The direction game community heading

usmc1990

I have played this game for a very long time now. I love it from the first day, and still love it. Tho sometime it frustrated me with the direction PWI heading toward. But none the less i still love it. I remember way back we always lend hand to one another when doing qst and dailies. Whenever i am doing dailie or qst and there other in area doing the same i always send sqd invite, or throw buff when i play my cleric. But lately it seem most people just ignore the basic human sense to help out one another when in need. for exmaple the daily in primal strong hold assault, at any giving time there's like 5-6 people at least waiting to kill mobs and no one send invite to one another, rather just trying to out do the other. the amount of time you're trying to do that, you coulda just sqd up and get it done in one shot. I always take into consideration that there still new players and still weak and need help. And so i always trying to sqd up and lend a hand. It doesnt slow you down abit, everyone in sqd get the kills. It just make me sad the directiong this game community heading is in NW, cleric could easily throw a buff to friendlies. But instead everyone just so tune to themself, its sad. Not sure everyone feel the same.

daymond

You don't share mobs for that daily. Even if you are in squad, only the person who kills the mob gets the credit.

ailiadrake

Actually, the mobs for Stronghold Assault can be shared. It's only the digging that you have to do on your own.

daymond

My mistake, when he described 5-6 people waiting around I thought he was referring to the Cart/Caravan daily at Sky Owl

cynderangel

I know what you mean. I've sent squad invites there before, had them rejected, shrugged, one shotted my mobs and flew off while the guy I tried to invite had to wait for them to respawn. Doesn't just happen there, but it is disappointing.

If someone sends me an invite while I'm doing dailies, I'm very unlikely to reject it. Maybe only if I'm almost done and in a hurry. Otherwise I'll take a few extra minutes to help out

tidustheswordwarrior

I also like to point out another factor regarding for ex: bh69. ive had to duo my main to tank it for my alt when running with randoms. the reason why is cause most of the squads ive run with want to do the line up according to the bh numbers instead of making a single and smooth swoop of the instance by stacking bhs. players who don't stack bhs end up **** the rest of the squad with those that do stack. Plus this running back and forth is simply a waste of time while having to wait for certain player(s) to get back in just to go back out again. All im saying is that players need to start saying that if you don't have stacked bhs then you'll get kicked or will have to suffer.

kyoske

tidustheswordwarrior said:

I also like to point out another factor regarding for ex: bh69. ive had to duo my main to tank it for my alt when running with randoms. the reason why is cause most of the squads ive run with want to do the line up according to the bh numbers instead of making a single and smooth swoop of the instance by stacking bhs. players who don't stack bhs end up **** the rest of the squad with those that do stack. Plus this running back and forth is simply a waste of time while having to wait for certain player(s) to get back in just to go back out again. All im saying is that players need to start saying that if you don't have stacked bhs then you'll get kicked or will have to suffer.

This right here deserves a stupidity medal, while i do agree that running back and forth may take time, i think it's pretty dumb for you to bash players who dont stack bhs niether should they be kicked. Here's what you do; keep soloing it with your main and leave squads alone. Insensitive clown.

bloodedone87

kyoske said:

tidustheswordwarrior said:

I also like to point out another factor regarding for ex: bh69. ive had to duo my main to tank it for my alt when running with randoms. the reason why is cause most of the squads ive run with want to do the line up according to the bh numbers instead of making a single and smooth swoop of the instance by stacking bhs. players who don't stack bhs end up **** the rest of the squad with those that do stack. Plus this running back and forth is simply a waste of time while having to wait for certain player(s) to get back in just to go back out again. All im saying is that players need to start saying that if you don't have stacked bhs then you'll get kicked or will have to suffer.

This right here deserves a stupidity medal, while i do agree that running back and forth may take time, i think it's pretty dumb for you to bash players who dont stack bhs niether should they be kicked. Here's what you do; keep soloing it with your main and leave squads alone. Insensitive clown.

