Action against XP Scroll Scam

louise20

The people calling this a scam should read the definition of that word:

a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.

What was the goal ? 6k
Did we reach that goal ? no
We never got to the intended goal and we could have, there's easily more than 6k people playing this game.

They didnt trick you into doing something, they didnt offer you stuff then took it away or anything like that.

"I don't care. STFU, Muff"

Drussella - Sanctuary

5380 ppl are getting blown off for 620 ppl being lazy.

I like to be removed from the friends list please. He/She who is so careless about "friends" can and may not call him/herself my friend. Oww wait i can do that myself... (done)

Making a 89% full glass empty is immature.


"**** you guys, i'm going home!" : Cartman

Lessie - Lost City

Even if the glass was 99% full, that's still not the goal.

jenenji

Drussella - Sanctuary wrote: »

5380 ppl are getting blown off for 620 ppl being lazy.

Wow, your ignorance is overwhelming. Just because the majority of players choose not to go anywhere near "PedophileSpce", "PornSpace", or "VirusSpace" , that does not make them lazy.

Drussella - Sanctuary

Lessie - Lost City wrote: »

Even if the glass was 99% full, that's still not the goal.

Thats treu, but then they shouldnt come up with a "reward" that is gonna cost us cash. 20% off doesnt cost them anything.

"Didnt make it, sorry no sigar!": sure.
"Didnt make it, now if u want anything back for your effort.. PAY!": insult

Like i EVER gonna pariticipate in simular promotionals in the future.b:avoid

Drussella - Sanctuary

jenenji wrote: »

Wow, your ignorance is overwhelming. Just because the majority of players choose not to go anywhere near "PedophileSpce", "PornSpace", or "VirusSpace" , that does not make them lazy.

I appologize, should have said "couldnt be bothered to for numerous reasons."

Overwhelmimg huh? You can breath now

Lessie - Lost City

Drussella - Sanctuary wrote: »

Thats treu, but then they shouldnt come up with a "reward" that is gonna cost us cash. 20% off doesnt cost them anything.

"Didnt make it, sorry no sigar!": sure.
"Didnt make it, now if u want anything back for your effort.. PAY!": insult

Like i EVER gonna pariticipate in simular promotionals in the future.b:avoid

They didnt have to give us anything, they felt like making a discount (wich is a good strategy to make money)
Good for them.

jenenji

People should not be rewarded for being a failure or for failing to reach a specified goal. This is just one of many things that are wrong in our society today.


I don't view this as a reward, i see it as a sale on Exp Scrolls as it should be.

Drussella - Sanctuary

Lessie - Lost City wrote: »

They didnt have to give us anything, they felt like making a discount (wich is a good strategy to make money)
Good for them.

A discount is ALWAYS a good strategy to make money. Nothing wrong with good old capitalism. But to call it a reward is an insult.

Lessie - Lost City

Drussella - Sanctuary wrote: »

A discount is ALWAYS a good strategy to make money. Nothing wrong with good old capitalism. But to call it a reward is an insult.

Big deal .... seriously.

Ajriaz_skaya - Heavens Tear

Drussella - Sanctuary wrote: »

I apologize, should have said "couldn't be bothered to for numerous reasons."

Overwhelming huh? You can breath now

You got the wrong idea. It's not that I couldn't be bothered, it's that I won't touch MySpace with a ten foot pole even if I was wearing a full airtight hazardous environment suit. The staff could have offered me 100 golds out of the blue, I wouldn't have registered in such an unclean place. As Ripley would have said, the whole place should be nuked from orbit just to be sure.

Call me paranoid if you like, at least it would be more accurate.

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Hey I can vote twice after changing ID.

*clic* Still don't care and still don't have anything against Muff.

Haken - Sanctuary

What I find funny is that you expect people to waste time and energy on something as horrible as myspace.

Considering I just start spending my days AOE-grinding I would've loved the reward but if I'm not making a myspace account for friends and family then I certainly won't for a MMO.

Two "events"* like this in such a short period of time on one of the money-hungriest F2P I've ever seen just spells greed.


