Barbarians, not DDs?
bigpappa
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Why is it Barbarians seem to get the shortest end of the class stick? Both Blademasters and Barbarians can tank, so why can't Barbarians be effective DD's? It seems a bit silly, since the barbarian is already the slowest runner.
Other than being a standard tank, it really doesn't give any other reason to be a Barbarian rather than a Blademaster.
Other than being a standard tank, it really doesn't give any other reason to be a Barbarian rather than a Blademaster.
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blademasters can;t tank, barbs really are the only tanks in this game, honostly i feel like blademasters are slightly useless blend of tanking and damage, they can survive more than 1 hit but their damage compared mage/arch suffers and they lack constant range, now granted im not saying their ocmpletely useless but as far as tanking they pretty much are0
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What would ideal stats be for a level 40 barb then? So I can see if I'm even throwing the right stats around? I'm personally half ready to quit my barb and just remake as something else.0
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well first off magic = 5 don;t ever touch it, dex needs to atleast enough to use all your gear, then you gotta decide, for maximum tanking have enoguh str for ur gear and rest vit, for more damage and slightly easier leveling add a bit more to str0
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Adra thats not true at all... What makes barbs the only reliable tank is their agro skills, not the actual tanking ability
Sure they have alot of hp, but warrior with sutra has higher defense, which means its easier for cleric to heal since they get hit for less dmg.. The problem is a warrior cant hold agro from higher dmging classes such as archer
So overall, blademaster is a better solo class, with sutra and all, they really excel at soloing, but in a party, using a blademaster as a tank is a big mistake and will get everyone killed if his DPS isnt high enough0 -
Again, furthering my pondering why the Barbarians seem to suck as a class. As it is, we even level slower than a Veno.
All in all, I'd liked to have noticed this a lot sooner, it's ruined a bit of my wanting to remain a barb, but it's already level 40 for me. So, perhaps I'll call it quits on PW altogether.0 -
Might I point out that a class best made to be a tank and not a DPS will and should level slow? Who ever heard of a tank (That isn't meade for raw damage output) leveling fast? The class is challenging to level. Those who play it accept this fact.
And lol at comparing Barb leveling to Veno leveling. That's like comparing Celery to a Potato. They're very differemt, and are actually the Top (Veno) and Bottom (Barb) in terms of how fast they level.
Either stick with it or give up. Barb is not an easy class to train.
Just my two cents......Proud Pre-Launch CO and Pre-Launch STO Lifetime Subscriber.0 -
Bron, I think you missed my original point. It is why can't a barb be a dps? But thank you for the input.0
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well it would make the class unbalanced
the point is that a barb can tank and hold agro making it possible for classes that can do good dps to survive and do thier job. If they also had good dps then well that would make them the best class. Giving two of the main tactics to one class would unbalance that class. You basically want a barb to be closer to a cleric/mage from the magic point of view. The best of both sides of physical dmg abilities. Which is just unfair.0 -
Barbarians can have more def than blademasters
Barbarians are the ONLY class that can hold agro even with 5 wizards attacking
Barbarians can cancel monster skills(like aoe's) to ensure the survival of the whole group
Barbarians are much faster moving than blademasters when in tiger form.
In short, barbarians are the ONLY real tanks in game and they are the KEY members in TW/HH/Bosses/etc.0 -
Yep, barbarians are the fastest runner, 1st on the top. Venos are the 2nd, but still much slower than barbs. Blademasters are way slower.0
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Kyurii - Heavens Tear wrote: »Sure they have alot of hp, but warrior with sutra has higher defense, which means its easier for cleric to heal since they get hit for less dmg..
Not really. Blademasters have much less hp than Barbs have, which actually means its more difficult for cleric to heal because overhealing is a big issue when fighting vs hard hitting bosses. Its kinda hard to decide when to place a heal when blademasters hp bar going up and down like crazy
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Wizards can have more defense than barbarians. <--- TRUE STATEMENT NOT KIDDING O.O
Anyways, venomancers can run faster than a barbarian just so you guys know. You just don't know about the high end venomancers yet.
And stop whining about your crappy damage on your barbarian. You still get one of the strongest skills in the game if not the strongest.0 -
Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear wrote: »Barbarians can have more def than blademasters
Barbarians are the ONLY class that can hold agro even with 5 wizards attacking
Barbarians can cancel monster skills(like aoe's) to ensure the survival of the whole group
Barbarians are much faster moving than blademasters when in tiger form.
In short, barbarians are the ONLY real tanks in game and they are the KEY members in TW/HH/Bosses/etc.
Yes that is true, bars have skills that take aggro in humanoid and tiger form......
barbarian can do damage if u know how to build em....plus u can tank much stronger mobs and bosses...for Bm boss with 5 lvls above him he will die in 3 shots....
barb in begining looks good, goesu to sucky then at high lvls its very good char....speciyl if u know how to balance two forms.......so u can do decent dmg and tank......Elysium Guild "Let the fun begin" :cool:
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Haiz - Lost City wrote: »Anyways, venomancers can run faster than a barbarian just so you guys know. You just don't know about the high end venomancers yet.
