Make the PvE server the first one listed

handsomethecarlos · July 2008

i hate botters, they dont let you attack and they dont leave u alone

ark · July 2008

...Just stop the "conversation" here. If people want to join a server with a majority opinion on a "boring endgame", then they're entitled to it. We might realize that they will wish they had joined the open-pk server after they hit endgame, but will have limited PK options and thus be bored... but the people we should be focusing on at this point in time is ourselves. Plan your guild, your levelling plan, and decide the class best-suited for your playstyle. If you spend time worrying about people that usually don't know what they're getting into, then you hurt your own experience with the new server.

... Get your acts together and end this. Three to six people on this board enjoy(somehow) a server without PK. A small minority. I'll restate it: Wasting your time on them detracts from time you could be spending refining yourself and your guild.

- Chaos :cool:

t0yo · July 2008

arcane wrote: »

So how does picking on mobs make you feel?

You have a point sokyuu but Arcane actually trump carded your reasoning

karmelia · July 2008

ark wrote: »

...Just stop the "conversation" here. If people want to join a server with a majority opinion on a "boring endgame", then they're entitled to it. We might realize that they will wish they had joined the open-pk server after they hit endgame, but will have limited PK options and thus be bored... but the people we should be focusing on at this point in time is ourselves. Plan your guild, your levelling plan, and decide the class best-suited for your playstyle. If you spend time worrying about people that usually don't know what they're getting into, then you hurt your own experience with the new server.

... Get your acts together and end this. Three to six people on this board enjoy(somehow) a server without PK. A small minority. I'll restate it: Wasting your time on them detracts from time you could be spending refining yourself and your guild.

- Chaos :cool:

Akr's lies higlighted in BOLD

Would you please stop spreading lies about the optional-PK server? Thank you.

ark · July 2008

There was a thread not too long ago where people posted their server preference. Out of about 20 people, 3 posted "PvE". The 17 others posted their PvP choice with reason that "PvE would be boring". My post has the truth. While some may not be bored, the current majority of people on this board will be.

karmelia · July 2008

ark wrote: »

There was a thread not too long ago where people posted their server preference. Out of about 20 people, 3 posted "PvE". The 17 others posted their PvP choice with reason that "PvE would be boring". My post has the truth. While some may not be bored, the current majority of people on this board will be.

Lol. 20 people hardly represent the +1000 already regsitered on the forums.

Stop taking your fantasies for realities.

ark · July 2008

karmelia wrote: »

Lol. 20 people hardly represent the +1000 already regsitered on the forums.

Stop taking your fantasies for realities.

Hm. Well, if 98% of the American population didn't vote, the majority is decided by the 2% regardless of what represents the country. As a side not, these boards haven't reached 1000+ members just yet.

koz · July 2008

Really the majority of people in this forum have only played the MY version and have no idea how the pk on/off button works. Honestly, as long as the RQ people are here it will never end. They are just those kinds of people who can't just play their own server and shut up. So we just have to wait until they quit or get banned (again) and then these threads will die down.

ark · July 2008

koz wrote: »

Really the majority of people in this forum have only played the MY version and have no idea how the pk on/off button works. Honestly, as long as the RQ people are here it will never end. They are just those kinds of people who can't just play their own server and shut up. So we just have to wait until they quit or get banned (again) and then these threads will die down.

Hm. Tbh, I'd prefer if they didn't quit... The things they start are quite amusing

tenkei · July 2008

This thread amuses me, hardly any useful data on it. I would say for this decision why don't the admin's setup a polling then and let the players tell them which to list first. If there is a 1000+ people registered a more official and allowing anonimity polling might get better response to end, or at least tame, this silly quiviling between sides.

arcane · July 2008

Karmelia - Because every forum needs a **** Carebear.

karmelia · July 2008

arcane wrote: »

Karmelia - Because every forum needs a **** Carebear.

When people feel they've lost an arguement, they turn to insults because they have nothing else left to them.

arcane · July 2008

karmelia wrote: »

When people feel they've lost an arguement, they turn to insults because they have nothing else left to them.

Ya, because I have totally posted on this thread ONE TIME before now.
I didn't argue, I am judging from what I have seen.

soukyuu · July 2008

t0yo wrote: »

You have a point sokyuu but Arcane actually trump carded your reasoning

i don't think so. i'm not killing mobs to show how 1337 i am, but too many PKers do it just for that reason. And this is what I don't want. So being called names just because i don't want to do something is pretty immature.

ninjer · July 2008

blaze wrote: »

he first server will be full of **** who can't freaking check the forums first before joinning a server.

