPrinces - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ok so to clarify, when people tell me i'm crazy for trying to sell some common shards i MADE myself for between 18k and 35k (depending on what i see in the AH at the time) they're right? not like i can go much below 18k if i want to break even from the cost of the shards to make em.. so aka jem/jewelcrafting is a pointless and useless and expensive thing to do in this game?

    Well yeah - gems drop from monsters too, remember. And since people can craft the gem (when they want it) from the NPC, why would they pay (much) more than that from a player?

    But, well, not everyone DOES check the NPC price, and some people are just in a hurry, and if you can scam someone into paying way more than something is worth, you make a profit.

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