Archer, worried now.

ghost6989

Ok when I first heard about this game I was psyched, and I said to myself, I am making an Archer, but after reading some of the things here I am not sure anymore...

So anyway in your honest opinion, this is to mainly people who played the game before. What would be the best class for a brand new player.

sigoh

any class you want. Classes arent "experience level" specific. by what you wanna be. and then once you decide, learn how to build ^^

karmelia

My first char on the MY-EN servers was an archer.

it was a fun class to play. I only abandonned it because I was lagging too much there.

Closed beta is a great time for you to experiment a bit with all class to see which one is more suited to your play style.

SInce there will be a wipe at the end, your time will not be lost if you try a class you don't like after having played it a bit.

mystic

Anything but mage is good for a first timer. Archer is a good choice for a first time pvp-centered player.

katsu

If you take cost into consideration too...yeh sure Archer is pretty fun, but if u plan to zhen/aoe lvl/hiero and pvp with equips later on its the MOST expensive class to play, 2nd to that would be wizard, 3rd would be cleric and the rest are alot lower on maintenance.

aland

katsu wrote: »

If you take cost into consideration too...yeh sure Archer is pretty fun, but if u plan to zhen/aoe lvl/hiero and pvp with equips later on its the MOST expensive class to play, 2nd to that would be wizard, 3rd would be cleric and the rest are alot lower on maintenance.

Archers are NOT the most expensive class to play. U need to fight the right mobs, u save money on fix equips, red pots, etc. Not to mention that archer armor are already the cheapest out of them coz they are pretty much specific to archers.

Where does the extra cost of archer come from?? arrows?? LOL those are so cheap once u get to a higher lvl.

if u want to zhen party, it will cost AS MUCH AS the cleric, wizard. but the benefit of archer in zhen party is that u can just leave ur computer on and go afk.

kamina

Archer's aoe uses more mp than the EP/MG's and thus drains up hieros a lot quicker in zhen parties from my experience.

aland

kamina wrote: »

Archer's aoe uses more mp than the EP/MG's and thus drains up hieros a lot quicker in zhen parties from my experience.

they don't use more mp, they seem to use more mp coz they have small mp pool to begin with. With hiero u will use them at the same speed. Using lv 60 pots can allow u to zhen none spot if u lock ur key.

tres

aland your wrong

With maxed out zhen skills EA uses A LOT more of a hiero then EP and MG with a maxed MG zhen it = the EP zhen in consumption of a hiero.

hypnos

Max Arrow Bombard = 540MP/3sec. Max Roasting Fire Array = 300MP/3s. Max EP zhen (I don't remeber the name) = 500MP/5sec.

Archers are the most expensive characters to zhen with.

tres

Just an FYI there is no max EP zhen as its not an upgradeable skill

lazor

Archers r the ultimate killing machines..hard to find, hard to catch and by the time u do find them ur dead,

aland

that's why ppl don't max their skill for zhen parties. Usually lv 4 or even 3 is suffice. If u want to zhen party, and u go higher then i don't know what to say.

tres

aland wrote: »

that's why ppl don't max their skill for zhen parties. Usually lv 4 or even 3 is suffice. If u want to zhen party, and u go higher then i don't know what to say.

that one statement alone tells me you havent zhenned into the later levels where if your zhen isnt max and your an EA your worthless

aland

tres wrote: »

that one statement alone tells me you havent zhenned into the later levels where if your zhen isnt max and your an EA your worthless

Ever heard of a thing called maximized efficiency?? If u want to max ur AOE and kill mob so quickly, and using up so much mp, b4 they have chance to respawn, then i do question ur intelligence.

I agree it does need to be maxed at higher level. Money for heirograms are easily obtainable at high lvl (everything else is cheap for archers so its easy for archer). And I am sure the whoever is saying that archers cost "more", are not saying that it ONLY cost more at higher lvl. (note ONLY is the keyword)

Ur one statement tells me how narrow minded you are without looking at the big picture.

U want a class that is cheap for weapons, equip, fixing costs, pots, AND cheap ZHEN, and have the ability to go AFK when the pullers are working their **** off?? LOL!!

tres

aland wrote: »

Ever heard of a thing called maximized efficiency?? If u want to max ur AOE and kill mob so quickly, and using up so much mp, b4 they have chance to respawn, then i do question ur intelligence.

