Downside of PerfectWorld for international players
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kittythecat2013
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Hi. As a international server, PWI has many customers from foreign regions.
That said, we all have seen players worst enemy. The connection LAG.
Most games have a build in or 3rd party promoted connection enhancer be it proxy, vpn or p2p.
If you played Left 2 Dead on steam you saw how it list servers and private open matches that you can chose depending on the ping.
Or games like dota and wow that are huge in the eyes of players who need better routes for gaming connection.
There are whole sides of the internet explaining how to setup a proxy and avoid flooded routes on the internet.
For example I can test on my own computer a ping with 2 different servers in USA and the test will get different results even tho both servers are in the same country.
ping 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=171ms TTL=52 ( a google server )
ping 66.151.133.73: bytes=32 time=909ms TTL=237 ( west coast pwi server )
And I bet if someone made a test from pwi to the google server, they would get a fast ping.
As you can see, neither PWI or the Client owns a bad connection but the net between some ISPs is flooded at some hours of the day.
That happens because in order to connect to each server, my ISP access different routes and trough out the country.
You probably seen people talking about getting banned for trying to use proxy on pwi servers.
As the proxy connects the client and the server from a different point on the internet, the server see it as a log in from a different region and It automatically ban the client.
Which doesn't make any sense because otherwise people who move would get banned too.
As you can see, nothing here is in any form an exploit or cheat, all we want fair response time for gaming.
Even if it was just double or triple response time from average player we wouldn't care much but the worst part is the lag spikes. x.x
That moment when you use Holy Path and the connect was gagging when you used it, then delivers all the info at once, the place you were and place you are with holy path and the server says, nope. from A to A in 0,01sec is unacceptable, and rubber-band you back to the place you started holy path >.>
And you be like: really? >.>
not only waste my genie stamina but the time that I have to run that part again. >.>
Or those moments when you see the hit coming and use Absolute Domain or anti-stun+Iron Guard and the lag messes everything up and you die and get stunned after being teleported. >.>
Man, the life of a player with lag is terrible and PWI is over due to a reform in its attitude about it.
I want 200ms stable ping too. Q.Q
That said, we all have seen players worst enemy. The connection LAG.
Most games have a build in or 3rd party promoted connection enhancer be it proxy, vpn or p2p.
If you played Left 2 Dead on steam you saw how it list servers and private open matches that you can chose depending on the ping.
Or games like dota and wow that are huge in the eyes of players who need better routes for gaming connection.
There are whole sides of the internet explaining how to setup a proxy and avoid flooded routes on the internet.
For example I can test on my own computer a ping with 2 different servers in USA and the test will get different results even tho both servers are in the same country.
ping 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=171ms TTL=52 ( a google server )
ping 66.151.133.73: bytes=32 time=909ms TTL=237 ( west coast pwi server )
And I bet if someone made a test from pwi to the google server, they would get a fast ping.
As you can see, neither PWI or the Client owns a bad connection but the net between some ISPs is flooded at some hours of the day.
That happens because in order to connect to each server, my ISP access different routes and trough out the country.
You probably seen people talking about getting banned for trying to use proxy on pwi servers.
As the proxy connects the client and the server from a different point on the internet, the server see it as a log in from a different region and It automatically ban the client.
Which doesn't make any sense because otherwise people who move would get banned too.
As you can see, nothing here is in any form an exploit or cheat, all we want fair response time for gaming.
Even if it was just double or triple response time from average player we wouldn't care much but the worst part is the lag spikes. x.x
That moment when you use Holy Path and the connect was gagging when you used it, then delivers all the info at once, the place you were and place you are with holy path and the server says, nope. from A to A in 0,01sec is unacceptable, and rubber-band you back to the place you started holy path >.>
And you be like: really? >.>
not only waste my genie stamina but the time that I have to run that part again. >.>
Or those moments when you see the hit coming and use Absolute Domain or anti-stun+Iron Guard and the lag messes everything up and you die and get stunned after being teleported. >.>
Man, the life of a player with lag is terrible and PWI is over due to a reform in its attitude about it.
I want 200ms stable ping too. Q.Q
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Well, if you're in Europe, trying to play on a US west coast server, that's like the second worst possible combination there.
