Realistically, how much am i looking at?

cocaiinee00

So i played pwi back on HT years ago, and i am thinking of making a comeback. The problem is that i dont have any of my old accounts. I had a thousand emails back then and half of them i dont remember.

So the question is. How much time and/or money am i looking at to get towards endgame on a bm/sin. I occasionally have a little money to blow so that isnt really an issue.

bloodedone87

100 bilions coins.
I am joking. Or not.
I don't even know this days. Everything is expensive.
All depends on what you are talking about when you say endgame.
So maybe 20 bil of each if you don't plan to get hard to obtain war avatar sets like Nuema Portal and max it out.

cocaiinee00

bloodedone87 said:

100 bilions coins.
I am joking. Or not.
I don't even know this days. Everything is expensive.
All depends on what you are talking about when you say endgame.
So maybe 20 mil of each if you don't plan to get hard to obtain war avatar sets like Nuema Portal and max it out.

I'm a PVP fanatic, what i mean by endgame is just that. I want to be able to pvp. I dont have to be the best, or have the best gear there is, but pvp is definitely the goal

razzzza

half a fortune and at this point its IMPOSSIBLE to farm everything from scratch because its just so much randomness and so much time involved that i wouldnt even bother anymore.

Cashing everything would net you in the 10.000~1.000.000 euro range and im not even kidding.
All depends on your luck and with the recent star chart update you can gamble your house away and get nothing.​​

chary

For stuff you can't just outright buy, you're gonna be looking at months of dailies for sky levels alone. After that, there's titles and any remaining morai skills. And then you'll need badges from WS/Lunar to turn r9r into r9rr and 1080 tokens from NW for r9rr ring. Oh, and lastly, you need to hit 105 three times.

Now for what you'll need to buy:
-Full r9
-Summerwind Tokens to make it r9r
-EoO/EoD for r9rr manufacture
-Jades
-Full +12
-Emperor
-Neck/Cape/Helm/Belt/Ring engravings
-NW Cube neck
-Wings of Ascension
-Crown of Madness
-SoW for r9rr ring
-Cards via fsp coins or charge/spend promos (GL, it's all random)
-Starchart stuff (once again, GL, it's all random)
-Nuemas
-Meridians
-If veno, monkey pet at the very least
-Oh, and a flyer​​

sylenthunder

And by months, they mean dedicating 2-3 hours a day of gameplay to daily quests. That's on top of any of the time you will spend farming your gear, leveling, ect. Realistically you could drop a few grand into the game and get pretty close to instant high level with R9 gear. (About a week or two anyway.) But you're still going to be behind on many of the other aspects like Meridian, Start Charts, Cards for quite some time.​​

blazerboy

Mhm Im in this struggle right now if you know what you doing its bearable but yes it does suck

keihan007#7641

I did estimate the cost of "endgame" at 10k USD a while back. To be able to compete on sin you dont need more than +10 armors and no endgame shards so that is instant save of 4,5k USD. Cards are farmable, granted you need to get lucky yo just farm decent set in a year. Might need to put some money on them. Star charts too are time consuming/expensive to level.

So in short, putting 5k USD, few hour a day to dailies and a year of time you are likely pretty up to date. Of course you can farm/merch yout stuff but thats going to increase the time it takes to get "there". Is the game worth that? Thats up to you to decide.

stuffandthings#1458

cocaiinee00 said:

So i played pwi back on HT years ago, and i am thinking of making a comeback. The problem is that i dont have any of my old accounts. I had a thousand emails back then and half of them i dont remember.

So the question is. How much time and/or money am i looking at to get towards endgame on a bm/sin. I occasionally have a little money to blow so that isnt really an issue.

If you pick your sales correctly the answer is around $4400 for full +12 josd/deity r9rr with rings/tome/helm/cape/neck of choice along with a full rb2 candleflame set (a couple of cards may be rb1 if you have abysmal luck). You may want a touch more if you pick the most expensive possible combination if only to have some walking around coin.

For another $500 or so you can have everything in the game maxed in around 2 months outside of being 105/105/105. Do note this would involve paying for things most players grind out and would require a 2 week break to get a returning player bonus.

You can also spend another $1200-1500 for a good but not amazing star chart if you like. It's not needed and relatively few players have one but stats are stats, up to you.

Note this all assumes you're using charge bonus, charge promotion, spend promotion and best in class sales to your full advantage. If you do none of that (no clue why you'd do none of it though) these numbers more than double.

mulier

best way to make sure, OP is gonna stay away from the game forever ....


He asks for possibility to pvp , and all u bricks come up with, is comple3te Bs ,,, ofc u need the [REMOVED] crown of madness ...endgame gears .... come on people,,, actually use ur brains, instead of just giving stupid generic answers .....
#
head --> wall ... way tooo many times​​

keihan007#7641

mulier said:

best way to make sure, OP is gonna stay away from the game forever ....