Dont have to be high end. Just google it
Hell fox form gives +60% speed for SIX secs =.=
Can be helpful in pvp, but..barbarians are still faster rest of time0 -
k lvl 2 transformation skill +35% speed, -35% attack and +20% HP, think lvl 3 is for only lvl 89+ Wb with sage or hell culti....Elysium Guild "Let the fun begin" :cool:
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Barbs just totally ROCK dude! How many other classes have over 4000 hp at level 45, or a pdef of 3000? And an aggro skill that says "Come and get some of this!" And in human form you can stun, cause bleeding, Slam them around with your aoe knockback, and deal some fair damage.
But the best part of being a barb is that your job is Protector. You hold the aggro and take the hits so that your team members can unleash their Massive damage without dying. And with a cleric in the house? It's all good Bro...case closed, mission accomplished..Boss on his **** dead in no time flat. And the barb holds it all together and saves the squishy pretty girls from certain death.:D
The Power of a Barb....never underestimate it...."there is still much to be done"0 -
Why is it Barbarians seem to get the shortest end of the class stick? Both Blademasters and Barbarians can tank, so why can't Barbarians be effective DD's? It seems a bit silly, since the barbarian is already the slowest runner.
Other than being a standard tank, it really doesn't give any other reason to be a Barbarian rather than a Blademaster.
Barbarians are the fastest class... Dunno what you talking about. A tiger is faster than a human.Again, furthering my pondering why the Barbarians seem to suck as a class. As it is, we even level slower than a Veno.
All in all, I'd liked to have noticed this a lot sooner, it's ruined a bit of my wanting to remain a barb, but it's already level 40 for me. So, perhaps I'll call it quits on PW altogether.
Veno levels the fastest of all classes.....
The advantage of a Brabarian comes in the higher levels. Barbarians are needed to tank. A Blademaster is a sorry tank. Only a brabarian can tank efficiently, 'cause it cna hold on to aggro.
In later stages Barbarians will be a popular class while nobody gives a vrap about a Blademaster......0 -
Personally, I was glad to see Barbarians being a tanker class in PW rather than a damage dealer. Every game that's had a Barbarian, from Diablo to Age of Conan, have had them be raw damagers. I've always thought they'd be more suited toward taking damage, considering they have the gargantuan muscles to carry immense amounts of armor.
It's basically your choice, if you don't want to play a tank then make a new character. But if you do want to be a tank, play the class designed for it, Barbarian. It's obvious you like playing it, if it's Lv40.0 -
Why is it Barbarians seem to get the shortest end of the class stick? Both Blademasters and Barbarians can tank, so why can't Barbarians be effective DD's? It seems a bit silly, since the barbarian is already the slowest runner.
Other than being a standard tank, it really doesn't give any other reason to be a Barbarian rather than a Blademaster.
I like you to record a vid, where it shows a BM that can keep Agro 100% no matter how much Wiz - Veno and another BM is spamming their atk's and dont forget the cleric heals.
And just for the fun... put a barb in your group to and see who has the Agro!
This game is getting more & more Hostility each day.
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Everyone be easy on the guy, he's just a noob who doesn't understand class balance/roles.0
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Thank you Envy, that was similar to how I was going to reply, minus the insults.
To add to that quote: Why? Because they are not designed that way. Seriously. BM is an Off Tank, Barb is a Main Tank.
Dude learn the class balance and how classes are designed, please. One class cannot do everything, seriously. If they could, they'd be overpowered.
Barb is programmed to be a slow leveler exactly because of their lack of DPS. Seriously, find one game where a TANK can DPS/DD without gimping their tanking, and WoW doesn't count, since classes specialize there. I'm talking about games with more "set in stone" roles like here, where there's only so many ways to play a class.
Sure, I've seen strong Barbs, but every class can be "strong" when they're not in a dungeon and just goofing off, PVPing duels, or PKing or they'd just plain suck. When you need a Main Tank where it counts, you call a Barb. When you need a DPS or Off Tank, you call a BM.Proud Pre-Launch CO and Pre-Launch STO Lifetime Subscriber.0 -
I did some research, took what all of you said to heart, and I honestly apoligize for my not understanding classes better. Yes, what you folks said makes sense. For the one mentioning 4k on a lvl 45 barb, can you im me with a few pointers on how to handle my leveling? I just want to make sure I'm doing a decent job with it.
Again, I apoligize for being new to this, but I thank you all for your paitence and input.0 -
You're welcome, and it's ok. I'm sure everybody who replied will agree with me, it's ok as long as you listened and didn't just keep insisting, which you finally didn't.
Have fun with your decision, if you're gonna continue playing it.
The class ain't easy, and takes some patience.
Since you're not on Lost, I can't offer help you out, so all I can say is good luck.Proud Pre-Launch CO and Pre-Launch STO Lifetime Subscriber.0 -
Wei - Heavens Tear wrote: »Dont have to be high end. Just google it
Hell fox form gives +60% speed for SIX secs =.=
Can be helpful in pvp, but..barbarians are still faster rest of time
Actually you can spam fox form to human form over and over and keep the speed buff on at all times as long as you aren't attacking, but you have a pet to do that for you.
By the way wizard tanks > barbarian tanks. Oh yeah, I went there. Use me for your 59fbs, not some loser barbarian.0
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