Google's DNS servers are located all around the world, not just in one spot in the US.
Here's a small list of some of them.Sao Paulo, Brazil
Taipei, Taiwan
Brussels, Belgium
Berlin, Germany
Lappeenranta, Finland
Groningen, Netherlands
Groningen, Netherlands
Morganton, North Carolina, USA
Morganton, North Carolina, USA
Atlanta, GA, USA
Atlanta, GA, USA
Brussels, Belgium
Council Bluffs, Iowa, USA
Council Bluffs, Iowa, USA
Charleston, SC, USA
Charleston, SC, USA
The Dalles, Oregon, USA
The Dalles, Oregon, USA
Dublin, Ireland
Frankfurt, Germany
Hong Kong
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Lappeenranta, Finland
Tulsa, OK, USA
Council Bluffs, Iowa, USA
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Hong Kong
Taipei, Taiwan
Council Bluffs, Iowa, USA
Atlanta, GA, USA
Tulsa, OK, USA
Charleston, SC, USA
Morganton, North Carolina, USA
The Dalles, Oregon, USA
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Frankfurt, Germany
Berlin, Germany
Dublin, Ireland
Brussels, Belgium
Lappeenranta, Finland
Groningen, Netherlands
You also do not understand how proxy detection works. It's not banning you because you are suddenly logging in from a different location. The server can detect that the packets have been re-routed through a proxy by the origin data attached to the packets.
Lastly, I'm not entirely sure if there is a suggestion in your post at all. It appears more to be a complaint about having lag because you are attempting to play on a server that is halfway across the world. (Something you should have been aware would pose a problem when you first started.)
You might try reading some of the sticky threads in the Technical Support Forum, and then starting a thread there with the information we ask for to be able to assist you properly.
Most likely though, the answer will be to choose a server closer to your actual location, instead of playing the one farthest away from you.0 -
I am playing with the nearest server. (as the server selection screen shows the minor ping)
Even if i didn't know how proxies are detected it doesn't change the fact that banning people who want it is nonsense.
The suggest is actually so clear that the rest became too much info.
"PWI is over due to a reform in its attitude about it"... proxies are beneficial and pwi need to stop its anti-proxy policy and instigate its use for their unhappy portion of players.
About the ping with google, its just a test, I can do many.
As aditional test:
ping arcgames.com -t
ping 66.151.133.182: bytes=32 time=306ms TTL=237
Which is also in the west and has a different response time from the game server.
routes:
192.168.1.20 > 26.0.0.1 > 201.67.97.254 > 200.199.193.41 > 200.199.193.19 > 177.2.192.102 > 200.233.46.221 > 200.199.54.163 > 100.122.17.159 > 80.239.195.157 > 213.155.131.136 > 62.115.138.25 > 213.155.130.211 > 213.248.81.134 > 66.151.144.80 > 64.95.143.190 > 66.151.133.182 concluded
192.168.1.20 > 26.0.0.1 > 201.67.97.254 > 200.199.193.49 > 200.199.193.21 > 177.2.192.104 > 200.199.125.245 > 200.164.47.135 > 100.122.17.165 > 80.239.195.157 > 80.91.254.15 > 213.155.133.9 > 213.155.135.157 > 213.248.81.134 > 66.151.144.80 > 64.95.143.190 > 66.151.133.73 concluded
You see, from the 3rd to the 14th nodes the connection takes completely different routes.
Idk if the ISPs set different protocols to pass throug different routes but the idea is simple, proxies can use the less congestioned routes.
Also there is no "choose a server". Once you already played for 3 years and has a full rank9 toon you either fix it or pick another game. There is no way I'd start over. Specially now that I know ping is the "worst" enemy and the other servers are farther. =/
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Yeah, you're in Brazil. Even WTFast wouldn't help you there.
