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Ok i don't normally post in the forums much but this is urgent so yeah. Alright so i have this one char, level 34 archer in the lost city and the thing is i am highly out of date with skills because i don't have enough spirit to get them. If i were to purchase all the skills available to learn from the skill guy, i would have to spend over 160k spirit, the thing is, i only have 3.7k spirit . i won't need all the skills, but i need at least around 100k worth of spirit to get the skills i want. now i am here to ask: is my spirit/spirit gain below average or am i doing or did something wrong? or is it alright to have 10 must have skills sitting in the skill shop? i mean i don't manufacture or practice manufacturing at all. can someone give me some info or advice on what i should do if i should but am not? please?

Vaelissa - Heavens Tear

Everyone will have many skills they can't afford, you just have to choose how to specialize your character. You should be able to get everything eventually much, much further down the line, but for now just choose wisely.

You could also do loads of Dragon Quests and the daily crazy stone quest, both give nice amounts of spirit.

Ellyshia - Heavens Tear

you cannot get all the skills you want.

here's a link that maybe useful http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfrzdnmr_0chcxnv

erethizon1

Vaelissa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Everyone will have many skills they can't afford, you just have to choose how to specialize your character. You should be able to get everything eventually much, much further down the line, but for now just choose wisely.

You could also do loads of Dragon Quests and the daily crazy stone quest, both give nice amounts of spirit.

The trouble is that quests give large amounts of exp to go with the spirit so it does not really help. You just end up higher in level and just as far behind.

To the original poster, the first thing I would do is redefine "must have skills". There may be 10 skills you would like to have, but they are not all must have. I would recommend looking at all your "must have" skills and ranking them in order of importance and then getting just the top ones until you run out of spirit. There may be 10 skills I would like my cleric to have, but I can only afford to get 4 or 5 so that is what I raise. You should have enough spirit to get all your skills around level 90. Until then just get the most important ones.

If you really want to catch up the only way I know of is to die a lot. Every time you die you lose around 5% experience but no spirit so dying is an effective way to allow your spirit to catch up.

Twilyte - Heavens Tear

erethizon1 wrote: »

The trouble is that quests give large amounts of exp to go with the spirit so it does not really help. You just end up higher in level and just as far behind.

To the original poster, the first thing I would do is redefine "must have skills". There may be 10 skills you would like to have, but they are not all must have. I would recommend looking at all your "must have" skills and ranking them in order of importance and then getting just the top ones until you run out of spirit. There may be 10 skills I would like my cleric to have, but I can only afford to get 4 or 5 so that is what I raise. You should have enough spirit to get all your skills around level 90. Until then just get the most important ones.

If you really want to catch up the only way I know of is to die a lot. Every time you die you lose around 5% experience but no spirit so dying is an effective way to allow your spirit to catch up.

That is an interesting point, erethizon. I have a few friends new to the game that keep asking me advice on which skills they should get, as everyone will run into this problem. I reassure them that later in the game, at high end levels, they can go back and level up some of the skills that weren't deemed important at the time.

It's all about priorities and how you want your character to be played. An example that erethizon can relate to being a Cleric, is whether to focus on being a Support Cleric or an Attack Cleric. This choice of gameplay dictates whether you apply more points to buffs/heals or on attack spells/debuffs.

And although questing does give out large exp dumps in addition to the bonus spirit points, and you will still end up with the same imbalance. I am guessing that the OP was more of a grinder than a quester to begin with, hence the low spirit total versus the character level. If that is so, then the imbalance will be even greater by ignoring quests as you still out level the spirit gain, but the spirit gain deficit is much greater.

I never thought about the "dying" trick. It's a nifty idea if you want to keep balance and don't mind grinding to make up lost exp.

Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear

Its been said by others but a quick summary:

1. Get only whats important at the time, and fill the gaps later.
Talk to other players about a skill if you are uncertain 1st! Lots of veno's get the lvl 60 bramble thing thinking they can cast it on other players.. you can't. Thats just one example of spirit mismanagement.