*Are there ever gonna be real events with spawned bosses and stuff?

Nevermore - Heavens Tear

Lessie - Lost City wrote: »

They didnt have to give us anything, they felt like making a discount (wich is a good strategy to make money)
Good for them.

You overlooked the simple fact that they call their discount 'REWARD'. You do not pay for a reward, you earn it and get it for free but of course that's entirely different since we're talking PW-I'll take all your money-International.

Lessie - Lost City

They can call it whatever they want, big deal.
They dont owe us anything, we didnt archieve the goal.

Nevermore - Heavens Tear

Lessie - Lost City wrote: »

They can call it whatever they want, big deal.
They dont owe us anything, we didnt archieve the goal.

*rolls eyes* I won't even respond to that load of *ahem*.

Lessie - Lost City

Load of truth you cant accept ?


from another topic, he just said it all:

Goreon - Sanctuary wrote: »

I may have joined this game after the event was already over, but I find the fact that people are arguing to get a reward for a challenge they didn't meet completely ludicrous! Let's break this down shall we? The deal was that we the players would recieve a 1.5% exp bonus if 6000 people added PWI to their myspace friends list. Only 5300 people added them. One side did not hold up their end of the bargain, so the deal is off. Sure you came damn close, and I applaud you for that. But you were still 700 off. Did they offer an increase or decrease in the percentage depending on how far below or above 6000 you got? No, they did not. They offered the increase for 6000 friends. They did not get 6000 friends. You do not get the increase. It's pretty simple. If you go to buy a pen for fifty cents, and you pay twenty-five cents, you do not get half a pen. You just get nothing. Honestly you're lucky you got a discount. And dont respond with the "I shouldn't have to pay for a reward" argument. You shouldn't have even gotten a reward in the first place! Sure we would all prefer something better, and sure we're all upset that we didn't make the cut, but who are we to demand something we didn't earn. And no, getting 5300 friends does not mean we earned anything. I have said it before and I'll say it again: The deal was 6000 friends for an exp bonus. You didn't get 6000 friends, so no exp bonus. End of story.

Nevermore - Heavens Tear

The truth is, there is NO reward. Just a badly disguised money making scheme they TRY to sell us as a reward. It's easier talking against a wall than trying to get you to see that. THAT is the point I argue, the missleading reward.

I don't argue unmet goals and lack of exp event. You should open your eyes, start seeing and you certainly should comprehend what you read before you type out an entirely unrelated response.

Lessie - Lost City

Big deal if they call it reward....
Are we all 5 yr olds that cant see thru that ? lol....

erethizon1

jenenji wrote: »

People should not be rewarded for being a failure or for failing to reach a specified goal. This is just one of many things that are wrong in our society today.


I don't view this as a reward, i see it as a sale on Exp Scrolls as it should be.

That is not what is "wrong" with society at all. If you only reward for complete and total success you just teach people not to bother with anything they are not 100% certain they can succeed at. If they were to have another even just like this one they would have much lower turn out because they just taught people not to bother trying.

If it were not too much work what they really should have done is given the 50% exp bonus only to those people that added PW as a myspace friend. That would have encouraged more people to participate next time (and I say that as one of the people that did not add them as a myspace friend and thus would not get the reward).

Lessie - Lost City

erethizon1 wrote: »

That is not what is "wrong" with society at all. If you only reward for complete and total success you just teach people not to bother with anything they are not 100% certain they can succeed at. If they were to have another even just like this one they would have much lower turn out because they just taught people not to bother trying.

If it were not too much work what they really should have done is given the 50% exp bonus only to those people that added PW as a myspace friend. That would have encouraged more people to participate next time (and I say that as one of the people that did not add them as a myspace friend and thus would not get the reward).

So they should reward getting close ?
Hey, I got 80% exp can you just let me get to the next level please ?
Hey, I almost pass that test, can you just value my effort and let me advance ?
Hey I almost get in college, it's just 3 points more can you just give'em to me coz I almost get there ?
List goes on....