Oh, and for future reference, here's what a traceroute looks like.Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.14267] (c) 2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. C:\Users\SylenThunder>tracert pwigc2.perfectworld.com Tracing route to pwigc2.perfectworld.com [66.151.133.71] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms 2 ms 192.168.0.1 2 8 ms 14 ms 8 ms 96.120.40.185 3 8 ms 9 ms 8 ms xe-9-1-0-sur01.newhaven.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.85.188.133] 4 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms 162.151.127.1 5 14 ms 14 ms 15 ms te-0-7-0-4-ar02.pontiac.mi.michigan.comcast.net [69.139.255.66] 6 20 ms 21 ms 20 ms be-33668-cr02.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.45] 7 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms he-0-12-0-1-pe03.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.22] 8 21 ms 21 ms 20 ms ae-26.r05.chcgil09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.66.65] 9 29 ms 27 ms 20 ms ae-6.r21.chcgil09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.26] 10 74 ms 73 ms 73 ms ae-5.r22.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.17] 11 73 ms 134 ms 75 ms ae-19.r01.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.27] 12 72 ms 74 ms 72 ms ae-0.internap.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [157.238.64.138] 13 73 ms 73 ms 73 ms border2.t7-1-bbnet1.sje004.pnap.net [66.151.144.20] 14 87 ms 73 ms 74 ms perfectworld-10.border2.sje004.pnap.net [64.95.143.190] 15 72 ms 74 ms 74 ms 66.151.133.71 Trace complete.
Something like that is exactly what I would need to help you get the best out of the poor connection you do have.
As far as "choose a server", 3 years ago you had better choices to pick from. It's not PWE's fault you made the incorrect choice.
I'll go ahead and move this to General Discussion since there is no actual suggestion, and you aren't asking for help. It's just another QQing thread.0 -
I posted the traceroute that way to make it easy to see the point in wich the connetion change route.
And Etherblade still the best ping to me since its the same server old Archosaur.
And its not a QQ.
All I said is right and that is why there was no arguing on it.
All you did so far is accuse me of idiocy. "you don't know how proxies work" "you don't know how to use a forum I read this like a crying for help and move to general discussion"
I'm not asking for help, did I ask anything? all I did was suggest a change on vpn rules.
But if you can't add anything on the topic, ok.0 -
Just so you can undo this idea of accusing me of not choosing the right server.
West Etherblade and Twilight Temple
Europe Dawnglory
Tideswell
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So you basically implied a suggestion, without actually stating it or even making the title seem like there is any suggestion in the topic.
Oh, and there are loads of way closer servers to you.
It's called PW-BR
The BR is for Brazil.
Hey, wait a minute.... Isn't that where SylenThunder said you're hailing from?
You should probably be playing the version Wanmei published in your own freaking country.
Your whiny thread is basically the equivalent of someone in Russia complaining about high pings when they have their own version as well. (although to be honest their pings are probably worse if they have to go through the Phillipines.)
This really is a fail thread. I would have just closed it to prevent the OP from making themselves look even stupider.0 -
At least @sylenthunder gave him/her instructions of what needs to be reported in order for a theoretical help to be possible, which is great.
That being said, let me give you 4 valid reasons for a player ending up on a far away server:
1. close friends from other countries were already playing the specific server and told him/her to join (I was in this situation and decided to adapt to the difficult times for me. And after 4-5 years I got lucky with the merge to DA server, yay!).
2. wanted a more popular/populated version of the game to start with, not the closest one.
3. historically unlucky. Started on a server good for him , moved to a bad one (god knows I got my american friends backing me up with this, on DA server).
4. maybe the closest server to him was PVE and he/she wanted a PVP one.
Even in case of silly users who picked badly, it does not mean they are not entitled to suggest that PWI does a better job at supporting proxy apps.
I understand the frustration of moderators who put up with constant complaints and bickering, but in the end their attitude should not be focused on finding reasons for player incompetence or more generally why things will not change, and start pointing fingers and telling them how much they ... sck.
PWI should give some definitive statements.
I think a better response to this particular problem would be: "I understand your difficulties, I will do my best to report your problem to the PWI staff and come back when and if they decide on something". Although it is not making any promices, at least you show a bit of compassion for a player who is clearly very frustrated.
All that being said, this person should understand why the thread is considered a QQ. We all know PWI will, with a 99.(9)% certainty, do nothing. Most of the people settled with that, which is one of the main reasons many people left the game.
It all boils down to a question you need to ask yourself: what do you do when the opposite party constantly fails to at least acknowledge your difficulties and show compassion. Because sometimes this is all it takes.
Cheers!