He asks for possibility to pvp , and all u bricks come up with, is comple3te Bs ,,, ofc u need the [REMOVED] crown of madness ...endgame gears .... come on people,,, actually use ur brains, instead of just giving stupid generic answers .....
#
head --> wall ... way tooo many times​​

They asked for endgame toon hence the responses. And if you gonna suggest some N3 build for player who intends to compete in PvP? Lmao.

mulier

he asked for the gears to pvp with ..... start reading :P

and again .. nowhere did i suggest nv3 ... start reading again

but let me phrase it out : one does not need a completely maxed out character to do some pvp...

i think we even had that discussion not too long ago ...

standoffishman

mulier said:

he asked for the gears to pvp with ..... start reading :P

and again .. nowhere did i suggest nv3 ... start reading again

but let me phrase it out : one does not need a completely maxed out character to do some pvp...

i think we even had that discussion not too long ago ...

Well he could use +10 r9rr armor, +12 r9rr weapon, +10 g14 neck, +7ish sky cover or cloud stir, pan gu and +10 nv3 helm/cape with hp shards in the armor and drakeflames in the weapon (only because they are 50m). That's still about $900-$1000 at absolute best however. Given about 4 months of quite active play that should be solid in most pvp situations. It's just enough gear that there will only be a handful of players on each server who they can't put quite a bit of hurt on outside of class issues (ie gear isn't the main reason you aren't killing that buffed full vit barb as a sin). Any less gear than that however and the reason for 90% of losses will be gear gap.

In theory you can pvp in almost anything, however if they want to get 1 shot and hit for 200 all day they wouldn't have made this thread. Frankly most people not already playing will have the same reaction to $1000 as $4400 and I assumed they could work out that they can scale down somewhat if they want.

Also worth noting most people who aren't being snarky aren't suggesting maxed characters at all. RB2 portal sets pretty much wreck my more expensive gear set suggestion. Fortunately they are very rare.

keihan007#7641

mulier said:

he asked for the gears to pvp with ..... start reading :P

and again .. nowhere did i suggest nv3 ... start reading again

but let me phrase it out : one does not need a completely maxed out character to do some pvp...

i think we even had that discussion not too long ago ...

"How much time and/or money am i looking at to get towards endgame on a bm/sin"

Yes, he did actually ask bout endgame toon, lol.


As for gear, I suggested +10 armor, orns, etc. with +12 wep. Semi decent cards and so on. And thats really minimum you can really PvP properly with nowdays. And even that, w/o juggling sales and merching smartly on the side is gonna cost you dearly.

standoffishman

saxroll said:

mulier said:

he asked for the gears to pvp with ..... start reading :P

and again .. nowhere did i suggest nv3 ... start reading again

but let me phrase it out : one does not need a completely maxed out character to do some pvp...

i think we even had that discussion not too long ago ...

"How much time and/or money am i looking at to get towards endgame on a bm/sin"

Yes, he did actually ask bout endgame toon, lol.


As for gear, I suggested +10 armor, orns, etc. with +12 wep. Semi decent cards and so on. And thats really minimum you can really PvP properly with nowdays. And even that, w/o juggling sales and merching smartly on the side is gonna cost you dearly.

I agree with your gear standards but I think you're overestimating costs a bit. Only way I can get numbers that bad is if you randomly buy gold with no promotions and sell it to the AH. I wouldn't call just picking a single good time to pick up your gold juggling sales. I suspect you did the calculations back when things like gems were actually quite a lot more in terms of gold cost.

scruncy

I agree with your gear standards but I think you're overestimating costs a bit. Only way I can get numbers that bad is if you randomly buy gold with no promotions and sell it to the AH. I wouldn't call just picking a single good time to pick up your gold juggling sales. I suspect you did the calculations back when things like gems were actually quite a lot more in terms of gold cost.

Yes ofc, he could save a few bucks, with waiting for the right sales.
Means in about a year he might be able to do a bit pvp but still getting 1-shot. Same time other people increasing their gear as well,meaning he would even in a year still behind.
And +10, pangu, g16 helmet/cape, g14 neck is NOT endgame anymore ( not even close).

chary

There's no point to +10ing gear that will be replaced. The money can go elsewhere. Likewise for getting a Pangu.​​

standoffishman

Yes ofc, he could save a few bucks, with waiting for the right sales.
Means in about a year he might be able to do a bit pvp but still getting 1-shot. Same time other people increasing their gear as well,meaning he would even in a year still behind.
And +10, pangu, g16 helmet/cape, g14 neck is NOT endgame anymore ( not even close).




Most endgame players really have nowhere to go outside of hyper expensive stuff like portal sets. They do put out new stuff so the bar moves, but not all that fast. Someone who joined in 2012 isn't meaningfully behind someone who joined in 2009 at this point.

How are you possibly getting a year for pve stuff? I guess if you only play 5 hours a week? That's the only way it takes that long even if you require 105x3 for some reason. I'm not seeing how a BM with that gear is being 1 shot with much frequency without a portal set or a massively better star chart? Like it's doable if they are amped with def charms on cd and someone triple sparks and then crits a big skill (doable without the amp if someone purges them). In practical terms however it's actually just as easy to 1 shot someone in full +12 LA and gear that you would likely consider end game.

