Will server tranfers ever be a possiblility?
ryasche47
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Just wondering if there is still any point in checking forums against all odds that Pwe did something to help or are just sweeping it under the rug like other mistakes. Not wasting my limited bandwidth to try an expansion on a server I can't play on in the first place.
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When we had PvP servers it was a definite no.
Now that they've gone through the effort to merge the servers and they're all PvE, It may be a mild possibility.
Personally though, I wouldn't hold my breath. it's not likely that it will ever happen.0 -
Yes, I wasn't hoping too hard. Guess my perfect world days are over.
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ask on forum: not possible
wire them $1000 and ask nicely; suddenly i have a feeling itll be possible0 -
The impact of this merge has been awful for me. I have now lost my game husband who cant play because of the terrrible lag. My own ms to DG is 420 usually and I get server errors nearly every time. relogging up to 11 times does not make for fun. PWI is losing me too. I could go on but when does PWI ever listen to people who have been their loyal player base for over 5 years?
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well a merge was inevitable because they wanted to bring cross server events to the game though yes it has impacted me negatively as well but i guess there is little what players can do and hope server transfer becomes a legit PW service!0
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I know many people myself that want this. PWE needs to get on this because of their forced time change on a NA server by merging it with an EU one.
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Ask on here and sylen will tell you "definitely no" but then it comes around and he talks himself out its funny everytime it happens huehue.
i have no idea how ppl can gave 10k ping i even have a decent ping when i connect to japanese games so its a fault on your end thats for sure rofl.
Dont blame PWI for everything.
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IMO if they enable servers transfer, a lot of players that quit will return (like me).
Every modern MMORPGs allow server transfer nowadays... but this game keep going down!0 -
@ raazzzzz when one measures the ping from the destination previous to Europe it was significantly different. Your comment was entirely unhelpful and in this case it IS directly connected to the server merge
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@ raazzzzz when one measures the ping from the destination previous to Europe it was significantly different. Your comment was entirely unhelpful and in this case it IS directly connected to the server merge
yes its different but nowhere near the ping people make it out to be.
I read comments on here where people stated that they jumped from solid 30ms to 10.000 to 50.000 Ping which is ridiculously insane and not true at all.
When i played on HL from EU i had a ping which ranged from 200 to 400 at worst times (average was around 250) and on good days i had like 200 the whole day.
Now on Dawnglory i have a ping of 100 which is nice to have but i dont feel its way better so meh.
When you say you could play HL on a ping around 150 you could expect a ping of 300 and its perfectly playable and not as everyone makes it out to be and crys "unplayable ping omfg cant move GG".
When i have a ping of around 500 when i connect to japanese MMORPGS (yes there is a legit mmorpg where you COULD connect to it via EU client) you can get a playable ping with a decent internet connection. nuff said.0 -
Just wondering if there is still any point in checking forums against all odds that Pwe did something to help or are just sweeping it under the rug like other mistakes. Not wasting my limited bandwidth to try an expansion on a server I can't play on in the first place.
More likely they would merge the servers before offering that. BUT!!! We said server merges would be unlikely so... Their is your answer No One Really Knows.0 -
@ raazzzzz when one measures the ping from the destination previous to Europe it was significantly different. Your comment was entirely unhelpful and in this case it IS directly connected to the server merge
yes its different but nowhere near the ping people make it out to be.
I read comments on here where people stated that they jumped from solid 30ms to 10.000 to 50.000 Ping which is ridiculously insane and not true at all.
When i played on HL from EU i had a ping which ranged from 200 to 400 at worst times (average was around 250) and on good days i had like 200 the whole day.
Now on Dawnglory i have a ping of 100 which is nice to have but i dont feel its way better so meh.
When you say you could play HL on a ping around 150 you could expect a ping of 300 and its perfectly playable and not as everyone makes it out to be and crys "unplayable ping omfg cant move GG".
When i have a ping of around 500 when i connect to japanese MMORPGS (yes there is a legit mmorpg where you COULD connect to it via EU client) you can get a playable ping with a decent internet connection. nuff said.
I was on harshlands. I had a solid ping of around 89ms, give or take.
My ping now has never dropped below 400 on a good day. Skills are lagged, typing is lagged, talking to NPCs are lagged. Pretty much everything for me is lagged now since the merger and my ping is usually in the red now.
The lag (for me), along with not being able to do any events, makes the game pointless for me to try and play, so I have quit.
About the server Transfers
I have heard transfers are possible. Heard tale of PWE switching someone because of a creep who took things into real life. Although I dont see PWE doing them on a mass scale.
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Ask on here and sylen will tell you "definitely no" but then it comes around and he talks himself out its funny everytime it happens huehue.
i have no idea how ppl can gave 10k ping i even have a decent ping when i connect to japanese games so its a fault on your end thats for sure rofl.
Dont blame PWI for everything.