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If OP is only playing PW-I servers, then they are on the closest one. As JoeCisco stated though, there is a version specific to the region the OP is playing in. If they wanted to play with very low lag, they should have looked at that option.
Choosing to play on the US-West server instead of the Brazil servers was a choice. Whatever reason it was made for, it was a choice.
Now, as for this being any kind of a suggestion... It isn't.
The title is a statement. The statement implies that the post is an informational dialogue on why there is a downside for international players on PWI.
The body is a string of sentences, (not even in an ordered form), that make statements about the issues the OP is having with being an international player in the order of Cause, Reasoning, Effect. The conclusion is simply, "I want 200ms stable ping too. Q.Q", which if that is a suggestion, it's extremely poorly presented.
Now, if the OP wants to start an actual suggestion thread and make an actual suggestion, here's how it should go.
Title: Please Allow the Use of VPN's
Body: Being an international player, I have a very difficult time getting a good route to the servers and suffer a very high ping. I think it would be appropriate if you (PWE) would allow us to use VPN services like WTFast or a similar service.
More to come, but I have to run.0 -
Just for testing purposes, here is a trace to the server from where I am to the PWI server in Europe. (Because how else will I accurately simulate being an "international player"?)
Tracing route to pwieu3.en.perfectworld.eu [95.172.91.10] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1 2 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms 96.120.40.185 3 42 ms 8 ms 9 ms xe-9-1-0-sur01.newhaven.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.85.188.133] 4 12 ms 13 ms 11 ms 162.151.127.1 5 15 ms 15 ms 13 ms te-0-7-0-3-ar02.pontiac.mi.michigan.comcast.net [69.139.255.2] 6 20 ms 21 ms 20 ms be-33668-cr02.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.45] 7 25 ms 21 ms 22 ms he-0-14-0-0-pe03.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.88.130] 8 20 ms 23 ms * ae-26.r05.chcgil09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.66.65] 9 20 ms 21 ms 21 ms ae-6.r21.chcgil09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.26] 10 43 ms 39 ms 47 ms ae-1.r23.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.138] 11 119 ms 114 ms * ae-2.r25.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.163] 12 120 ms 119 ms 123 ms ae-2.r02.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.159] 13 114 ms 113 ms 115 ms ae-0.internap.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [81.20.69.230] 14 114 ms 114 ms 115 ms border4.ae1-bbnet1.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.78.39] 15 113 ms 116 ms 115 ms edge2.ae1-edgenet.ams004.pnap.net [208.146.38.22] 16 115 ms 113 ms 113 ms perfectworldent-7.edge2.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.88.94] 17 114 ms 120 ms 114 ms 95.172.91.1 18 113 ms 114 ms 116 ms 95.172.91.10 Trace complete.
Now I'll use my VPN service to psuedo-connect from France, since that's relatively near the Europe servers.Tracing route to pwieu3.en.perfectworld.eu [95.172.91.9] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 107 ms 107 ms 107 ms 10.113.1.1 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 107 ms 107 ms 107 ms ae6-30.par70.ip4.gtt.net [46.33.81.25] 4 124 ms 133 ms 124 ms et-2-1-0.ams12.ip4.gtt.net [141.136.105.237] 5 124 ms 124 ms 131 ms internap-gw.ip4.gtt.net [77.67.82.66] 6 122 ms 123 ms 124 ms border3.ae2-bbnet2.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.78.70] 7 121 ms 126 ms 131 ms edge1.ae1-edgenet.ams004.pnap.net [208.146.38.18] 8 122 ms 123 ms 121 ms perfectworldent-6.edge1.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.88.90] 9 136 ms 123 ms 122 ms 95.172.91.1 10 123 ms 120 ms 122 ms 95.172.91.9 Trace complete.
As expected, there is no real change, because my data packets still have to physically travel nearly the same distance.
