What Will Be The Price Of Pheonix In Cash Shop

Naris - Heavens Tear

Tara - Lost City wrote: »

suggest 500zen or nerf the damn thing

thx

Edit once they have this thing the other classes can say GameOver

That's a bit excessive. So is the idea of charging like $30 for it. A Veno with a phoenix is effectively not soloable in PvP (assuming they've got half a brain), but you can still take them down if you attack them with a group.

It is however far more powerful and unbalancing than pet rides (which are really only a time saver), and a heck of a lot more valuable than charms (which won't get used too much for a Veno once they have a meat shield or flying death machine). So... yeah I think $100 is very reasonable considering you can get the items from a boss later on (for free). Given how much people spent on the Halloween event I can assure you that a phoenix probably won't be that rare either...

Ren - Lost City

Naris - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's a bit excessive. So is the idea of charging like $30 for it. A Veno with a phoenix is effectively not soloable in PvP (assuming they've got half a brain)

Says the level not-even-30-yet, shut up. Werefoxes get one shot without werebeast buff, no need for your dumb ideas born out of jealous ignorance.
Ripping bite bug shafts over robe users, that's it. Everything else can pretty much ignore the pet. Most of a werefox's damage comes from the werefox not the pet.

Afaik phoenix stats arent much higher, but it's way faster delivering the ripping bite 4m/s faster. QQ less and learn to play please.

Seriously why do you ignorant buffoons cry about foxes so much? I have much more trouble killing archers than other werefoxes, stun -> shot -> dead. Why don't we make archers crit damage go down as their level rises? Perfect logic by your standards.

Just fix the ******ned bug already and put phoenix in for a sane price, not the price intended for asian gamers with a 90% chance of dying in front of their pc cause they didnt sleep for 3 weeks.

Foxgodz - Heavens Tear

Well one side says Phoenix is overpowered.
One side Phoenix is balanced.

Who is right?
So far,none!

So lets assume it's balanced before going to conclusions which is reasonable for reasons posted below.

Nobody showed any proof,evidence,u name it.Where's the video of a Phoenix one hitting those tanks of same level?

And against a Mage class,mages are supposed to die or kill fast.They are not tanks.The fight is finished very fast.Mage has superior damage then all DD the Veno has a Pet to balance it out.If bleed can kill a Mage in 3 or 4 ticks,so what?If it's 1 tick I would be wow'ed into belief but so far no proof of that has been coming forth.Mages are supposed to go down in way less.Not to mention if a mage Nukes a Veno a Veno will also go down way fast making the bleed obsolete.

If there's one thing u should complain about it's why Veno's get to be less dependant on the item mall then all the other classes.

rild

Foxgodz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If there's one thing u should complain about it's why Veno's get to be less dependant on the item mall then all the other classes.

I don't think anybody should have to be dependent on the item mall.

Naris - Heavens Tear

Ren - Lost City wrote: »

Says the level not-even-30-yet, shut up. Werefoxes get one shot without werebeast buff, no need for your dumb ideas born out of jealous ignorance.
Ripping bite bug shafts over robe users, that's it. Everything else can pretty much ignore the pet. Most of a werefox's damage comes from the werefox not the pet.

Afaik phoenix stats arent much higher, but it's way faster delivering the ripping bite 4m/s faster. QQ less and learn to play please.

Seriously why do you ignorant buffoons cry about foxes so much? I have much more trouble killing archers than other werefoxes, stun -> shot -> dead. Why don't we make archers crit damage go down as their level rises? Perfect logic by your standards.

Just fix the ******ned bug already and put phoenix in for a sane price, not the price intended for asian gamers with a 90% chance of dying in front of their pc cause they didnt sleep for 3 weeks.

Hmmm... this is my tertiary banking mule thank you very muchb:shutup. I don't know what kind of build you use, but my veno doesn't get one shotted by most things (and I'm around your level). I agree that archers are a royal pain for a veno, yet their light armor would make them severely wounded by flesh ream (yes I've tried it), and frankly if you look at a phoenix's stats the attack is much higher than normal (plus 10k magic defense at a high level).

Besides the game's job is to make money, and you KNOW that even at $100 we're going to see a decent number of foxes with phoenixes. And yes, killing the fox is usually a better idea, but that's what apothecary pots. Not to mention the fact that people will be selling feathers (and those Hercules's tokens) in West Arch, or the fact that you can get them as a rare drop from a high level boss. The way I see it they should charge whatever the heck they think they can get away with. If people buy they'll keep it there, if no one buys they'll lower the price (I would hope).