I hate 2 people that go back and forth.
When I solo bh 79 for nuema I invite people who needs bh. If they are not at boss when I am or in 1 minute later I dont care. I will kill it.

darkdemen

It's a simple thing. People who stack bh don't care about leveling. People who do all bhs every day want to level faster.

kyoske

As someone who **** bh79 to max my nuemas up to lvl 6, i used to take people with me to do their bhs and i would wait on them when they turn in. The only time i ever kicked someone was when he took nuema and his response was " im cool like that" . To @usmc1990 what you need to understand is that PWI has changed. That helpfulness and friendliness is no longer there and i would say it's because one as the time goes by we become meaner and more selfish for one, but really majority of the weak peopler you see running around have more powerful mains and even i find it annoying at times when they tag along and their main could probably wipe the floor with my main. It has reach the point where i would pay to actually see a new player, i would be their personally helper in instances, but they just dont exist. Now with that specific quest Good Luck to you, because we only need to kill 4 mobs and most of us just aoe and kill em all and others just have to keep waiting. My advise is be faster.

cynderangel

@kyoske Well, aren't you the pot calling the kettle black?

@darkdemen If you stack properly, you'll only miss out on a bh2 and a bh3. Once. Ever. If done early on, this bh will be during your Qingzi bh. Then you can efficiently complete a bh and get on to questing and other dailies rather than running back and forth or having to hunt for a new squad if your squad didn't wait for you. Basically, your logic makes little to no sense.

astralwalk

While doing dailies i usually dont send invities to people in the area waiting on mobs, but if i get one i accept it and we both get it done at the same time. I also don't try to fight people for quest mobs or digs, like at stronghold assault for example, i look who's been around already and let them get their mobs before i kill mine. But if someone else comes along after me while i was being curtious of a non-existant order, and they try to get their mobs, then i'll attempt to ks cuz im not waiting that long lol

I dont think that the attitude of helping each other is dead yet, its more like a fish out of water desperately gasping for air. Throw the fish back in the water people!

darkdemen

For stacking BH you need to spend at least 3-4 days, which is enough to ding 10 levels for new BH quests.

cynderangel

@darkdemen If you're missing out on that much exp, you're doing it wrong. You only miss out on one bh2 and two bh3s (I was off on this). That's a ONE TIME TOTAL of 120k exp you will miss if you set up your stack when your bh is still Qingzi. I'm not sure how that translates to 10 levels even if you mess up your stack and refix it at a higher level.

http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Bounty_Hunter#Stacking_Bounty_Hunter_Quests

As a side note, to level from 40 to 41, it takes 130,600 exp, so unless you're rebirthed, you won't even get one level out of that. If you are rebirthed, you'll get a few levels, but certainly not 10, and you'll probably have better ways to gain exp by spending your time not running back and forth in bh.

sylenthunder

cynderangel wrote: »

@darkdemen If you're missing out on that much exp, you're doing it wrong. You only miss out on one bh2 and two bh3s (I was off on this). That's a ONE TIME TOTAL of 120k exp you will miss if you set up your stack when your bh is still Qingzi. I'm not sure how that translates to 10 levels even if you mess up your stack and refix it at a higher level.

http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Bounty_Hunter#Stacking_Bounty_Hunter_Quests

As a side note, to level from 40 to 41, it takes 130,600 exp, so unless you're rebirthed, you won't even get one level out of that. If you are rebirthed, you'll get a few levels, but certainly not 10, and you'll probably have better ways to gain exp by spending your time not running back and forth in bh.

^^ This.

And if you're going to whine about losing that little amount of exp, go play something else.​​

kittyempressa

Just Kitty's 13 cents to the BH stacking-discussion...