Just for giggles, here is a trace using WTFast.Tracing route to pwieu3.en.perfectworld.eu [95.172.91.10] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 * <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1 2 8 ms 8 ms 15 ms 96.120.40.185 3 12 ms 17 ms 10 ms xe-9-1-0-sur01.newhaven.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.85.188.133] 4 12 ms 11 ms 15 ms 162.151.127.1 5 16 ms 14 ms 15 ms te-0-7-0-3-ar02.pontiac.mi.michigan.comcast.net [69.139.255.2] 6 22 ms 23 ms 23 ms be-33668-cr02.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.45] 7 21 ms 21 ms 20 ms he-0-14-0-0-pe03.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.88.130] 8 21 ms 19 ms 21 ms ae-26.r05.chcgil09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.66.65] 9 22 ms 21 ms 21 ms ae-6.r21.chcgil09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.26] 10 44 ms 42 ms 38 ms ae-1.r23.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.138] 11 124 ms 127 ms 124 ms ae-2.r25.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.163] 12 120 ms 136 ms 121 ms ae-2.r02.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.159] 13 122 ms 114 ms * ae-0.internap.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [81.20.69.230] 14 115 ms 115 ms 114 ms border4.ae1-bbnet1.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.78.39] 15 123 ms 114 ms 123 ms edge2.ae1-edgenet.ams004.pnap.net [208.146.38.22] 16 132 ms 114 ms 116 ms perfectworldent-7.edge2.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.88.94] 17 114 ms 117 ms 119 ms 95.172.91.1 18 116 ms 115 ms 122 ms 95.172.91.10 Trace complete.
Again, same results.
Why?
Because your data still has to travel the same distance.
Now if I was attempting to connect to the East coast server, I might see some improvement by using WTFast. Why? Because it's a shorter distance, and using WTFast's preferred bandwidth servers will actually decrease my overall ping. They can't do jack about the long distance lines they have no control over though. And your ping mostly sucks because of the distance.
Oh, and a final note, look at how many hops it takes to the server using WTFast. Exactly the same as without it, and with nearly the same ping responses. Looks like my personal VPN fares better in shortening the hops, but because it still has to travel the distance, there is no improvement in overall ping. I just have fewer points that could cause a connection failure or drop packets.0 -
sylenthunder wrote: »Just for testing purposes, here is a trace to the server from where I am to the PWI server in Europe. (Because how else will I accurately simulate being an "international player"?)
Tracing route to pwieu3.en.perfectworld.eu [95.172.91.10] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1 2 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms 96.120.40.185 3 42 ms 8 ms 9 ms xe-9-1-0-sur01.newhaven.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.85.188.133] 4 12 ms 13 ms 11 ms 162.151.127.1 5 15 ms 15 ms 13 ms te-0-7-0-3-ar02.pontiac.mi.michigan.comcast.net [69.139.255.2] 6 20 ms 21 ms 20 ms be-33668-cr02.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.45] 7 25 ms 21 ms 22 ms he-0-14-0-0-pe03.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.88.130] 8 20 ms 23 ms * ae-26.r05.chcgil09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.66.65] 9 20 ms 21 ms 21 ms ae-6.r21.chcgil09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.26] 10 43 ms 39 ms 47 ms ae-1.r23.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.138] 11 119 ms 114 ms * ae-2.r25.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.163] 12 120 ms 119 ms 123 ms ae-2.r02.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.159] 13 114 ms 113 ms 115 ms ae-0.internap.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [81.20.69.230] 14 114 ms 114 ms 115 ms border4.ae1-bbnet1.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.78.39] 15 113 ms 116 ms 115 ms edge2.ae1-edgenet.ams004.pnap.net [208.146.38.22] 16 115 ms 113 ms 113 ms perfectworldent-7.edge2.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.88.94] 17 114 ms 120 ms 114 ms 95.172.91.1 18 113 ms 114 ms 116 ms 95.172.91.10 Trace complete.
Now I'll use my VPN service to psuedo-connect from France, since that's relatively near the Europe servers.Tracing route to pwieu3.en.perfectworld.eu [95.172.91.9] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 107 ms 107 ms 107 ms 10.113.1.1 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 107 ms 107 ms 107 ms ae6-30.par70.ip4.gtt.net [46.33.81.25] 4 124 ms 133 ms 124 ms et-2-1-0.ams12.ip4.gtt.net [141.136.105.237] 5 124 ms 124 ms 131 ms internap-gw.ip4.gtt.net [77.67.82.66] 6 122 ms 123 ms 124 ms border3.ae2-bbnet2.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.78.70] 7 121 ms 126 ms 131 ms edge1.ae1-edgenet.ams004.pnap.net [208.146.38.18] 8 122 ms 123 ms 121 ms perfectworldent-6.edge1.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.88.90] 9 136 ms 123 ms 122 ms 95.172.91.1 10 123 ms 120 ms 122 ms 95.172.91.9 Trace complete.
