Final Barter Event Winnars!!!

dblazen1

ohaiidar wrote: »

omg dblazen still creeping on forums and doesn't even play and thinks he knows everything about everyone
isn't it time to move on man rather than stay and say the same **** over and over for years now?
lol at all of u with the paying the GM bullshyt so old cause yall so butthurt he won
gratz to Kalopsia

I've been on and off lately, but mostly off. And no, I never claimed to know everything about everyone. I do know quite a few sold accounts (dreamweaver related accounts, before the merge) and it's really not that hard to find and figure out who's account is being sold and which one has been renamed, I just pointed that out, but it's not that I really care about that.
Also, you're making it look like I point that out on a weekly basis, i've only mentioned it a few times over the course of a few years. It's just a simple truth and I congratulated whoever is playing on that account now. Where's the harm in that?

As for moving on, that's what I did, I just stroll this forum for the purpose of see my title why

The amount of fangirling over kalopsia is amusing to see though.​​

elcopete94

gz kalooo now u can finally make me full +12 josd *push chuche*

epicvision#9773

We all know Kalopsia "old Breezy" bought this account, the old owner of Pokapoka sold it to him. Instead of getting banned he wins!

The irony, pretty fair lol

forbiddenwords

PWE could open up a salt factory with this much hate on this thread ​​

elcopete94

forbiddenwords wrote: »

PWE could open up a salt factory with this much hate on this thread ​​

lmao xD

dblazen1

forbiddenwords wrote: »

PWE could open up a salt factory with this much hate on this thread ​​

You haven't been in any of Joe's discussions, have you?

forbiddenwords

dblazen1 wrote: »

You haven't been in any of Joe's discussions, have you?

I guess not... (fortunately?) ​​

merchant1337

Similar to last barter event, it has nothing to do with being salty or QQing. This is a forums people "exchange opinions, thoughts, feelings, facts", its what you are expected to do. So to start saying everyone who disagrees with winners "Keep your mouth shut" or your just "salty" or "QQing" is dictator like behavior.

I'm going to give you my 2 cents but please don't assume its bacause i'm salty mad or qquing. Simply would like to express my observations on the event.

First, I dont believe its an over statement to say the "winners" of the past 2 events are suspect at the very least, I think all of us with elementry understanding of value can find 2 or more better bids than that of the "winners".

Second, like one of the other players have stated it would seem, there is a very "inbalanced" way of valueing items, there is just no way the winning bids were the best. That people try to justify this is simply disturbing, It's probably more likely that this event was decided before it started, or at the very least is not enterely legitimate.

Finaly, if people chose to believe we live in a fairytale world where there is no corruption ever in any organization, with no "special interest" who have special privilages and do in fact act to benefit themselfs, then so be it, continue to believe what you will, but one thing is for sure this event was far from fair.

Lastly, I will say what I said before, Admins/ GM's may do what they wish, indeed they could have just sent the items to the players with no event if they wanted. But to put and event together with rules but no "specific" system to determine value to the point where an items value is so vague and ambiguous anyone can claim there item is special because of "X" reason, really makes this a "broken event".

As my own personal request, please but a disclaimer next time, something to the effect of this...

"PWI HAS THE ABILITY TO NOT CHOOSE THE BEST BID, WINNERS ARE NOT ENTIRELY SELECTED ON THE MERITS OR VALUE OF THEIR ITEMS. CAUTION EVEN IF YOUR BID WAS THE MOST IN VALUE IT IS POSSIBLE YOU MAY NOT WIN. PWI RESERVES THE RIGHT TO GIVE ANY EVEN THE WORST BID THE WINNING BARTER ITEM, THE VALUE OF ANY GIVEN ITEM IS DETERMINED BY PWI, PWI RESERVES THE RIGHT TO GIVE ANY ITEM ANY VALUE THEY WISH"

if you may please put that disclaimer, and not waste peoples time, I believe a lot of us would appreciate it.