So I play fine on pwi east server for 6-7 years with no disconnects and no latency/lag. Server merge happens I'm forced into EU server now have 500-2k response times and its on my end?.... fail to see your logic. Further server=more latency. It's simple really
No need for the attitude I'm only looking for a solution so all the money and time does not go to waste. 0 -
Ask on here and sylen will tell you "definitely no" but then it comes around and he talks himself out its funny everytime it happens huehue.
i have no idea how ppl can gave 10k ping i even have a decent ping when i connect to japanese games so its a fault on your end thats for sure rofl.
Dont blame PWI for everything.
So I play fine on pwi east server for 6-7 years with no disconnects and no latency/lag. Server merge happens I'm forced into EU server now have 500-2k response times and its on my end?.... fail to see your logic. Further server=more latency. It's simple really No need for the attitude I'm only looking for a solution so all the money and time does not go to waste.
Not to mention there are a LOT more arguments then just the fact that you have increased lag as to why players from HL want to transfer servers.0 -
Ask on here and sylen will tell you "definitely no" but then it comes around and he talks himself out its funny everytime it happens huehue.
i have no idea how ppl can gave 10k ping i even have a decent ping when i connect to japanese games so its a fault on your end thats for sure rofl.
Dont blame PWI for everything.
So I play fine on pwi east server for 6-7 years with no disconnects and no latency/lag. Server merge happens I'm forced into EU server now have 500-2k response times and its on my end?.... fail to see your logic. Further server=more latency. It's simple really No need for the attitude I'm only looking for a solution so all the money and time does not go to waste.
when you got 2k ping yes its on your end.
When you play on constant 400-500 ping ok that can be expectet but not 2k and up.
Also the argument of "forcing players" etc is getting old and some other players (like me) really like the merge not only because im in the eu but because pwi changed so much that timezones matter and eu server did not exist when i started.
jadajada blabla i dont wanna cut this cake again you get the idea.
Servertransfer would be a neat idea yes i agree but lets wait until this really comes around and i would not hold my breath to it honestly.0 -
Ask on here and sylen will tell you "definitely no" but then it comes around and he talks himself out its funny everytime it happens huehue.
i have no idea how ppl can gave 10k ping i even have a decent ping when i connect to japanese games so its a fault on your end thats for sure rofl.
Dont blame PWI for everything.
So I play fine on pwi east server for 6-7 years with no disconnects and no latency/lag. Server merge happens I'm forced into EU server now have 500-2k response times and its on my end?.... fail to see your logic. Further server=more latency. It's simple really No need for the attitude I'm only looking for a solution so all the money and time does not go to waste.
when you got 2k ping yes its on your end.
When you play on constant 400-500 ping ok that can be expectet but not 2k and up.
Also the argument of "forcing players" etc is getting old and some other players (like me) really like the merge not only because im in the eu but because pwi changed so much that timezones matter and eu server did not exist when i started.
jadajada blabla i dont wanna cut this cake again you get the idea.
Servertransfer would be a neat idea yes i agree but lets wait until this really comes around and i would not hold my breath to it honestly.
No offense but if you live in EU, you opinion in the matter is a bit biased. Seeing as how you don't have to deal with a completely different time zone. Also you are already used to the different languages and such that are used on the EU server, HL players are not.0 -
zoner112012 wrote: »Ask on here and sylen will tell you "definitely no" but then it comes around and he talks himself out its funny everytime it happens huehue.
i have no idea how ppl can gave 10k ping i even have a decent ping when i connect to japanese games so its a fault on your end thats for sure rofl.
Dont blame PWI for everything.
So I play fine on pwi east server for 6-7 years with no disconnects and no latency/lag. Server merge happens I'm forced into EU server now have 500-2k response times and its on my end?.... fail to see your logic. Further server=more latency. It's simple really No need for the attitude I'm only looking for a solution so all the money and time does not go to waste.
when you got 2k ping yes its on your end.
When you play on constant 400-500 ping ok that can be expectet but not 2k and up.
Also the argument of "forcing players" etc is getting old and some other players (like me) really like the merge not only because im in the eu but because pwi changed so much that timezones matter and eu server did not exist when i started.
jadajada blabla i dont wanna cut this cake again you get the idea.
Servertransfer would be a neat idea yes i agree but lets wait until this really comes around and i would not hold my breath to it honestly.
No offense but if you live in EU, you opinion in the matter is a bit biased. Seeing as how you don't have to deal with a completely different time zone. Also you are already used to the different languages and such that are used on the EU server, HL players are not.
I played for over 6 years on Harshlands and had to deal with the timezone since it got relevant for everyone (Nationwar) and thought it would be nice if PWI would switch the time for NW a bit around but it never happened.
Other events which came with time where unaccessable for me most of the time too so yea.
Ofc its my fault too because i play on a east coast server and have to adjust but when i started only TW was relevant for some people and i wasnt one of them.
biased or not but i only state things that are true and i support server transfer because of the timezone and lag for the people who really enjoy pvp because 400ping for pvp can be lethal.
Different languages? you kidding me? dont tell me americans cant adjust to some languages they cant understand and have everyone talk in the masterrace language that is english. sorry but that statement ist a bit off.0 -
zoner112012 wrote: »
No offense but if you live in EU, you opinion in the matter is a bit biased. Seeing as how you don't have to deal with a completely different time zone. Also you are already used to the different languages and such that are used on the EU server, HL players are not.