As expected, there is no real change, because my data packets still have to physically travel nearly the same distance.
Just for giggles, here is a trace using WTFast.Tracing route to pwieu3.en.perfectworld.eu [95.172.91.10] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 * <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1 2 8 ms 8 ms 15 ms 96.120.40.185 3 12 ms 17 ms 10 ms xe-9-1-0-sur01.newhaven.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.85.188.133] 4 12 ms 11 ms 15 ms 162.151.127.1 5 16 ms 14 ms 15 ms te-0-7-0-3-ar02.pontiac.mi.michigan.comcast.net [69.139.255.2] 6 22 ms 23 ms 23 ms be-33668-cr02.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.45] 7 21 ms 21 ms 20 ms he-0-14-0-0-pe03.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.88.130] 8 21 ms 19 ms 21 ms ae-26.r05.chcgil09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.66.65] 9 22 ms 21 ms 21 ms ae-6.r21.chcgil09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.26] 10 44 ms 42 ms 38 ms ae-1.r23.asbnva02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.138] 11 124 ms 127 ms 124 ms ae-2.r25.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.163] 12 120 ms 136 ms 121 ms ae-2.r02.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.159] 13 122 ms 114 ms * ae-0.internap.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net [81.20.69.230] 14 115 ms 115 ms 114 ms border4.ae1-bbnet1.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.78.39] 15 123 ms 114 ms 123 ms edge2.ae1-edgenet.ams004.pnap.net [208.146.38.22] 16 132 ms 114 ms 116 ms perfectworldent-7.edge2.ams004.pnap.net [95.172.88.94] 17 114 ms 117 ms 119 ms 95.172.91.1 18 116 ms 115 ms 122 ms 95.172.91.10 Trace complete.
Again, same results.
Why?
Because your data still has to travel the same distance.
Now if I was attempting to connect to the East coast server, I might see some improvement by using WTFast. Why? Because it's a shorter distance, and using WTFast's preferred bandwidth servers will actually decrease my overall ping. They can't do jack about the long distance lines they have no control over though. And your ping mostly sucks because of the distance.
Oh, and a final note, look at how many hops it takes to the server using WTFast. Exactly the same as without it, and with nearly the same ping responses. Looks like my personal VPN fares better in shortening the hops, but because it still has to travel the distance, there is no improvement in overall ping. I just have fewer points that could cause a connection failure or drop packets.
The funny thingie: your normal connection and WTFast used exactly same route. So much for the optimized DNS routes.
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ill make it easier for sylenthunder ...its never pwi fault, even when 99% of players all dc and are stuck in instances, it is never pwi fault, it is your isp, nodes and whatever. after all all isp's are in agreement to dc pwi players, least that is what pwi is basicly saying, all countries, node, isp, servers, hell even the laptop/desktop manufactureres purposely make their software/hardware dc pwi players.0
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To say PW br is an option only show how much you don't know about it. It is not like PW br and PWI are equal servers with language as option, between many differences and reasons to not play on that server there is lack of customer service, upgrades, terrible market in game, terrible update speed and players community full of hax, hu3 etc.joecisco said:So you basically implied a suggestion, without actually stating it or even making the title seem like there is any suggestion in the topic.
Oh, and there are loads of way closer servers to you.
It's called PW-BR
The BR is for Brazil.
Hey, wait a minute.... Isn't that where SylenThunder said you're hailing from?
You should probably be playing the version Wanmei published in your own freaking country.
Your whiny thread is basically the equivalent of someone in Russia complaining about high pings when they have their own version as well. (although to be honest their pings are probably worse if they have to go through the Phillipines.)
This really is a fail thread. I would have just closed it to prevent the OP from making themselves look even stupider.
Also, you totally missed the point. Iag is a side effect of the topic's point. The topic is about PWE's position on vpn/proxy usage.