"Lean to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; please the case of the widow"

forbiddenwords

merchant1337 wrote: »

Similar to last barter event, it has nothing to do with being salty or QQing. This is a forums people "exchange opinions, thoughts, feelings, facts", its what you are expected to do. So to start saying everyone who disagrees with winners "Keep your mouth shut" or your just "salty" or "QQing" is dictator like behavior.

Sure I know everyone is free to throw their opinions out there and I respect everyone's opinions. I'm already aware of this forum's purpose and I agree with you on that. BUT. There is a big difference between politely stating one's opinion (like you did, which I respect) and bashing the GMs the way a lot of people here did or being disrespectful towards each other or other people. THAT is when I start calling it salt.
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fluffyandpuffy#8479

I suggest that the GM look again at their choice and make it sound balanced and fair. Or give all the people who participated in the Barter a Nuema chest to end the grudges and hate .

eirghan

give all bids the winning prize because people are mad? What i wish real life worked like this. Id win the lottery every week!

splendideyes

eirghan wrote: »

give all bids the winning prize because people are mad? What i wish real life worked like this. Id win the lottery every week!

this was not a lottery.

eirghan

splendideyes wrote: »

eirghan wrote: »

give all bids the winning prize because people are mad? What i wish real life worked like this. Id win the lottery every week!

this was not a lottery.

No, it wasn't. You didnt have to even buy a ticket x)​​

forumnameaah

this is hilarious where is the QQ for the Crown of Madness the shyyttiest bid won?
give us all a CoM please and NP chest

lkjsawe

> @merchant1337 said:
> Similar to last barter event, it has nothing to do with being salty or QQing. This is a forums people "exchange opinions, thoughts, feelings, facts", its what you are expected to do. So to start saying everyone who disagrees with winners "Keep your mouth shut" or your just "salty" or "QQing" is dictator like behavior.
>
> I'm going to give you my 2 cents but please don't assume its bacause i'm salty mad or qquing. Simply would like to express my observations on the event.
>
> First, I dont believe its an over statement to say the "winners" of the past 2 events are suspect at the very least, I think all of us with elementry understanding of value can find 2 or more better bids than that of the "winners".
>
> Second, like one of the other players have stated it would seem, there is a very "inbalanced" way of valueing items, there is just no way the winning bids were the best. That people try to justify this is simply disturbing, It's probably more likely that this event was decided before it started, or at the very least is not enterely legitimate.
>
> Finaly, if people chose to believe we live in a fairytale world where there is no corruption ever in any organization, with no "special interest" who have special privilages and do in fact act to benefit themselfs, then so be it, continue to believe what you will, but one thing is for sure this event was far from fair.
>
> Lastly, I will say what I said before, Admins/ GM's may do what they wish, indeed they could have just sent the items to the players with no event if they wanted. But to put and event together with rules but no "specific" system to determine value to the point where an items value is so vague and ambiguous anyone can claim there item is special because of "X" reason, really makes this a "broken event".
>
> As my own personal request, please but a disclaimer next time, something to the effect of this...
>
> "PWI HAS THE ABILITY TO NOT CHOOSE THE BEST BID, WINNERS ARE NOT ENTIRELY SELECTED ON THE MERITS OR VALUE OF THEIR ITEMS. CAUTION EVEN IF YOUR BID WAS THE MOST IN VALUE IT IS POSSIBLE YOU MAY NOT WIN. PWI RESERVES THE RIGHT TO GIVE ANY EVEN THE WORST BID THE WINNING BARTER ITEM, THE VALUE OF ANY GIVEN ITEM IS DETERMINED BY PWI, PWI RESERVES THE RIGHT TO GIVE ANY ITEM ANY VALUE THEY WISH"
>
> if you may please put that disclaimer, and not waste peoples time, I believe a lot of us would appreciate it.
>
> "Lean to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; please the case of the widow"

agree :/

forbiddenwords

Alright since everyone is so angry at the GMs accusing them of not respecting the rules, being incompetent, not picking the best bid and so on and so forth...let me ask you a simple question.

Did YOU respect the rules?