I agree it does need to be maxed at higher level. Money for heirograms are easily obtainable at high lvl (everything else is cheap for archers so its easy for archer). And I am sure the whoever is saying that archers cost "more", are not saying that it ONLY cost more at higher lvl. (note ONLY is the keyword)

Ur one statement tells me how narrow minded you are without looking at the big picture.

U want a class that is cheap for weapons, equip, fixing costs, pots, AND cheap ZHEN, and have the ability to go AFK when the pullers are working their **** off?? LOL!!

Overall the Hiero cost for an EA will cripple you. Don't believe me? Go ask any high level EA onthe PW MY-EN server. I have a level 78 Archer a Level 95 Mage a Level 73 WF and a Level 72 EP. I said higher levels the zhen needs to be maxed not for efficiency BUT TO HOLD AGGRO.

Yes based on what i've got i want a class thats cheap over all and you know don't want to put work into it hahaha good one.

aland

tres wrote: »

Overall the Hiero cost for an EA will cripple you. Don't believe me? Go ask any high level EA onthe PW MY-EN server. I have a level 78 Archer a Level 95 Mage a Level 73 WF and a Level 72 EP. I said higher levels the zhen needs to be maxed not for efficiency BUT TO HOLD AGGRO.

Yes based on what i've got i want a class thats cheap over all and you know don't want to put work into it hahaha good one.

OVerall u save on everything, and have enough money for heiro. Going zhen party all the time will cripple ANY class that require heirogram. No need to emphasis what lvl characters u have, I dont' really care what lvl characters u "claim" to have, because ur argument clearly fail and shows otherwise in everyway.

To hold agro, u need max lvl AOE? LOL, so all the other ppl who have only lv 4 or so AOE skills, are just magically agroing the mobs?

If u go full str or something in ur archer, not even max aoe skill will hold agro, sorry.

Its not the issue of whether I trust u or not. I trust myself and my experience more than anyone. No need for me to disclose what lvl char I have, because no one cares lol.

tres

Oh your so smart i mean when me and Jovent tested a EA's zhen aggro at the hell 106 spot you know with actual good gear it was amazing that my MG was able to take Aggro even with a maxed EA full agi EA zhen. Here are the stats read them and be quiet

1. Jovent

Level 92 EA
(forgot the name of his gold 90 Bow) +10
Level 10 Arrow Bombard
Pure Agility Build

2. Tres_Iqus
Level 94 MG
Heavenly SoulSuppressor +8
Level 10 Roasting Fire Array
Int/Con Build with around 16x Con and Int 330++ (forgot exact amount)

What Happened?
We ended up splitting aggro i survived only because i had enough hp with a Werebeasts HP buff to survive. Please stop arguing if you don't even have any experience. It makes you look silly

Oh and do you even know how many hiero's you need to level at higher levels? thats where the cripple comes from . I drowned 200 Cubigold like it was nothing in less then a month easy. ON A MG

aland

tres wrote: »

Oh your so smart i mean when me and Jovent tested a EA's zhen aggro at the hell 106 spot you know with actual good gear it was amazing that my MG was able to take Aggro even with a maxed EA full agi EA zhen. Here are the stats read them and be quiet

1. Jovent

Level 92 EA
(forgot the name of his gold 90 Bow) +10
Level 10 Arrow Bombard
Pure Agility Build

2. Tres_Iqus
Level 94 MG
Heavenly SoulSuppressor +8
Level 10 Roasting Fire Array
Int/Con Build with around 16x Con and Int 330++ (forgot exact amount)

What Happened?
We ended up splitting aggro i survived only because i had enough hp with a Werebeasts HP buff to survive. Please stop arguing if you don't even have any experience. It makes you look silly

Oh and do you even know how many hiero's you need to level at higher levels? thats where the cripple comes from . I drowned 200 Cubigold like it was nothing in less then a month easy. ON A MG

OK, u r still hung up on high lvl chars only. LOL
mate, look at the whole picture!!!! refer to my post above.

