No support from GM

jadasia

eirghan said:

@jadasia okay lets assume that your friend borrowed your car and it got stolen. Youappeal to the authorities to get the item back and file a report with the police. the police say "sorry kid, your car is stolen we cant do **** about it lol good luck!"



But lets table that scenario. Because my point wasnt whether pw should replace the item it was about how you guys are berating op for doing something wrong. No matter how, or who you appeal to... Your car is still stolen.

You were a victim of theft. Circumstances don't change that.

1st, yes report the car stolen and allow the police to get the property back. However don't expect the police to pay for the items in the car that are still missing.

I'm not berating the OP at all. I'm merely pointing out that he and his friend are just as responsible for his **** getting stolen as the perp who stole it because their actions enabled the account and gear to be stolen in spite of all those daily warnings from the GMS, the forums, the in-game red system chat, etc. They are 100% responsible to safeguard their accounts and their stuff in their accounts because they have full control over it.

In your example the 'victim' volunteered the keys to the car to the perp who stole it. He's responsible for enabling the perp to steal his account.

I feel for people who get scammed. last month a good friend of mine had his account stolen this way and the perp tried to steal mine. I knew better. And just a few weeks ago I had a few faction members who had their accounts stolen. I can empathize with them but sympathy is tough considering what our responsibilities are regarding how we safeguard our account credentials. The OP and his friend need to assume some responsibility for what happened and to me that makes them less of a victim than what you and some others are making them out to be.

As I stated this needs to be a lesson learned so it does not happen again.

eirghan

jadasia said:

eirghan said:

@jadasia okay lets assume that your friend borrowed your car and it got stolen. Youappeal to the authorities to get the item back and file a report with the police. the police say "sorry kid, your car is stolen we cant do **** about it lol good luck!"

In your example the 'victim' volunteered the keys to the car to the perp who stole it. He's responsible for enabling the perp to steal his account.

How can OP take responsibility for something he had absolutely no control/say in/way to predict?

Theres a difference between taking responsibility if you are at fault and being a victim of someone else's stupidity.


Yes, we can say there are risks in lending items in game to other players.
Yes, we can say because of that fact that PWI is justified in telling him to "pound sand".
And sure, we can say "take responsibility for your choice (however uneducated) of lending items to people you have no solid way of identifying securely".

But I don't think we can tell him he was irresponsible and deserves to be "taught a lesson" about account info... or being berated about how many times a day there are system warnings about account scammers. That has nothing to do with lending your gear to friends.... OP didn't enter in his account credentials anywhere and safeguarded them correctly.

As far as this goes:

jadasia said:I'm not berating the OP at all. I'm merely pointing out that he and his friend are just as responsible for his **** getting stolen as the perp who stole it because their actions enabled the account and gear to be stolen


be·rate
bəˈrāt/
verb
scold or criticize (someone) angrily.

jadasia

eirghan said:

jadasia said:

eirghan said:

@jadasia okay lets assume that your friend borrowed your car and it got stolen. Youappeal to the authorities to get the item back and file a report with the police. the police say "sorry kid, your car is stolen we cant do **** about it lol good luck!"

In your example the 'victim' volunteered the keys to the car to the perp who stole it. He's responsible for enabling the perp to steal his account.

How can OP take responsibility for something he had absolutely no control/say in/way to predict?

Theres a difference between taking responsibility if you are at fault and being a victim of someone else's stupidity.


Yes, we can say there are risks in lending items in game to other players.
Yes, we can say because of that fact that PWI is justified in telling him to "pound sand".
And sure, we can say "take responsibility for your choice (however uneducated) of lending items to people you have no solid way of identifying securely".

But I don't think we can tell him he was irresponsible and deserves to be "taught a lesson" about account info... or being berated about how many times a day there are system warnings about account scammers. That has nothing to do with lending your gear to friends.... OP didn't enter in his account credentials anywhere and safeguarded them correctly.

As far as this goes:

jadasia said:

I'm not berating the OP at all. I'm merely pointing out that he and his friend are just as responsible for his **** getting stolen as the perp who stole it because their actions enabled the account and gear to be stolen

be·rate
bəˈrāt/
verb
scold or criticize (someone) angrily.


I said,


"How can OP take responsibility for something he had absolutely no control/say in/way to predict?"

Do I have to quote the red system chat that has been spammed on every server every hour for months? It says, "TRUST NOBODY. NOT EVEN YOUR FRIENDS." Those words actually do mean something because they are based off of other people's bad experiences.

OP had every control over this. There was ample warning of the risks yet he took the risk and lost. If people are going to play with fire they are likely to get burned. How does one learn not to play with fire? Let them get burned at least once. Most times that person will not be playing with fire in the future.

About the berate definition. There is no anger in my demands that one take responsibility for their own poor choices. I make plenty of errors in judgement and I eat the losses. Those are consequences of my poor choices. How can I ask any less of anyone else?

If this guy really does have in-game friends they would help him get what he needs to make replacements for the gears that were stolen. That's what I would do for my friends. This really needs to be a lesson learned. The only way to stop this kind of thing from happening is to stop engaging in the behavior which enables it. Stop lending our gears, stop going to 3rd party websites and entering game/email credentials, and stop account sharing. Maybe if enough people get burned they would learn and others will learn from them too.

Oh, I I'm too lazy to fix the quote so we'll have to deal with my pinkish text in this post too. And I just now noticed that **** isn't being censored anymore.

sylenthunder

jadasia wrote: »

Oh, I I'm too lazy to fix the quote so we'll have to deal with my pinkish text in this post too. And I just now noticed that **** isn't being censored anymore.

Yeah, forums are pretty broken atm. I saw you were the last to post, and was trying to figure out why it looked like it was erighan.

BTW, I removed a couple of posts that weren't helpful at all, and were just being offensive. keep it clean guys or I'll have to fully close this thread.​​