"You may trade any type of item that is considered “high value” – this includes things like rare chance pack drops (all drops that are less than a 1-2% drop rate), items that can only be obtained in the cash shop, and exclusive high tiered items in game or that are only acquired through competitive gameplay."

Please remind me when did Reflective Shards, Attendance Sheets, Fairy Box Keys and other junk you get from daily quests, become "high valued items" or acquired through "competitive gameplay". Right, they aren't. This wasn't even a proper bidding event because instead of trying to overbid eachother progressively, with VALUABLE items, you all just dumped your whole junk yard and hoarded **** into those threads, hoping for the best. And then you complain the GMs are being unfair? Who the hell would even bother going through 100+ items per person and try to calculate the value of fairy box keys and reflective shards? Perhaps the GMs didn't expect people to be so desperate that they end up bidding even the dump they took one hour ago.

But yeah...here's my two cents on all this drama fest. Maybe before you go judge somebody else's course of action, you should first look at your own and make sure it's all perfect. Not like PWE could ever do anything to please everyone anyway, we're just gonna bash all attempted events and dig up every mistake and excuse to ask for more free **** from the GMs. Better start giving us more codes with free Emperors and CoMs and other endgame gear, I mean it's not like people are gonna stop pouring their credit cards into this game either way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯​​

merchant1337

forbiddenwords wrote: »

Alright since everyone is so angry at the GMs accusing them of not respecting the rules, being incompetent, not picking the best bid and so on and so forth...let me ask you a simple question.

Did YOU respect the rules?

"You may trade any type of item that is considered “high value” – this includes things like rare chance pack drops (all drops that are less than a 1-2% drop rate), items that can only be obtained in the cash shop, and exclusive high tiered items in game or that are only acquired through competitive gameplay."

Please remind me when did Reflective Shards, Attendance Sheets, Fairy Box Keys and other junk you get from daily quests, become "high valued items" or acquired through "competitive gameplay". Right, they aren't. This wasn't even a proper bidding event because instead of trying to overbid eachother progressively, with VALUABLE items, you all just dumped your whole junk yard and hoarded **** into those threads, hoping for the best. And then you complain the GMs are being unfair? Who the hell would even bother going through 100+ items per person and try to calculate the value of fairy box keys and reflective shards? Perhaps the GMs didn't expect people to be so desperate that they end up bidding even the dump they took one hour ago.

But yeah...here's my two cents on all this drama fest. Maybe before you go judge somebody else's course of action, you should first look at your own and make sure it's all perfect. Not like PWE could ever do anything to please everyone anyway, we're just gonna bash all attempted events and dig up every mistake and excuse to ask for more free **** from the GMs. Better start giving us more codes with free Emperors and CoMs and other endgame gear, I mean it's not like people are gonna stop pouring their credit cards into this game either way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯​​

Thank you for your 2 cents, again I have nothing to gain from this, but you are simply wrong.

First, as I stated before "high value" and "competative gameplay" are BROAD, AMBIGUOUS and VAGUE. We can all spend weeks debating what should fit into that category, I can agree with you that attendance sheet ect are not high value, but I will remind you the winner of the "Crown of Madness" had those specific items you said should not be put into the bids, I put them below for your reference.

Second, I dont think you have satisfied no anyone that this has been a fair event, you can't, because we cannot view what thought process or what factors went into picking the winner (if any) again I still hold there were suspect winners, and it more likely this event was decided before it began.

Lastly, I don't recall anyone asking for free items, I certainly dont believe anyone should get free items, but I would like to point out my observations, which I think many can agree with. Again that you are trying to justify the winning bids and the GM's is simply disturbing. GM's are held to high standard like any person in a high position, and rightly so, they represent a large community/or people. I would suggest you don't try and defend them, they frankly dont need your help, they can simply be silent, and give no explanation and close thread as they are accustom to. I give my explanation knowing it means nothing to the GM's and will accomplish nothing but I am compelled to speak when I see something that is not right. You have not satisfied anyone with your explanation, I am willing to listen if you want to give it another shot.