I am not gonna say anything anymore, anyone with a sound mind will see my point. you obviously fail to do so.

tres

Then you've obviously not been reading the build up to this. This was all about the cost of EA's zhenning not just using a hiero to grind thanks.

aland

tres wrote: »

Then you've obviously not been reading the build up to this. This was all about the cost of EA's zhenning not just using a hiero to grind thanks.

LOL u never cease to suprise me.

I really thought for someone to post something like u did, u would at least read the posts first!! I will stop making u look "silly" now, I am sure u r feeling a bit silly right now if u r still reading this.

Your logic has failed every step of the way, i really do feel bad for pointing it out. Another thing, stop emphasising what chars u claim to have. It really means nothing if u can't make a logical argument.

tres

Apart from disbarring your lazy comment i havent emphasized what chars i have just gave you a detailed coverage on Aggro holding at higher levels where you have already admitted you have no idea what your talking about .

Get anyone to read this thread and find out who made who look silly .

Mr. It only looks like EA use more mp because of their smaller mp pools

faruxue

EAs cost a lot, they're not a newbie friendly class. You need lots of experience and money to back up your EA or else you'll level slow and unable to compete at high levels.
EAs are most effected by the godliness of their gears compared to other classes, a rich EA would have way easier time pvping than a poor EA.

aland

Anyways, to the OP.

You shouldn't worry about archer being too expensive, u get cheap armor, weapons, pot costs, and fix costs. It does become more expensive at higher lvls (curtesy to tres), but overall you will be okay because hopefully u have already saved some money in earlier lvls (which is really easy to do). To hold agro however, just make sure u do add a decent amount of dex and you will be fine. How high u get ur aoe skills to depends on a lot of things, and you will know when u get to that stage. So no point listening to ppl who keep saying how bad **** they are coz they have high lvl chars. A lot of ppl have high lvl chars also have bad judgement, there are also those who claim to have high lvl chars to try to persuade u that their "logic" is true because they can't find a more feasible arguement.

faruxue

Tres does have high levels, i've seen them :cool:

tres

@_@ your names not familiar yet i'm being watched.... this feels awkward =o

taelrak

aland wrote: »

Anyways, to the OP.

You shouldn't worry about archer being too expensive, u get cheap armor, weapons, pot costs, and fix costs. It does become more expensive at higher lvls (curtesy to tres), but overall you will be okay because hopefully u have already saved some money in earlier lvls (which is really easy to do). To hold agro however, just make sure u do add a decent amount of dex and you will be fine. How high u get ur aoe skills to depends on a lot of things, and you will know when u get to that stage. So no point listening to ppl who keep saying how bad **** they are coz they have high lvl chars. A lot of ppl have high lvl chars also have bad judgement, there are also those who claim to have high lvl chars to try to persuade u that their "logic" is true because they can't find a more feasible arguement.

Well... sort of. It's fairly easy for Archers to grind solo, and so you might save a bit on fix costs and health pot costs (but not necessarily mp pot costs). But in reality, fix costs and pot costs are minimal for almost any class up to 60. Armor and weapon costs aren't any cheaper than those of any other class. But even if you did save early on, the money you save in your early levels don't make up for the money you spend in later levels or the other costs of the class - leveling is incredibly fast the first 60 levels and equipment isn't really all that meaningful since you outgrow it so fast (there are a few key items that make your life easier that you'll use for a dozen levels or so though).

Don't forget Archers also have to sink a fortune to keep their ammo supplies up to date.

Not going to get into the whole "higher level / cost thing" except to say that Tres is right . There are a few other factors that go into Archer damage (like distance), but I'm going to assume that since it's Jovent and Tres we're talking about, they'll be at the optimal distance and all that anyway, so it's not a real issue.

Also, since the whole point is to have the Archer grab more hate than the Wizard during zhen (assuming the Wizard is more squishy than the Archer - this isn't always true), you'll eat up your equipment a lot faster and have to pay more for repairs. This also means of course, that your hp hiero will jump a lot more (although in a good group it shouldn't, but it's inevitable every now and then).

Also, casters, especially wizards, will have a ton of int and +regen (cleric buff, which everyone will get, but also the huge int bonus, and wizards have frost shield if they're sure they don't need to tank)--more regen = less mana used in the long run regardless of whether you're grinding or doing runs or whatever.

kyou

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