I agree with karmelia, PvE first pl0x.

t0yo · July 2008

soukyuu wrote: »

i don't think so. i'm not killing mobs to show how 1337 i am, but too many PKers do it just for that reason. And this is what I don't want. So being called names just because i don't want to do something is pretty immature.

P.S this isn't a message just to sokyuu, its another t0yo rant >_>. Btw sokyuu I've seen you on the pwmy boards right? You had a wf avatar

Didn't you do just the same by branding most pkers as "No lifers" or "Testing e-peniz"?

I don't get it with some of you people. In your eyes its ok to call us terms yet when we call you something you totally get angry about it.

Don't get me wrong, when it comes to gaming I do sort of no life them for a while. Like a week or 2 just to get the edge over normal players. Does that mean I have no life? Then again what defines having a life?

Personally I don't agree with no lifing games 24/7. I usually take a minor break then because I lack the irl socialization even though I get quite an amount in game. As for E-**** at the end of the day everyone plays mmos for that very same reason. In every human being there is an inate desire to compete, now whether its a subconscious thought or not its there. Even PvE player wise, having better gear killing higher lvl mobs will please for that sole idea. Denying it is the same as denying any other emotion whether it be love or hate.

I personally don't get offended by what people call me, especiallllllllllllly on the internet. The term carebear was used on me once too many time. ****, Homo, Idiot, ****, 40yearoldrper, pedo..... XD The more you show people you're pissed off at the term the more they're going to call you that.

Personally I don't use carebear as a derogatory term, considering I am personally not offended by it although that doesn't excuse me using it.

To koz and the rest taking it out on RQ, I still can't understand your point. If you hate us so much why not prove it wrong in game? Koz would probably stoop that low but Karmelia at least is using some logic in her posts. Its not just RQ that was proposing the deletion of the PvE server, we probably were a majority so what? We just thought (Like a majority of the other forum users) that it would be best to enable both PvE servers so that the servers won't end up unbalaneced. Gms cussed us out for trying to give our opinion, albeit with did harshly they just resorted with the typical PW-MY admins smile. Though in this case its understandable because at the end of the day they want to please everyone. I just hope that this won't effect later decisions in were the everyone is turned to them

We're supposed to have the freedom to say what we want here. Or you guys want this to turn into another PW-MY where totally controversial topics are taboo and just because you guys don't agree with anyone you have to pull the oh so typical "GM GM BAN THEM THEY SAY BAD THINGS"

I would expect better from fellow PvE'rs. To be honest it seems switching to the PvP bandwaggon there is wayyyyyyyyyy less drama to be had because instead of drama there is just pk and instead of friends betraying others and fighting over guild disputes and so on the PvP is there to replace all that. The only difference I suppose is that when it comes to PvP we take it as it is, a game and you, you guys turn it into this twisted form of masochism seen in prison camps. Don't get me wrong I understand your point to some degree because in PW-MY there were annoying griefers like that, although if you think similar **** is going to go down in this server you are absolutely mistaken. In fact you are subconsciously contributing to this server's community degrading with your actions. The whole Gm-calling for things you don't agree with, the whole "You're this" "NO U" and similar counter disputes

I'm not saying not to argue with one another. Heck if anything I'm saying argue even more! Just try and use some darn logic in your posts (Unless you want to be funny ;D)

koz · July 2008

RQ is leading the charge to get rid of the PVE server. Why would we NOT take it out on you? You guys think that the GMs cater to your every need. They made a pvp server, shut up and move on. You don't get to decide what happens to both servers, or even 1 for that matter. GMs did not cuss you out, so please stop disrespecting them and posting lies. That is why some of your members were banned from the forums. You've never even played a server with the pk on/off option so you have no idea what it is like, yet you can still post that the pure pvp server is better? I don't get it.

~ciao

t0yo · July 2008

koz wrote: »

RQ is leading the charge to get rid of the PVE server. Why would we NOT take it out on you? GMs did not cuss you out, so please stop disrespecting them and posting lies. That is why some of your members were banned from the forums. You've never even played a server with the pk on/off option so you have no idea what it is like, yet you can still post that the pure pvp server is better? I don't get it.