You really failed to add anything to the topic.Post edited by kittythecat2013 on0 -
Now, about the real topic in which slender now actually tried to check but was somehow bound to WTFast, which I never seen before. You totally forget that the argument of "same distance" does not apply and that is because Brazil has 7 diferent submarine fiber cables connecting to different continents, Some ISPs have access to one or another of those cables. And then enters the argument I already put in.. "there are moments of the day that some of those cables get flooded".
So. If I access a VPN server that is connected to me by a idle fiber cable and then from that Server to PWI server with his direct access to USA networks, THEN I can get a better connection EVEN if they distance increase. By avoiding the flooded cable.
I will post some tests...
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So I'll agree with you that yes it's down to distance and the long haul lines in place the vast majority of the time.sylenthunder said:
SNIP
Having said that sometimes peoples ISPs are prone to sending traffic the complete wrong way for certain traffic types in an effort to save money. Undersea cable bandwidth is not all priced equally and a few of them are rather dubious in terms of line health. Now most of the time for most people for connections they make frequently it's completely fine. When it isn't however something to steer that traffic can have non trivial benefits. I'd guess based off my experience about 3-5% or so of people over here (Australia) see serious ping reduction to the USA when using a VPN designed for fast routing. Most of them had crazy 500ms pings to start with but that's another issue.
Personally I see a serious reduction to the minimum in addition to much better stability when using a VPN to connect to China. Mostly because my ISP doesn't give care as very few people care about ping to China.
A quick check of the map suggests they are indeed getting excessively high and very unstable numbers. Though I suspect part of that's on the PWE servers I still wouldn't be surprised to see non trivial improvements from routing changes. Hard to say for sure as I don't follow the quality and nature of the lines in that area however. Although if they are getting a flooded line then yeah a VPN is likely to help.0 -
These tests were done at 4 AM. Which means there is no "flood" to access pwi directly.
Normal ConnectionC:\Users\Seven>tracert pwiwest4.perfectworld.com Rastreando a rota para pwiwest4.perfectworld.com [66.151.133.73] com no máximo 30 saltos: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.20 2 19 ms 27 ms 16 ms 26.0.0.1 3 80 ms 93 ms 72 ms Oi-L10-ecox-mt-a1k-01.brasiltelecom.net.br [201.10.196.87] 4 65 ms 69 ms 70 ms BrT-G0-0-0-3-ecba-mt-rotd-xr01.brasiltelecom.net.br [200.199.193.151] 5 89 ms 109 ms 99 ms BrT-G5-0-1-etce-df-rotn-j01.brasiltelecom.net.br [200.199.193.163] 6 89 ms 87 ms 103 ms te-0-0-0-4-ETCE-DF-ROTB-01.brasiltelecom.net.br [177.2.192.104] 7 131 ms 107 ms 119 ms 200.223.46.221 8 235 ms 226 ms 227 ms 100.122.17.55 9 121 ms 109 ms 124 ms 200.164.11.110 10 318 ms 252 ms 219 ms 100.122.17.159 11 241 ms 251 ms 237 ms nyk-b5-link.telia.net [80.239.195.157] 12 243 ms 282 ms 247 ms nyk-bb2-link.telia.net [213.155.130.244] 13 319 ms 300 ms 310 ms sjo-b21-link.telia.net [80.91.254.177] 14 310 ms 337 ms 326 ms internap-ic-140172-sjo-b21.c.telia.net [213.248.81.134] 15 328 ms 306 ms 312 ms border2.t8-1-bbnet2.sje004.pnap.net [66.151.144.80] 16 316 ms 326 ms 339 ms perfectworld-10.border2.sje004.pnap.net [64.95.143.190] 17 301 ms 309 ms 305 ms 66.151.133.73 Rastreamento concluído.</code>
Test With VPNC:\Users\Seven>tracert pwiwest4.perfectworld.com Rastreando a rota para pwiwest4.perfectworld.com [66.151.133.73] com no máximo 30 saltos: 1 333 ms 382 ms 258 ms public-gw.vpngate.net [10.211.254.254] 2 309 ms 290 ms 278 ms 192.168.59.225 3 313 ms 306 ms 272 ms cust-198-154-100-205.corexchange.com [198.154.100.205] 4 304 ms 307 ms 307 ms xe-5-3-0.core4.dllstx01.corexchange.com [208.78.216.162] 5 289 ms 307 ms 280 ms xe-0-0-0-15.r07.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.195.117] 6 270 ms 307 ms 285 ms ae-5.r23.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.208] 7 313 ms 337 ms 272 ms ae-8.r23.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.154] 8 310 ms 308 ms 228 ms ae-45.r01.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.175] 9 315 ms 350 ms 222 ms ae-0.internap.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [157.238.64.138] 10 335 ms 336 ms 315 ms border2.t8-1-bbnet2.sje004.pnap.net [66.151.144.80] 11 333 ms 336 ms 257 ms perfectworld-10.border2.sje004.pnap.net [64.95.143.190] 12 331 ms 331 ms 294 ms 66.151.133.73 Rastreamento concluído.