"Misc Items from Crown of Madness Winner"
astrospira pear lvl 1 x140
war avatar order x30
Nirvana key x638
fairy box key x611
reflective shard x311
warsong inscription x100
garan stone
soldier pay x201
jade dragon order x193
subsiding dirt x307
feerless blessing x3
peerless blessing x1
invincible blessing x6
suspicious dragon orbs x4
chrono keys x3
dragonlord coins x600
espionage potion x229
tideborn guardian medal x30
jade of returning x6
orb of cultivation x9
konwuu blade x3
strongwind badge x6
Ballot
endless armour card x4
major homestead supply bag
ancient gift x2

forbiddenwords

merchant1337 wrote: »

Thank you for your 2 cents, again I have nothing to gain from this, but you are simply wrong.

First, as I stated before "high value" and "competative gameplay" are BROAD, AMBIGUOUS and VAGUE. We can all spend weeks debating what should fit into that category, I can agree with you that attendance sheet ect are not high value, but I will remind you the winner of the "Crown of Madness" had those specific items you said should not be put into the bids, I put them below for your reference.

Second, I dont think you have satisfied no anyone that this has been a fair event, you can't, because we cannot view what thought process or what factors went into picking the winner (if any) again I still hold there were suspect winners, and it more likely this event was decided before it began.

Lastly, I don't recall anyone asking for free items, I certainly dont believe anyone should get free items, but I would like to point out my observations, which I think many can agree with. Again that you are trying to justify the winning bids and the GM's is simply disturbing. GM's are held to high standard like any person in a high position, and rightly so, they represent a large community/or people. I would suggest you don't try and defend them, they frankly dont need your help, they can simply be silent, and give no explanation and close thread as they are accustom to. I give my explanation knowing it means nothing to the GM's and will accomplish nothing but I am compelled to speak when I see something that is not right. You have not satisfied anyone with your explanation, I am willing to listen if you want to give it another shot.

I'm not trying to justify how the GMs picked the winners, I know it could have been done better. I'm just pointing out that mistakes were made on both sides and people are way too quick to point fingers at GMs for something going wrong when obviously most of the bids broke one of the rules as well. I'm not trying to satisfy anyone or to prove it was a fair event either, I'm already well aware it was far from perfect. Again, I was just offering people another point of view which they seem to have missed.

Yeah of course there was a bit of ambiguity in drawing the line between what's considered valuable or not. But then again, it's not rocket science to figure out that half of the things people bid was just plain out junk anyone could get from daily quests, giveaways or regular instances (and I was specifically referring to this type of items, everything else above that is obviously debatable). And I also know what the winning bid contained (and honestly like 80% of the items you listed have no value imo), but it's pretty hard to pick a "clean" bid when like 99% of them contained those kinds of items.

Oh and there actually were a few people asking that everyone is given the prize as "compensation". Let me quote them out to you in case you missed them.

"I suggest that the GM look again at their choice and make it sound balanced and fair. Or give all the people who participated in the Barter a Nuema chest to end the grudges and hate ."

"this is hilarious where is the QQ for the Crown of Madness the shyyttiest bid won?
give us all a CoM please and NP chest "

Anyway, what I tried to say was that both sides had a duty, and both sides failed to fulfill it, yet so far I've seen the GMs take the full blame. If everyone had left aside all those worthless items, the bids would be much cleaner and it would be much easier to see whose bid has what value for both the GMs and the rest of bidders. Either way thanks for the feedback. While you have some good points as well, I don't think anything I said was off or false either. It's just a matter of perspective.​​

fated172

forbiddenwords wrote: »

Anyway, what I tried to say was that both sides had a duty, and both sides failed to fulfill it, yet so far I've seen the GMs take the full blame. If everyone had left aside all those worthless items, the bids would be much cleaner and it would be much easier to see whose bid has what value for both the GMs and the rest of bidders. Either way thanks for the feedback. While you have some good points as well, I don't think anything I said was off or false either. It's just a matter of perspective.​​

Actually I feel the "responsibility" did ALL rely on the GMs. Since they acted out as the "judge, jury, executioner" solely, it's their obligations and duties to conduct the contest accordingly regardless if the contestants followed the rules or not.