Some people do BHs as they come because they won't be in the level range for more than a day. For ex. when Kitty's RB-leveling her chars, it takes her like 12 hours at worst to level 80-90 and if she's concentrating, she'll be done with 90-100 in less than a day. That's why stacking isn't viable for some.
And Kitty wouldn't like to miss out on BH2 and BH3 rewards either as they're very good XP with 6,0/5,5x XP multiplier from RB-bonus+Returning Warrior rewards. So she rather clears a dungeon once than thrice, quickly turning in after bosses and spamming Holy Path on her way back.​​

cynderangel

@kittyempressa But the short legs on magic classes

Since I solo mine after rebirth, and I typically can't play more than an hour or so a day, it makes more sense for me to do my bhs in a way that will set up the stack so I can knock the bosses out quickly and find something else to do

But this has gone a bit off topic, so to make it more relevant with the "play nice" topic of the thread... To ask an entire squad to wait while you go to turn in and come back or to have them running a silly order in the dungeon because you need one specific boss first is pretty inconsiderate. I suppose the people who do that will argue that not waiting would make the squad inconsiderate, but not all of us have as much time to play in a day and would like to move on. I think it goes back to just needing to communicate, and there won't be issues.

Or just solo :c

kyoske

Personally i have a different stance on this if its a good nuema day ill **** bh79 and ill wait for you to turn in, just dont take nuemas. Also if im in a good mood nuema or not ill gladly help out a squad, btw lately good moods dont occur often. No matter how i look at it, i wouldnt be able to do all the things i can now if a couple who plays didnt help me out, so i have no problem helping.

tidustheswordwarrior

@kyoske: Then what's the point in making squads for lower level bhs when players can just take their main, solo it, get the neuma and leave. All I'd be seeing is a bunch of players doing their own thing without any kind of communicating. Plus that's what squads are for, being able to do random squads to meet new and old players alike to accomplish a task such as in bh69-79. If your really this dumb, you deserve 3 medals. (stupidity, ignorance and brainless) how's that for pot calling the kettle black? Plus a few other things: 1. doing each bh by number is a waste of time, 2. mathematically speaking stacking bhs gives more xp than having to do each bh daily. (79- stacked brim and eden 2.26m xp vs 1.13m non stacked, 69- stacked 1.5m xp vs 750k xp non stacked.) so the data here proves that stacked bhs works better than non stacked. And 3. everyone before the reawakened stages stacked bhs regardless of their level range. So why break something if its not broken. Plus when I did the Reawaken levels, I stacked my bhs and I got like 3-4 lvls or more by doing it. So if you have a problem with someone who is smarter than the dummies, be my guest and go play something else.

mulier

murphy'S law - imho !

AND i blame the dailies for the decline in being chilled in pwi - everyone got soo much to do EVERYDAY .... and its so god damn important aswell (especially the primal dailies really are bollocks....)


bottomline : small guilds with people you know/learn to know - still is one of the more relaxed ways of enjoying the game ... its mostly the hardcore/pro/whatever that tend to see it as a job. - dodge those ppl (came off rude - wasnt intended) and have a good time.

kyoske

@tidustheswordwarrior wow seems a lot of people here want to attack me, Ive been warned once about how i speak on here so i wont argue or anything like that. Ill just give you two reasons why although many people have op mains who could solo even the bh bosses in abba and seat they still seek squads.
1. A lot of players believe it or not are dumb enough to create alts toons on their main account. Mains cant help those toons.
2. Maybe this will apply to a very small section of the playerbase, but some players dont have the system to multi-client, let's face it for an old game like this one it does suffer from severe lag at times; even people with updated computers complain.

You see you guys have the selfish thing going on here and all i will say is that you help if you want to and you dont if you dont want to. To the OP its the same some ill help and some wont. The only thing that will upset me as i stated before is if you take the nuema. Thats where i draw the line, everything else im cool with, so if you want to kill Linus first that what the hell let's kill Linus first at the end of the day im getting what I went there for and im good with that.

cynderangel

@kyoske So I'm dumb because I created my alts on same account to account stash my gear and level (at least somewhat) legitimately? It's just dumb, not a different way to choose to play? Regardless of your personal feelings on the matter, maybe you should stop calling people dumb for having different ways of doing things than you. You aren't being attacked for your ideas as much as how you present them.

sylenthunder

This discussion has degenerated enough.

/Closed​​