Goreon - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you go to buy a pen for fifty cents, and you pay twenty-five cents, you do not get half a pen. You just get nothing.

muff

Haken - Sanctuary wrote: »

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Two "events"* like this in such a short period of time on one of the money-hungriest F2P I've ever seen just spells greed.
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I would add, at this point, that this view is closest to my own. It's one reason why techies should be kept as far away as possible from commercial decisions linked to gameplay.

This approach will kill this particular version of the game and it appears to me to be a deliberate strategy. Surely no-one would be stupid enough to kill the goose that lays the golden egg by accident....?

Jebbediah - Lost City

The more and more I read about this kinda stuff leads me to believe I shouldnt be spending 100 bucks a week on this game.

First of all those exp scrolls dont give you double exp 100% of the time because the monstor's dont give a fixed exp number 100% of the time=it's a scam...I wouldnt waste my money seeing as it will just make me beat the game that much faster then I will have to go find another game to beat.

Secondly The kids worked real hard trying to get what yall wanted and coming so close to 6k friends in a month's time is nothing to be scoffed at but thats what u did.

This 20% off is a slap in the face.Your trying to treat us like addicts that need your game.YOUR THE ADDICTS THAT NEED ARE CASH.

Make no mistake you have pissed off one adult that WILL do something about it.from here on out I and my family will boycott the cashshop completly.

Were really thinking about leaving this game.It seems the only thing you truely care about at the end of the day is your profits.

Profits are good yes but Your comunity of players respecting the game makers is a hella of alot more important.

Lessie - Lost City

We shouldnt get anything since we didnt get to 6k players, they are giving a discount or whatever.
And you got the balls to come whine ? damnnn

lillianavess

I have used the cash shop... about $100 worth since I started playing. However if events and such are going to be constantly aimed at cs and not the average player I will not buy from cs anymore. In every other game I have played a player does something a player is rewarded. For instance the last game I played: Friend us On my space get 200 free ap (same as zhen except different exchange rate... possibly equal to 1 or 2 gold), friend us from ?/?/? to ?/?/? and get a free exp thingy. It did not matter if you bought anything from the item mall (cs) if you helped them (in any way) they helped you. This is how it should work.

It should not work like this : "Oh well you helped us advertise a ton ... so we might possibly give you somet... nah... we'll just "discount" something in the cash shop... that will generate even more money ... even though we probably just got a whole new range of customers who might buy from the cs anyway. " Keep in mind this is RIGHT after pwi already disappointed many players because of the Halloween event. The last few games I have played Holiday events had NOTHING to do with cs or item mall, and they still make it indeed in the US as well.

I understand that pwi has to make money. However, EVERYTHING does not need to revolve around that. The reasoning for the cs pricing is deluded to begin with. - You make more money, you can afford to spend up to x3 you would somewhere else- o_O Are you daft? Cost of living is sometimes outrageous in the Us. A family in most cases cannot be supported on one persons job, minimum wage = almost living in a box even if you handle your money correctly (unless of course you are receiving help for somewhere else ex: family or government).

Food costs rise, gas costs rise, housing prices rise (I'm in college right now... Housing off campus or on campus is RIDICULOUS)... and just to let you know you should be bending over right now waving a white flag b:surrender- F2P game prices are jacked up here .

/rant Woo I felt a bit better after that ... but I'm still ticked b:shutup

Lessie - Lost City

lillianavess wrote: »

It should not work like this : "Oh well you helped us advertise a ton ... so we might possibly give you somet... nah... we'll just "discount" something in the cash shop... that will generate even more money ... even though we probably just got a whole new range of customers who might buy from the cs anyway. "

Goal was 6k, we didnt get there.
They dont owe us anything, they made a discount good for us !

This post from the other b:cry topic sums it up pretty well

Feraldreamzz - Sanctuary wrote: »

I really don't see how you can justify demanding 1.32 exp for your effort.

Like others have said, 6,000 was the goal, goal wasn't met. End of story. Certainly gave everyone enough time to reach the goal, even made announcements in game.