Foxgodz - Heavens Tear

I would like for anybody to rebut my points
As for the amount needed for the Phoenix I agree.Whatever people want to pay for it should be the price.Though I don't expect that should be over 50$.

Zress - Lost City

just for the record dears... @lvl 90

Crystal Mag
HP:2934 ATTACK:3240 PDEF:8792 MDEF:5861 m/s:6.2

Kowlin
HP:2579 ATTACK:2218 PDEF:5575 MDEF:6689 m/s:10.4

Herculion
HP:4135 ATTACK:2672 PDEF:8952 MDEF:7161 m/s:8.1

Pheonix
HP:3446 ATTACK:4096 PDEF:8952 MDEF:10742 m/s:10.9

There are the stats, assuming the pets are at lvl 90 dears. sooo b:pleased for you one shot claims? yeah if the pet outleveled ya by like 10-20 levels or so. You know, how gankers do it dear.

Far as the claims of veno making money money money. that is more player skill then class skill so we can burst that bubble b:victory

far as money? this pet as the herculion when come out of the cash shop as a lvl 1 pet, the veno in turn has to level the dern thing to match them. anyone want to guess how much fun or how easy that is?b:chuckle, yes I am being sarcastic here.

myself I would LOVE to see it 30 to 50 dollars. Higher then that, even though I could afford it, i wont purchase it on sheer principle. as someone said, it is just pixels.

information on pets cam from http://www.ecatombs.net

Kingpiccolo - Heavens Tear

Ren - Lost City wrote: »

Says the level not-even-30-yet, shut up. Werefoxes get one shot without werebeast buff, no need for your dumb ideas born out of jealous ignorance.
Ripping bite bug shafts over robe users, that's it. Everything else can pretty much ignore the pet. Most of a werefox's damage comes from the werefox not the pet.

Afaik phoenix stats arent much higher, but it's way faster delivering the ripping bite 4m/s faster. QQ less and learn to play please.

Seriously why do you ignorant buffoons cry about foxes so much? I have much more trouble killing archers than other werefoxes, stun -> shot -> dead. Why don't we make archers crit damage go down as their level rises? Perfect logic by your standards.

If you get one shotted you probably aren't building your character right. Phoenix has 20% more attack than the next strongest Pet, but it's power lies in a 100% extra damage self buff, allowing it to effectively kill any soft armoured class with a single Ripping bite, though it is still quite weak against heavy armoured classes. But being able to single hit any soft armoured class is enough to warrant a 100 gold price tag.

I don't even know what the hell you are talking about with the Archer example.

Foxgodz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well one side says Phoenix is overpowered.
One side Phoenix is balanced.

Who is right?
So far,none!

So lets assume it's balanced before going to conclusions which is reasonable for reasons posted below.

Nobody showed any proof,evidence,u name it.Where's the video of a Phoenix one hitting those tanks of same level?

And against a Mage class,mages are supposed to die or kill fast.They are not tanks.The fight is finished very fast.Mage has superior damage then all DD the Veno has a Pet to balance it out.If bleed can kill a Mage in 3 or 4 ticks,so what?If it's 1 tick I would be wow'ed into belief but so far no proof of that has been coming forth.Mages are supposed to go down in way less.Not to mention if a mage Nukes a Veno a Veno will also go down way fast making the bleed obsolete.

If there's one thing u should complain about it's why Veno's get to be less dependant on the item mall then all the other classes.

First of all, no one said anything about Phoenixs 1 hitting Heavy Armour Tanks. Against a mage class, the Ripping Bite is a 1 Hit kill, unless you had no idea where the hell the Mage is, your Phoenix will reach him/her before they finish a chant, perform a Ripping Bite on them which will procceed to kill them. Even if the mage manages to kill you, the Bleed will still take out the mage regardless.

Venos are pretty much the most powerful PvP class later on, a Hell Veno is unstoppable, with the most ridiculous movement speeds, fox form and 200% dmg return Brambles, Ripping bite pets and generally more HP than other spellcasting classes.

Foxgodz - Heavens Tear

Sooo...The Phoenix is not overpowered against the heavy duty classes.
But u say it's overpowered against the Mages.Not saying you're wrong just the Mages are already without the phoenix the worst 1 vs 1 pvp class.Kill or be killed.Mages will still be as effecient in good organised PK and still be as effecient in TW.The question is,is that really a one hit or is it 2 hits?If it's even 2 hit then the Fox also has a chance to die still regardless of Bleed.I always thought mages were the one hit wonder.Get first hit in and u die by their insane damage.

I'd really love somebody to show a video on it,that clarifies things easier.Proving if it's a one hit or 2-3 hit against different classes shows if it's really that OP.