~ciao

1.Misunderstanding by cussed out I meant the steretypical "We don't care attitude"
2. Leading the charge xD? We just posted our ideas and people agreed with us. Why are you the ones hating us yet at the same time giving us such importance
3.Some of our members. =_=;
4.Have you played a server with the pve/pvp function? OH RIGHT NO. There is a private server with it on. /I/ never said the pvp server is better I just said that the way its positioned a lot of problems are going to occur. ShizzleI might be wrong but most gamers from personal experience were agreeing that considering there might be unbalanced servers, lack of cash shop use on PvE server it might cause problems to this version as a whole.
Get your mind out of the gutter for a second and not flame every friggin PvPer you see, and try to see both pros and cons of something before trying to start a riot
The only benefit of having a PvE server is that people won't be bothered whilst training, a little slighter then it is on the normal servers like in MY. Considering the amount of ksing that is going to happen because of AoE parties and all the drama didn't you think for a second that its going to work against your whole notion of a "Friendly Server?"

Don't try and act like a smart **** by speaking in my native tongue, perche non sono nel umore, e tanto credo che neanche sai parlare l italiano, usi solo google translator ;D e tanto quello non traducera quello che sto dicendo.

Go report me for speaking in italian ;D Though technically you'd have to get in much trouble as me

merulz · July 2008

t0yo wrote: »

1.Misunderstanding by cussed out I meant the steretypical "We don't care attitude"
2. Leading the charge xD? We just posted our ideas and people agreed with us. Why are you the ones hating us yet at the same time giving us such importance
3.Some of our members. =_=;
4.Have you played a server with the pve/pvp function? OH RIGHT NO. There is a private server with it on. /I/ never said the pvp server is better I just said that the way its positioned a lot of problems are going to occur. ShizzleI might be wrong but most gamers from personal experience were agreeing that considering there might be unbalanced servers, lack of cash shop use on PvE server it might cause problems to this version as a whole.
Get your mind out of the gutter for a second and not flame every friggin PvPer you see, and try to see both pros and cons of something before trying to start a riot
The only benefit of having a PvE server is that people won't be bothered whilst training, a little slighter then it is on the normal servers like in MY. Considering the amount of ksing that is going to happen because of AoE parties and all the drama didn't you think for a second that its going to work against your whole notion of a "Friendly Server?"

Don't try and act like a smart **** by speaking in my native tongue, perche non sono nel umore, e tanto credo che neanche sai parlare l italiano, usi solo google translator ;D e tanto quello non traducera quello che sto dicendo.

Go report me for speaking in italian ;D Though technically you'd have to get in much trouble as me

t0yo, you write good essays. And you write them fast. Do my school work for me! :mad:

It's just because you live in Italy...

devotion · July 2008

LEAVE THE PVE SERVER BUT STOP SPREADING LIES TO PEOPLE NEW TO THIS GAME THAT IT WILL BE A 24/7 PK FEST BECAUSE IT ISNT. SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE RIDICULOUS!

grr... hope the got your attention :eek:

moop · July 2008

i think it's fine if the pve server is the first one listed and if people lie about how it's really like on a pvp server..

it's a way to filter out the good from the bad

why is it even a big deal.. do you guys seriously WANT to have a server full of people who have no concept of research?

t0yo · July 2008

People pulling out the ban card **** me off. Just because they suck at debating they have to call on their puppet pals to finish their bidding.

Seriously the only thing I like about you americans is freedom of speech, you have no idea how lucky you are to have it there. On the other hand here... the story is somewhat different

I'm actually agreeing with them to make the PvE server first, although not for the same reason and I still get flamed. Unlike most of the other PvE'rs I'm trying to understand your point and ultimately it falls on people having different tastes but the reason I disliked the PvE server is because like I've said already

1. I am a very social person. I wanna dream where one community can be on one server
2. I'm scared it might **** up the game and I dunno about you guys. Moving from PW-CN->PW-MY->PW-MY-EN -> PW-PrivateServers-> PW-International I can't stand the same thing happening over and over again.

Have your PvE server and go play in it. If in 1-3 months the server will still be alive and by alive meaning no people leaving because you get ksed and can't do anything about it.

Or else the server ends up closing because of lack of finance

Or else the PvE drama reaches a pinnacle to subside the whole community

then we were lucky with our assumptions and we can dance the told you so dance

Otherwise if the PvE server turns out to be mega succesful and the PvP server becomes empty come ahead and laugh at us.

karmelia · July 2008

t0yo wrote: »

(a lots of things I won,t quote for brievety

In my eyes, it's those who want a PvP server only that are playing the drama queens in here.

THEY are the one calling names on those who don't want to play on THEIR server.

THEY want to enforce THEIR style of play upon everybody.

We don't. I don't think any of us proposed to have only PvE oriented servers.

So tell me, who's fuelling drama here? RQ and their little friends.

None of us pissed off the GM/Admins/mod. THEY did.