And if this VPN server or the cable who link us get flooded, there are many others to try.
The important thing is to avoid net flood, which I don't think many people near the biggest hubs of the internet actually have experienced what is like.
I keep saying " I " because I'm talking about tests I can do with my own net. But if VPN was not against PWE's nonsense rules many others would use it.
Also, the way I talk at the start of the topic was meant to be goofy and somehow was interpreted as QQ.
But the topic is good.
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Here is a visual of partial system of the connections inside Brazil.
https://www.rnp.br//servicos/conectividade/trafego
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Am I missing something because it looks like the time for the vpn route is 10% slower than for the normal route???kittythecat2013 said:These tests were done at 4 AM. Which means there is no "flood" to access pwi directly.
Snippetty snip
Also is there something like PW-BR in either Australia or New Zealand because pings from here to westcoast US of A are rarely below 300ms, usually of the order of 390.
PWCN is not an option since I am too old to learn chinese as a 2nd language and, I'm told, the chinese servers wont allow connections from an Australian ip address anyway (no intentions of using vpn to mask my address to bypass this restriction).0 -
There are no oceanic perfect world servers. Frankly they'd be laughably dead.jamesmcd said:
Am I missing something because it looks like the time for the vpn route is 10% slower than for the normal route???kittythecat2013 said:These tests were done at 4 AM. Which means there is no "flood" to access pwi directly.
Snippetty snip
Also is there something like PW-BR in either Australia or New Zealand because pings from here to westcoast US of A are rarely below 300ms, usually of the order of 390.
PWCN is not an option since I am too old to learn chinese as a 2nd language and, I'm told, the chinese servers wont allow connections from an Australian ip address anyway (no intentions of using vpn to mask my address to bypass this restriction).
You can play PWCN without a VPN but you'll actually get a higher ping that you will connecting to TT or Tideswell. You'll get quite a drop there if you use a VPN for routing reasons but it still won't be low by any means.
Outside of that the other non PWI server options are the Russian server, the Malaysian server, the Filipino server, the Brazilian server and the Japanese server.
Could be missing one but I'm fairly sure that's all the w2i (this game) servers.
Out of the MY, PH and PWI are English and the others are not. MY is rather dead and I have no idea on PH. PH won't really get you a meaningfully better ping in practice compared to west coast USA, although it's not really any worse.
All in all I'd suggest playing on PWI. You could come up with rational for playing on CN, PH or JP but I don't think the advantages are worthwhile.
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Anyhow, the idea was to suggest PWE to stop the automatic ban for vpn/proxy connections because when the normal routes of the internet get laggy we could switch to other routes with vpn and be less unhappy.
But seems like the moderator already quit the topic and won't even forward the idea.
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PWE has already stated that they will not allow VPN's because of the regional exclusions in the games.kittythecat2013 wrote: »Anyhow, the idea was to suggest PWE to stop the automatic ban for vpn/proxy connections because when the normal routes of the internet get laggy we could switch to other routes with vpn and be less unhappy.
But seems like the moderator already quit the topic and won't even forward the idea.
If the OP (or anyone else for that matter) wants to make an actual suggestion thread (like the example I gave earlier), in the Suggestion Forum; then it will be seen, and you'll most likely be given the same response that I just gave at the top of this post. It most likely will not be logged because of this specific reason, but at least it will be presented correctly.
I haven't quit the topic at all. I watch for, and read every post. It's one of the few threads I am subscribed to. There just hasn't been anything much further that I have felt a need to respond to.0
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