On a sidenote:Nice Info Zress.

Zress - Lost City

Foxgodz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sooo...The Phoenix is not overpowered against the heavy duty classes.
But u say it's overpowered against the Mages.Not saying you're wrong just the Mages are already without the phoenix the worst 1 vs 1 pvp class.Kill or be killed.Mages will still be as effecient in good organised PK and still be as effecient in TW.The question is,is that really a one hit or is it 2 hits?If it's even 2 hit then the Fox also has a chance to die still regardless of Bleed.I always thought mages were the one hit wonder.Get first hit in and u die by their insane damage.

I'd really love somebody to show a video on it,that clarifies things easier.Proving if it's a one hit or 2-3 hit against different classes shows if it's really that OP.

On a sidenote:Nice Info Zress.

thanks hon.b:kiss

I have no experience with a pheonix, so all my research comes from just what I have found, read and verified through other sources.

Naris - Heavens Tear

Kingpiccolo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you get one shotted you probably aren't building your character right. Phoenix has 20% more attack than the next strongest Pet, but it's power lies in a 100% extra damage self buff, allowing it to effectively kill any soft armoured class with a single Ripping bite, though it is still quite weak against heavy armoured classes. But being able to single hit any soft armoured class is enough to warrant a 100 gold price tag.

Mind you it's possible to teach the damage buff to any pet with a rare pet skill scroll. Basically all the buff is is a cleric buff for a pet that lasts an hour. There's one for physical defense, magical defense, and a reflect one as well. The fact that the phoenix has 20% more attack power at level 90 just makes it more evil. Thank you for the stats Zress, I knew I had seen those before.

And yes, it is a royal pain to level a phoenix or hercules from level 1 to whatever high level you're at, and you'll need hay or rarer fodder to raise its loyalty, and it'll cost money and or time... but that's why it's so powerful.

EDIT: As for PvP... most healer type clerics are in the same boat as mages so...

zionwarrior

Zress - Lost City wrote: »

just for the record dears... @lvl 90

Crystal Mag
HP:2934 ATTACK:3240 PDEF:8792 MDEF:5861 m/s:6.2

Kowlin
HP:2579 ATTACK:2218 PDEF:5575 MDEF:6689 m/s:10.4

Herculion
HP:4135 ATTACK:2672 PDEF:8952 MDEF:7161 m/s:8.1

Pheonix
HP:3446 ATTACK:4096 PDEF:8952 MDEF:10742 m/s:10.9

There are the stats, assuming the pets are at lvl 90 dears. sooo b:pleased for you one shot claims? yeah if the pet outleveled ya by like 10-20 levels or so. You know, how gankers do it dear.

Far as the claims of veno making money money money. that is more player skill then class skill so we can burst that bubble b:victory

far as money? this pet as the herculion when come out of the cash shop as a lvl 1 pet, the veno in turn has to level the dern thing to match them. anyone want to guess how much fun or how easy that is?b:chuckle, yes I am being sarcastic here.

myself I would LOVE to see it 30 to 50 dollars. Higher then that, even though I could afford it, i wont purchase it on sheer principle. as someone said, it is just pixels.

information on pets cam from http://www.ecatombs.net

thx for that info i play a decent veno an i do excellent dmg an i think i would enjoy a phoenix i might buy a few feathers then collect the rest so that way i wont have to go nutz trying to get 9.999 damin feathers lolz if that is wut theya re going to be to make a phoenix then i dont see a point anyways to make one u kno really no point but i think a phoenix would be cool but i dont see any phoint to it unless u want to buy and sell them u kno but why do that when u need the zen for the book to keep it happy after its loyalty is maxed u kno also quick question since it needs hay ect why does it need 500+ loyalty is that for the 20% attack increase or wut cause i can easly get the loyalty up then just use books forever u kno cause i make on average 500K a week or so that is enough for a book then some if u buy zen from the gold trade dont u think?
idk if ima get a phoenix or not tho so iws also i can pvp my friend barb and not die in 1 hit lolz unless he sparks i can usually take 3-6hits with no pots ect and dish out the mag dmg 2 hehe he hates it also my frog kicks his azz haha its hella funny hes lvl 43 im 44 an he has some kick azz 3* axes i made him but my frog if he pvps it will still win if i heal constantly its pretty dam funny so idk that the giant orge thing is worth a single cent but the phoenix might be never kno also they might make u have to collect a certain amount of feathers to get ur phoenix ever think of that even if u buy from the CS it could cost a ton so ima have my friends at high lvls collect feathers for me heheh then i wont have to worry ^.^ i will just supply them with charms ect for them i think that is a great trade they prolly will to hehe