If you are even too blind to see that, then maybe you need new glasses.

koz · July 2008

t0yo wrote: »

1.Misunderstanding by cussed out I meant the steretypical "We don't care attitude"
2. Leading the charge xD? We just posted our ideas and people agreed with us. Why are you the ones hating us yet at the same time giving us such importance
3.Some of our members. =_=;
4.Have you played a server with the pve/pvp function? OH RIGHT NO. There is a private server with it on. /I/ never said the pvp server is better I just said that the way its positioned a lot of problems are going to occur. ShizzleI might be wrong but most gamers from personal experience were agreeing that considering there might be unbalanced servers, lack of cash shop use on PvE server it might cause problems to this version as a whole.
Get your mind out of the gutter for a second and not flame every friggin PvPer you see, and try to see both pros and cons of something before trying to start a riot
The only benefit of having a PvE server is that people won't be bothered whilst training, a little slighter then it is on the normal servers like in MY. Considering the amount of ksing that is going to happen because of AoE parties and all the drama didn't you think for a second that its going to work against your whole notion of a "Friendly Server?"

Don't try and act like a smart **** by speaking in my native tongue, perche non sono nel umore, e tanto credo che neanche sai parlare l italiano, usi solo google translator ;D e tanto quello non traducera quello che sto dicendo.

Go report me for speaking in italian ;D Though technically you'd have to get in much trouble as me

Yes I have played in a few servers with the pvp disable function, thank you for not knowing what you are talking about. I think there is 3 officials I've played with it? Maybe 2 I'm not sure. I know the JP version did for sure. I'm not acting like a smart **** when I say ciao, I say it occasionally after posts. How would I have even known you are italian? You guys can just keep having all your assumptions about the pve server even though you have never played one before, it's amusing really. They have a pvp server so I don't understand why there is still discussion. Play the pvp server and stop complaining. This is not your server to run. Maybe people who are going to play don't even post on the forums so saying you have a majority is laughable. Also the GMs DO care about what we say, why do you think they are so active on the forums? I don't really appreciate how the RQ guild makes the GMs and mods out to be total idiots when they are the most helpful GMs I've seen on a game so far. I know for a fact they do care, and it's not right that you put words into their mouth.

Also +1 to Karmelia

t0yo · July 2008

karmelia wrote: »

In my eyes, it's those who want a PvP server only that are playing the drama queens in here.

THEY are the one calling names on those who don't want to play on THEIR server.

THEY want to enforce THEIR style of play upon everybody.

We don't. I don't think any of us proposed to have only PvE oriented servers.

So tell me, who's fuelling drama here? RQ and their little friends.

If you are even too blind to see that, then maybe you need new glasses.

Point 1 : Are we in pre school? Are we going to stay saying who called this and who called that? I was arguing against branding RQ with the whole PvP server thing when there was clearly other guilds and other people involved. Go ahead and continue stereotyping us, don't blame us for doing the same with the carebear comment

Point 2: The logical hypothetical scenario. Considering a majority of the people who are joining the PW-Int server are probably going to choose the PvE server(Apparently they don't like posting in the forums) the PvP server won't be feasible anymore and then dropped. Leaving only the PvE one. Besides all the other things I mentioned that would prove to hinder the company from financing this project properly

Point 3 : Yes I totally understand that but you have to differentiate between something being intended then something actually happening. You don't intentionally mean to force us to play in a server where there is PvE but in a similar scenario you guys proposed were apparently X number of people who haven't come to the forums are going to the PvE server we're going to be /forced/ indirectly to play PvE

Point 4 : We have a different notion of drama. In my case its a mixture of laughing at ridicolous claims and /trying/ to understand other people's ideas whilst providing my own. If you consider us the little ones then why make a topic to contest this one? A normal grownup would have laughed at us, acknowledged we're a waste of time and moved on

See the difference between most people here is that they are so quick to analyze their opponent before analyzing themselves.

karmelia · July 2008

t0yo wrote: »

Have your PvE server and go play in it. If in 1-3 months the server will still be alive and by alive meaning no people leaving because you get ksed and can't do anything about it.

Or else the server ends up closing because of lack of finance

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz..

All the others officials PW servers have the PvP on/off option.

ALL of them.

Except the Cubinet's ones.

If we were to follow your logic, then all of them should have closed by now.....

Strangely enough, Leode admitted that the number of players on their engris servers is not growing. it's staying the same....

1+1 = 2

koz · July 2008

karmelia wrote: »

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz..

All the others officials PW servers have the PvP on/off option.

ALL of them.