And I also agree with what the previous person said, the GM's actions effects the community. They are looked up upon and if their actions doesn't justify their doings, they lose respect. Just like any person will.

pikobanjo

merchant1337 for pwi president :)

tomcool

merchant1337 wrote: »

forbiddenwords wrote: »

Alright since everyone is so angry at the GMs accusing them of not respecting the rules, being incompetent, not picking the best bid and so on and so forth...let me ask you a simple question.

Did YOU respect the rules?

"You may trade any type of item that is considered “high value” – this includes things like rare chance pack drops (all drops that are less than a 1-2% drop rate), items that can only be obtained in the cash shop, and exclusive high tiered items in game or that are only acquired through competitive gameplay."

Please remind me when did Reflective Shards, Attendance Sheets, Fairy Box Keys and other junk you get from daily quests, become "high valued items" or acquired through "competitive gameplay". Right, they aren't. This wasn't even a proper bidding event because instead of trying to overbid eachother progressively, with VALUABLE items, you all just dumped your whole junk yard and hoarded **** into those threads, hoping for the best. And then you complain the GMs are being unfair? Who the hell would even bother going through 100+ items per person and try to calculate the value of fairy box keys and reflective shards? Perhaps the GMs didn't expect people to be so desperate that they end up bidding even the dump they took one hour ago.

But yeah...here's my two cents on all this drama fest. Maybe before you go judge somebody else's course of action, you should first look at your own and make sure it's all perfect. Not like PWE could ever do anything to please everyone anyway, we're just gonna bash all attempted events and dig up every mistake and excuse to ask for more free **** from the GMs. Better start giving us more codes with free Emperors and CoMs and other endgame gear, I mean it's not like people are gonna stop pouring their credit cards into this game either way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯​​

Thank you for your 2 cents, again I have nothing to gain from this, but you are simply wrong.

First, as I stated before "high value" and "competative gameplay" are BROAD, AMBIGUOUS and VAGUE. We can all spend weeks debating what should fit into that category, I can agree with you that attendance sheet ect are not high value, but I will remind you the winner of the "Crown of Madness" had those specific items you said should not be put into the bids, I put them below for your reference.

Second, I dont think you have satisfied no anyone that this has been a fair event, you can't, because we cannot view what thought process or what factors went into picking the winner (if any) again I still hold there were suspect winners, and it more likely this event was decided before it began.

Lastly, I don't recall anyone asking for free items, I certainly dont believe anyone should get free items, but I would like to point out my observations, which I think many can agree with. Again that you are trying to justify the winning bids and the GM's is simply disturbing. GM's are held to high standard like any person in a high position, and rightly so, they represent a large community/or people. I would suggest you don't try and defend them, they frankly dont need your help, they can simply be silent, and give no explanation and close thread as they are accustom to. I give my explanation knowing it means nothing to the GM's and will accomplish nothing but I am compelled to speak when I see something that is not right. You have not satisfied anyone with your explanation, I am willing to listen if you want to give it another shot.

"Misc Items from Crown of Madness Winner"
astrospira pear lvl 1 x140
war avatar order x30
Nirvana key x638
fairy box key x611
reflective shard x311
warsong inscription x100
garan stone
soldier pay x201
jade dragon order x193
subsiding dirt x307
feerless blessing x3
peerless blessing x1
invincible blessing x6
suspicious dragon orbs x4
chrono keys x3
dragonlord coins x600
espionage potion x229
tideborn guardian medal x30
jade of returning x6
orb of cultivation x9
konwuu blade x3
strongwind badge x6
Ballot
endless armour card x4
major homestead supply bag
ancient gift x2

^ this, although guy who won crown offered 1 unique item, valued at several bill npcing that, for a crown seems like a bad deal imo an item which only 3 people have or a crown that like 100 people on game have..
seems like a well deserved win, im abit salty but well deserved gz to them!