With regards to what's end game and what's not where do you draw the line? The first set of gear I suggested (stuffandthings is me, I was logged into the wrong account) still gets utterly wrecked by super geared players. In fact it's a much bigger gap than you see between my first and second sets. What's the requirement for endgame for an overall set of gear? Top 30% in the top 3-4 factions on your server? Top 10%? Top 10% in the strongest faction? Top 5 in the server? Best in slot for every slot? Does it vary between servers? Taken individually I wouldn't consider a g14 neck end game no but that's kinda an odd way to look at it. Someone with a portal set can wear no neck and still be end game. On an unrelated note just to say the nv3 cape/helm is rather close to CoM/WoA for dex classes to the point it makes more sense to get after a portal set and a 400+ spirit starchart.

scruncy

ok, let me make a listing:

- R9.3 is endgame / N3,R9.1, r9.2 is not
- CoM, upgraded Base helmet is endgame / N3 is not
- WoA, Heavenravanger cape is endgame / N3 is not
- +12 refines is engame / +10 is not
- Josd/Deity sharding is endgame / Vit and garnets are not
- G16 upgraded cube neck is endgame / G14 is not
- R9 ring upgraded,Upgraded cloudstir/skycover are endgame / other rings are not
- sockets and belt/neck and sharded is endgame / no sockets is not
- Having GOOD Engravings on Rings,Neck,Belt,Cape,Helmet is endgame / no engravings is not endgame
- Reborn S cards,Reborn candleflame set is endgame / random lvl'd cards are not
additionaly to be endgame you should have maxed meridian,nuemas,titles and have a good starchart, you should have maxed all passives and ofc have all your skills up to date ,spirit should be around 1500+

Now , you might miss one or two from the above and you could consider yourself still endgame. But it is the combination of ALL.
If people like stated above say ,get r9.3 +10 and wep +12,g14 neck and N3 helmet/cape with some shards plus some cards and you are good to go, they are wrong in my opinion.
If this is what it is considered endgame on other servers ,then I am not surprised that Dawnglory **** the other servers each week in NW....

keihan007#7641

standoffishman said:

I agree with your gear standards but I think you're overestimating costs a bit. Only way I can get numbers that bad is if you randomly buy gold with no promotions and sell it to the AH. I wouldn't call just picking a single good time to pick up your gold juggling sales. I suspect you did the calculations back when things like gems were actually quite a lot more in terms of gold cost.

I did the calculations while back, yea.

I would argue N3 cape/helm combo to be actually endgame. Its way squishier than other options but it hits harder than even com + woa combo on most situations. If and when it seems like I am going with deity sharding, it would be kinda questionable to put few billions on new cape/helm just to be tankier and hit bit less.

Either way Etherblade is very geared, the only difference where DA might be relevantly better is star charts or it might be I am just way behind on them myself. Or it could be the 1,5k spirit is buffed, which I surpass but either way, my spirit does suck.

standoffishman

scruncy said:

ok, let me make a listing:

- R9.3 is endgame / N3,R9.1, r9.2 is not
- CoM, upgraded Base helmet is endgame / N3 is not
- WoA, Heavenravanger cape is endgame / N3 is not
- +12 refines is engame / +10 is not
- Josd/Deity sharding is endgame / Vit and garnets are not
- G16 upgraded cube neck is endgame / G14 is not
- R9 ring upgraded,Upgraded cloudstir/skycover are endgame / other rings are not
- sockets and belt/neck and sharded is endgame / no sockets is not
- Having GOOD Engravings on Rings,Neck,Belt,Cape,Helmet is endgame / no engravings is not endgame
- Reborn S cards,Reborn candleflame set is endgame / random lvl'd cards are not
additionaly to be endgame you should have maxed meridian,nuemas,titles and have a good starchart, you should have maxed all passives and ofc have all your skills up to date ,spirit should be around 1500+

Now , you might miss one or two from the above and you could consider yourself still endgame. But it is the combination of ALL.
If people like stated above say ,get r9.3 +10 and wep +12,g14 neck and N3 helmet/cape with some shards plus some cards and you are good to go, they are wrong in my opinion.
If this is what it is considered endgame on other servers ,then I am not surprised that Dawnglory **** the other servers each week in NW....

I could nitpick stuff you've listed as incorrect in a few situations but I know what you're getting at and outside of perhaps the helm/cape thing I'm fairly sure you omitted stuff only because said situations are rare.

I think fundamentally we are looking at end game gear in a different way. You're considering it as a checklist that must be met while I'm looking more at overall strength. If you were to say my cheaper option was simply not strong enough to actually preform in end game pvp I'm not sure I'd disagree. I think that would come down to class, what you're trying to do, your server and even your faction's class breakdown.

The reason I don't find it useful to look at end game gear as a checklist like that is that right now our gear gap is insanely high and some parts are massively more important than others. For example a character done out exactly as you're suggesting here using a rb2 candleflame set is actually quite a bit weaker than a character with +10 r9rr armor and no helm, no cape, no tome, no neck and no rings equipped at all that's using rb2 portal. That's a fairly dramatic example as rb2 portal is so rare but it's also an insane amount of empty gear slots.