Learn where and how to get spirit:

1.grind - the worst way
2.quests - contributes to at least 60% of what u'll use. Especially Culti quests.
3.Do FB's for other ppl
4.Do DQ, i knooow DQ realy sux and personally I don't do them, but it kinda beats mindless grind.
5.Remember ur daily gives some spirit.

Ps. dying is rather stupid, higher lvl = kill stronger mobs = gain more spirit per kill. Higher lvl quests give more spirit also.

erethizon1

Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its been said by others but a quick summary:

1. Get only whats important at the time, and fill the gaps later.
Talk to other players about a skill if you are uncertain 1st! Lots of veno's get the lvl 60 bramble thing thinking they can cast it on other players.. you can't. Thats just one example of spirit mismanagement.

Learn where and how to get spirit:

1.grind - the worst way
2.quests - contributes to at least 60% of what u'll use. Especially Culti quests.
3.Do FB's for other ppl
4.Do DQ, i knooow DQ realy sux and personally I don't do them, but it kinda beats mindless grind.
5.Remember ur daily gives some spirit.

Ps. dying is rather stupid, higher lvl = kill stronger mobs = gain more spirit per kill. Higher lvl quests give more spirit also.

It is not about total spirit, it is about experience to spirit ratio. The normal ratio is approximately 20% meaning if you get 100 exp you get 20 spirit as well. As long you are maintain that ratio you are continuing to fall behind. Doing a quest that gives you 1000 spirit is not doing you any good if it comes with 5000 exp as well because it is the same ratio and you are still falling behind. You may be pleased that you got 100,000 spirit from all your quests, but if it came with 500,000 exp you are now several levels higher and still way behind in skills. Doing other people's FB's and doing DQ may keep you from being bored as you level, but it does not help you keep up with your skills because you are gaining levels right along with spirit. Dying is the only way to actually catch spirit up. A level 50 character that has died 1000 times is stronger than one that has died 100 times because he has way more spirit and thus more skills. It is true that if he had not died he would be many levels higher, but when you look at a level 50 person you do not compare him to what he would have been if he never died, you compare him to other people of the same level. In this game the strongest characters are actually the ones that get killed the most (or more accurately the ones that lose the most experience).

I am not actually recommending that people die over and over again since your skills will eventually catch up, but by then you will be very high in level and will not even bother with using many of those skills that would have been useful if you simply had more spirit at a lower level. You are right that I am getting more spirit per kill now that I am higher in level, but I now have more skills and more expensive skills than ever so I am actually raising fewer skills than I was when I was lower in level even though I get more spirit per kill.

Iliketoheal - Harshlands

Also cant u get like badges that u can trade in at the messenger of sagas and he will give u spirit for that but i no u get badge of speed fron the dungden races but how do u get the other 1s?

carbuyer

I'm fairly new to this game and was having the same trouble with not being able to buy skills. Instead of dieing over and over again, I used my Genie to dump the XP into. I would think this could only be done in the beginning part of the game because the Genie catches up quite quickly. However, I have gotten nearly all of the skills I was lacking without gaining any levels and my Genie is benefiting from the XP infusion. I would think this a wiser way to go rather than killing yourself over and over again, at least the XP is being used.

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Your best bet is to read your class forums about what skills are the best to purchase.

It is a MYTH that you cannot learn all of your skills. As you level you will indeed earn enough spirit to learn every skill. Especially one you start doing EXP Instances like Forgotten Frostland. I have well over 25mil Spirit atm, becuase I have learned levle 10 or more of every skill my class has.

truekossy

Now if only this wasn't a necro that somehow survived and got necro'd again.


Wait, would that make it a double zombie or something?

konariraiden

DOUBLE ZOMBIE?!

b:shocked

That means I'll need a quadruple-barreled shotgun to kill it!

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...ah, here it is!

b:mischievous