Someone said they're trying to make a profit out of everything. Of course they are, it's a business. I don't know of any store that wouldn't try to make a profit. What do you think sales are all about? It lures you into the store, you probably purchase what's on sale, and might see some things that aren't on sale and maybe buy those as well.

I think sometimes people forget this isn't a "Not for Profit" company, they're here to make money. There's no scam here. Nothing wrong with putting something on sale at a 20% discount.

lillianavess

Lessie - Lost City wrote: »

Goal was 6k, we didnt get there.
They dont owe us anything, they made a discount good for us !

This post from the other b:cry topic sums it up pretty well

Did I b:cry anywhere? To each their own opinion but do two crappy events in a row deserve a pat on the back? Mmk more simply put other games handle their events much better b:laugh The way they made the event out to be we shouldn't get exp, alright fine ... but that is not all that happened. I personally do not see the 20% discount as any type of reward related to the event, instead of carefully planning the different possible outcomes of the event they make up things as they go.

Imho the cash shop should not be related directly to any "events" especially when it is not clearly stated to begin with.

... how is this good?

Keep in mind that...
- everyone who helped Pwi is not being rewarded. (whether or not we reached the 6k everyone should be rewarded or no one should be rewarded)
-Those who bought exp scrolls before the "event" (not being notified they would be on sale since that was not originally part of the "event") just lost value in their cash items if prices do go down.
- Quite a few players are disturbed with the lack of creativity and effort put into events thus far... some of them have resorted to leaving, others to not buying cs, and some even going around telling potential players that the game is absolutely horrid and to avoid it at all costs!
- If pwi cannot reach a simple goal that they set , it creates a bad image for the game. Either they set goals to high or they are not making enough of their customers happy to the point that they will support pwi in various other ways that do not even involve paying money (ex: becoming their friend on Ms)


EDIT: Ah let me make one other thing clear... If pwi had not tried to tie the discount to the event it would not be so bad. Wait a week or so , give a discount- that is fine imo. Discounts are indeed nice , but not when they are given as a so-called reward for the event that was a fail.

lillianavess

Ok well, I'm back to playing! I've expressed my opinion for the day- have at it .

I hope those of you who are disappointed decide to stick it through to the next event to see if pwi can do any better! Once more chance to keep me as a player , others will speak for themselves b:victory

Good luck and happy hunting to everyone regardless of your opinions on this matter b:kiss

Lessie - Lost City

lillianavess wrote: »

Did I b:cry anywhere?
Keep in mind that...
- everyone who helped Pwi is not being rewarded. (whether or not we reached the 6k everyone should be rewarded or no one should be rewarded)
-Those who bought exp scrolls before the "event" (not being notified they would be on sale since that was not originally part of the "event") just lost value in their cash items if prices do go down.
- Quite a few players are disturbed with the lack of creativity and effort put into events thus far... some of them have resorted to leaving, others to not buying cs, and some even going around telling potential players that the game is absolutely horrid and to avoid it at all costs!
- If pwi cannot reach a simple goal that they set , it creates a bad image for the game. Either they set goals to high or they are not making enough of their customers happy to the point that they will support pwi in various other ways that do not even involve paying money (ex: becoming their friend on Ms)

I meant crying topic in general, not directly to you.
Keep in mind too...
- There should be no reward since goal as not met, discount is just an "extra"
- That happens with any discount in any store, do you see ppl complaining all the time about that ? I dont.
- The ppl that join from myspace make up for those that left imho and if you leave coz of this, then b:bye close the door on your way out
- That's a problem with the comunity, pwi cant control it's comunity.


Still waiting for a valid point.

bloood

well i belive that an event isan event and that this game is FREE so why are you complaing...just my opinion...

Lessie - Lost City

Ppl seem to forget PWI is in it to MAKE MONEY.
No they dont host these servers, get the updates, do maintenance, go solve problems in game, etc. out of good will.
"Sales" are good to bring in more cash, PWI is doing one omg what a crime !!

Do you go and cry in front of every store that makes a sale ? sounds ridiculus doesnt it ? well that's pretty much what you're doing here simply because the sale got "reward" in it's advertisement.