End of the "Which Golem has better stats" Debate

senovit

Because its attack is teh suck.

siari

ohhh alright. but should it be used instead of the golem for training or whatever?

anastase

i got the golem, he's awesome. Keeps aggro and doesn't die so fast Thanks for posting the locations!

nwdst

I would just like to add that that this post is very picky. At level 90, the L17 golem is only 0.11386927806877704395354133454794% (yes...this is all it is) better in every stat. This is not comparing apples to oranges...it's like comparing apples on one side of the road to apples on the other side.

If you think that this is going to make you tank a FB89 boss better then you need to take a better look at the game. The L18 golem is 100k cheaper to get the same skills, and it's also 0.1 m/s faster. They are more close than any other pets of the same kind in the entire game, so why even compare the two? A lot of work for a meaningless comparison imho. For all intensive purposes, they are identical except for looks.

bron

Jeez, this thread exploded since I last saw it, eh? I was busy leveling in OB, so I didn't post on the forums for a while. Also school.

adrian wrote: »

We made Pet vs. Pet battle of Lavarime vs. lvl 17 Emerald Beetle (no healing, pets only fight each other. Beetle won (thought it could be by a chance). It has lower attack and hp, true. It has no usefull skills, true. However, it has better attack speed, evasion and magic defense. Skills, as opposed to stats, can be learned from books.

Here are stats of lvl 100 beetle and crystal:
http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eieg4.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gcsa1.jpg

I'd say they're quite comparable. With additional skills IMO beetle has potential to be a slighty better tank. However, main difference is: you HAVE to buy beetle Flesh Rend or Bash and level this skill up. Otherwise it won't keep aggro. Cash factor is what makes people prefer golem.

Just a heads up, notice the stats for what you say is a Crystal are actually for a Rime. It says caught at level 18. Kinda obvious from where you tested a Rime against a Beetle, but just saying, you said that the screens are Crystal/Beetle and they're not.

nwdst wrote: »

I would just like to add that that this post is very picky. At level 90, the L17 golem is only 0.11386927806877704395354133454794% (yes...this is all it is) better in every stat. This is not comparing apples to oranges...it's like comparing apples on one side of the road to apples on the other side.

If you think that this is going to make you tank a FB89 boss better then you need to take a better look at the game. The L18 golem is 100k cheaper to get the same skills, and it's also 0.1 m/s faster. They are more close than any other pets of the same kind in the entire game, so why even compare the two? A lot of work for a meaningless comparison imho. For all intensive purposes, they are identical except for looks.

Look, I know I said that people still prefer one over the other, but all I have seen is people dissing Crystals cause they think that it's actually weaker in stats than a Rime of the same level, when in fact those people are just ignorant and don't know that a lower level pet is better than any higher level of the same family. I made this thread to provide visual proof that the Crystal has higher stats.

Being picky is kinda the point here, showing that being picky about stats does make a difference in what golem is taken as a pet. Personal savings also comes into play here, and if you can afford Crustaceous (Crystal) and another level of Bash (Rime).


About the Beetle Discussion:
I looked at the screens of the Rime and Level 1 Beetle (These are found in the newbie Beast starting area, and I think also the Elf starting area, if you need to find one). The level 2 Red and Blue are in the same family but are slightly weaker (It's the same as comparing Rime to Crystal in this thread).

Judging by that screen provided, golem makes a better physical tank, while beetle makes a better magic tank. Personally, when I get more than three pet slots (I still have two on PWI actually, and still am yet to get that third, not planning on a forth for a while) I plan to get and raise a beetle for tanking magic spewing mobs/bosses. So why argue Beetle/Golem? They're both good.

By the way I'm probably going to update this thread with locations now that I can go ingame, and probably the same with the one on MY. Would be better if I could fly, but I'll get there eventually. Ten levels to go.

shwick

The first post says

"There are also "elite" golems that wander around further to the west. These have similar stats when they are tamed (they lose their elite status when tamed). Of course taming an elite pet is much harder."

Are these pets permanently stronger than a normal crystal golem when tamed?

bron

:eek: You seeem to have missed the whole entire point of the thread, which is to kill that very misconception, to disprove that anything elite stays elite when caught. It's even in the part you quoted. How could you miss that? Elite mobs still follow the rule of levels.

Hooray for having to restate the obvious. :rolleyes:

denyer

"a lower level pet is better than any higher level of the same family." so what you are saying is that if i tame a lvl 1 beetle and a lvl 3 beetle, the lvl 1 is better. right?

senovit

There are 2 or 3 different families of beetles. If they're the same kind (same picture in the pet backpack) then yes, the level 1 one will be better.

stilken

For those who do not know Crystal is crystaline magmite and rime is volcanic magmite

Belial - Heavens Tear

denyer wrote: »

"a lower level pet is better than any higher level of the same family." so what you are saying is that if i tame a lvl 1 beetle and a lvl 3 beetle, the lvl 1 is better. right?

The level one is better once it has levelled up to level 10 than the level three is once it has levelled up to level 10, and so on.

The 'younger' a pet is when capped, the better the stats are on it.

dageloth

Belial - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The level one is better once it has levelled up to level 10 than the level three is once it has levelled up to level 10, and so on.

The 'younger' a pet is when capped, the better the stats are on it.

I have the level 1 Jade Qunifu(sp?) which has the healing skill as its base, so the one I should be aiming for is the level 2 one outside city of lost?

As it seems that the level 1 beetle may have better stats but with no attack skill to speak of it would be far too expensive to upgrade it.

Do I have this right?