Except the Cubinet's ones.

If we were to follow your logic, then all of them should have closed by now.....

Strangely enough, Leode admitted that the number of players on their engris servers is not growing. it's staying the same....

1+1 = 2

Wow Karmelia you're on fire

+234234243242 for you

t0yo · July 2008

Yes I have played in a few servers with the pvp disable function, thank you for not knowing what you are talking about.

Its called reverse phsycology. I was hoping you'd realize that you did the same thing but you didn't so I know that any logical discussion I am going to try with you is going to fail

I think there is 3 officials I've played with it? Maybe 2 I'm not sure. I know the JP version did for sure. I'm not acting like a smart **** when I say ciao, I say it occasionally after posts. How would I have even known you are italian?

True. You're right about that. I apologize for being rash and assumin you used ciao to make fun of my country

You guys can just keep having all your assumptions about the pve server even though you have never played one before, it's amusing really. They have a pvp server so I don't understand why there is still discussion. Play the pvp server and stop complaining.

The PvP vs PvE discussion ended ages ago. We're not assuming anything we're just thinking of other scenarios that can unfold that have happened in other games. You have to consider the fact that the chinese servers have 1000x our population on their game. Even though the game didn't start its quite easy to make the assumption because theres already other servers people can play on whilst when the chinese one came out it was one of the first.

This is not your server to run. Maybe people who are going to play don't even post on the forums so saying you have a majority is laughable. Also the GMs DO care about what we say, why do you think they are so active on the forums?

They do care about what people say and they seem like a nice bunch but at the end of the day democracy was overuled by their decision. Also I never ever insinuated this is my server I just tried to contest your ideas on why the PvE server would cause problems thats all. Maybe taking a **** at some of you because to be honest you don't really seem to care about what I have to say you just disagree with me and then spew a bunch of hateful comments because I'm with RQ and again, I disagree with you

I don't really appreciate how the RQ guild makes the GMs and mods out to be total idiots when they are the most helpful GMs I've seen on a game so far. I know for a fact they do care, and it's not right that you put words into their mouth.

Idiots? Who the hell ever said idiots. I just said that from the very little I've seen unfold lately they pull some strings similarly as the PW-MY admins did. That is the close and lock sequence. Though at least unlike them do reason out why they do what they do and to that they deserve respect because even their posts especially oranj are very logically explained from both sides of the story

Are you still going to take my posts and flamboyantly just respond with nonsensical comments or are you going to criticize me properly? I'm really not trying to flame anyone although I have to admit the tension of trying to convey an idea and all you get back is redundant hypocritical flaming gets me infuriated

All the others officials PW servers have the PvP on/off option.

ALL of them.

Except the Cubinet's ones.

If we were to follow your logic, then all of them should have closed by now.....

Strangely enough, Leode admitted that the number of players on their engris servers is not growing. it's staying the same....

If you're so bored trying to argue with me then don't post back. I suppose the ZzzZ should make me feel more redundant and useless because nobody listens to me D;. boooo hooo
Besides the comment on the second quote I wrote about this already
Do you realy think the reason that cubinet's population is decreasing because of the pvp option? You have to understand that the servers with pvp optional started way before so they had more customers so that it would balance out. -enter stuff I already said-. More people go to PvE server PvP collapses people continue back and forth from Pw-MY Pw-Int yada yada yada.

massamune · July 2008

karmelia wrote: »

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz..

All the others officials PW servers have the PvP on/off option.

ALL of them.

Except the Cubinet's ones.

If we were to follow your logic, then all of them should have closed by now.....

Strangely enough, Leode admitted that the number of players on their engris servers is not growing. it's staying the same....

1+1 = 2

Right on the mark, very nice.

This is such a stupid debate to take over this forum so early. I mean really, there's nothing to debate, it is as it is and it isn't going to change. We each pick our own server and play when the time comes, no amount of spam (not you Karm, you know the ones I mean) is going to sway anyone, except maybe away from this board and game altogether.

It's going too far, I really think the admins should intercede soon, it's becoming an embarrassment to this site.

koz · July 2008

massamune wrote: »

Right on the mark, very nice.

This is such a stupid debate to take over this forum so early. I mean really, there's nothing to debate, it is as it is and it isn't going to change. We each pick our own server and play when the time comes, no amount of spam (not you Karm, you know the ones I mean) is going to sway anyone, except maybe away from this board and game altogether.

It's going too far, I really think the admins should intercede soon, it's becoming an embarrassment to this site.

More and more threads will pop up like this, unfortunately.

Make the PvE server the first one listed

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