Meelan - Heavens Tear

ok i'm new to pw so i have a question about the skills the pets have....how do you lvl their skills...where do i get books for their skills...only ones i find at the veno pet trainer are my skill for healing..reviving and such. i want to know how to lvl my pets skills...thanks

Foxysally - Heavens Tear

nwdst wrote: »

I would just like to add that that this post is very picky. At level 90, the L17 golem is only 0.11386927806877704395354133454794% (yes...this is all it is) better in every stat. This is not comparing apples to oranges...it's like comparing apples on one side of the road to apples on the other side.

If you think that this is going to make you tank a FB89 boss better then you need to take a better look at the game. The L18 golem is 100k cheaper to get the same skills, and it's also 0.1 m/s faster. They are more close than any other pets of the same kind in the entire game, so why even compare the two? A lot of work for a meaningless comparison imho. For all intensive purposes, they are identical except for looks.

so it's between better stats or better skills
if that % u say is true than i rather go for the lvl 18 one since it's ALOT cheaper and 0.1m/s faster.
plus having that little of a difference between them is some what pointless, unless u got the money to spend on the lvl 17 one

Lotus - Lost City

bron wrote: »

Yea there was, and I always saw people on MY telling others to get a Rime. People blindly insist that Rime is better so I made this test to prove them wrong.

The Rimes are called Volcanics in PWI

senovit

Meelan - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok i'm new to pw so i have a question about the skills the pets have....how do you lvl their skills...where do i get books for their skills...only ones i find at the veno pet trainer are my skill for healing..reviving and such. i want to know how to lvl my pets skills...thanks

Mrs. Zoologist in the southeast corner of archosaur sells pet books.

Danni - Heavens Tear

dageloth wrote: »

I have the level 1 Jade Qunifu(sp?) which has the healing skill as its base, so the one I should be aiming for is the level 2 one outside city of lost?

As it seems that the level 1 beetle may have better stats but with no attack skill to speak of it would be far too expensive to upgrade it.

Do I have this right?

If money is the reason know that making money gets MUCH easier later on (as in all games).

Solky - Lost City

Was looking for this. Thanks

chickenwingling

K I'm am a UBER noob with Venos k!

So plz, can you provide the names in PWI format. The one some 8x told me to tame was the Volcanic Magmanite or something along those lines (the one in front of the Cave of Fire by etherblade). Did I make the right choice?


EDIT: Shoot just read the above... guess I chose the wrong one Hmmm lv34 now so is it too late to get a crystalline one? (that's what it's called in PWI right?)

bzbee

chickenwingling wrote: »

K I'm am a UBER noob with Venos k!

So plz, can you provide the names in PWI format. The one some 8x told me to tame was the Volcanic Magmanite or something along those lines (the one in front of the Cave of Fire by etherblade). Did I make the right choice?


EDIT: Shoot just read the above... guess I chose the wrong one Hmmm lv34 now so is it too late to get a crystalline one? (that's what it's called in PWI right?)

I had a crystalline at 17 and a volcanic at 18, tamed them both to 42 and stopped using the volcanic because the stats were not as good as the crystalline. I didn't take screenies though so can't really tell you how much difference.

Pets aren't hard to level so if you want to go crystalline, its not too late. I trained a level 8 sawfly to level 46 in about 3 days.

chickenwingling

K I started the Crystalline and got him to lv 36 now (after 6 levels - probably 'cause of quest bonus exp too so it got delayed that long) ^^

But I took comparative pictures for you guys ^^

The stats - BARELY any difference but the Volcanic one has toughen which is cool. But- all that aside the Crystalline has slightly higher stats in everything. ^^

So up to you which you ultimately prefer

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3733/78341423ha6.png

Sigr - Heavens Tear

bzbee wrote: »

I had a crystalline at 17 and a volcanic at 18, tamed them both to 42 and stopped using the volcanic because the stats were not as good as the crystalline. I didn't take screenies though so can't really tell you how much difference.

Pets aren't hard to level so if you want to go crystalline, its not too late. I trained a level 8 sawfly to level 46 in about 3 days.

The Volcanic when compared against the Crystaline stat wise has :
4 less Health HP
2 less Attack
2 less Accuracy
10 less P. Def
7 less M. Def
1 less Evasion
And at some levels it will be .1 faster, but normally the same speed.

That was from tracked stats 18-29, and based on that I feel comfortable stating that there isn't a bit of a difference worth quibbling over except abilities and how hard they are to tame when the character is same level.

And the Attack numbers are at tamed, but even at max loyalty it should only be a difference of 3, at the most.

_Sword_Man_ - Heavens Tear

zoefox wrote: »

I'm not sure which golem is which in this version.

Basically there was a major name change on alot of things due to the new expansions(you knew that)

so:

Fiery Lava Rime = Volcanic Magmite i believe (correct me if im wrong)

Molten Lava Crystal = Crystaline Magmite
' hope this helps^^

Good Luck

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

dang this is old.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

Stunning necro!


Anyway - the modern answer is "Glacial Walker"

MANray_ - Sanctuary

_Sword_Man_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Basically there was a major name change on alot of things due to the new expansions(you knew that)

so:

Fiery Lava Rime = Volcanic Magmite i believe (correct me if im wrong)

Molten Lava Crystal = Crystaline Magmite
' hope this helps^^

Good Luck

Names are not different because of expansions, they're different translation altogether. OP was refering to names used in PW-MY.

And i'm usually not one to care but thisreally is an old necro.

tweakz

Higher level is faster = better stat

_Surreal_ - Heavens Tear

that is one hawt necrob:mischievousb:chuckle

Havilah - Sanctuary

Recently cleared my bookmark a little, removed this one since it was soo outdated. Now what do I see...