Honestly, it's not biased when the EU players who were originally forced into Harshlands had to "JUST ACCEPT IT" from the East Coast server they were at the time being forced to play on. Most of the EU players now in their new server feels everything is justified and the East Coast players who originally told the EU players to "JUST ACCEPT IT" can take their given words and simply "JUST ACCEPT IT".
Server transfers would be great, and would have been done a long time ago. It's not in the game after being released for over 10 years, then it's not going to be released into the game any time soon.
The idea is great, but don't expect a miracle.
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Using the argument that EU players were FORCED to play on NA servers when thats what they were, NA servers is a silly notion. No one FORCED EU players to play on servers that weren't in your time zone, if you did that was your choice. The fact that players that CHOSE that server FOR their time and are now forced to deal with EU time IS a problem and you really have no argument to refute that point. Sorry not sorry. As for language, it is a problem for some people when they can't understand things and feel left out. I never claimed English was a master language or anything like that. Putting words in peoples mouths is usually a bad idea. However, forcing players to suddenly deal with an influx of new people speaking new languages CAN be disruptive to their gameplay. Sure they can probably deal with it, but why should they be forced to? Originally rules were in place that said English was the language allowed and GMs would enforce that and mute players that spammed other languages, clearly that isn't the case anymore. The point is, they have a right to have at least the opportunity to move servers to get out of a less then satisfactory change for them of they so desire.0
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zoner112012 wrote: »
No offense but if you live in EU, you opinion in the matter is a bit biased. Seeing as how you don't have to deal with a completely different time zone. Also you are already used to the different languages and such that are used on the EU server, HL players are not.
Honestly, it's not biased when the EU players who were originally forced into Harshlands had to "JUST ACCEPT IT" from the East Coast server they were at the time being forced to play on. Most of the EU players now in their new server feels everything is justified and the East Coast players who originally told the EU players to "JUST ACCEPT IT" can take their given words and simply "JUST ACCEPT IT".
Server transfers would be great, and would have been done a long time ago. It's not in the game after being released for over 10 years, then it's not going to be released into the game any time soon.
The idea is great, but don't expect a miracle.
Precisely how were EU players "forced" into harshlands?0 -
They started playing before the EU servers existed. East coast servers were the best option. Before the East coast servers existed, West coast was the only choice.zoner112012 wrote: »
No offense but if you live in EU, you opinion in the matter is a bit biased. Seeing as how you don't have to deal with a completely different time zone. Also you are already used to the different languages and such that are used on the EU server, HL players are not.
Honestly, it's not biased when the EU players who were originally forced into Harshlands had to "JUST ACCEPT IT" from the East Coast server they were at the time being forced to play on. Most of the EU players now in their new server feels everything is justified and the East Coast players who originally told the EU players to "JUST ACCEPT IT" can take their given words and simply "JUST ACCEPT IT".
Server transfers would be great, and would have been done a long time ago. It's not in the game after being released for over 10 years, then it's not going to be released into the game any time soon.
The idea is great, but don't expect a miracle.
Precisely how were EU players "forced" into harshlands?0 -
sylenthunder wrote: »
They started playing before the EU servers existed. East coast servers were the best option. Before the East coast servers existed, West coast was the only choice.zoner112012 wrote: »
No offense but if you live in EU, you opinion in the matter is a bit biased. Seeing as how you don't have to deal with a completely different time zone. Also you are already used to the different languages and such that are used on the EU server, HL players are not.
Honestly, it's not biased when the EU players who were originally forced into Harshlands had to "JUST ACCEPT IT" from the East Coast server they were at the time being forced to play on. Most of the EU players now in their new server feels everything is justified and the East Coast players who originally told the EU players to "JUST ACCEPT IT" can take their given words and simply "JUST ACCEPT IT".
Server transfers would be great, and would have been done a long time ago. It's not in the game after being released for over 10 years, then it's not going to be released into the game any time soon.
The idea is great, but don't expect a miracle.
Precisely how were EU players "forced" into harshlands?
Now its time to fix all those wrong server choice... We are in 2015 and this game has 7 y/o... EVERY MMOs allow server transfer nowadays and it's not impossible (with the change name stones)0 -
Now its time to fix all those wrong server choice... We are in 2015 and this game has 7 y/o... EVERY MMOs allow server transfer nowadays and it's not impossible (with the change name stones)
1. Not EVERY MMO allows this. In fact, I would say the majority of them do not have this option.
2. IF it were to ever happen, it's a very complex process.0 -
sylenthunder wrote: »2. IF it were to ever happen, it's a very complex process.
An easier way to explain this. Tell people that you have to shift from one residence to another, when that shift happens everything should work without a hitch.
Things to do when moving, the person moving alone has to take care of all this
1) All credit card statements, bills and the like go to new place
2) Inform the work place of address change
3) Inform bank, insurance companies, doctors, every company you interact with that has a financial record with you, that address changed.
4) Inform different level of government that you have changed address, for id cards, voting lists, etc
5) Inform all your friends, family, acquaintances that you have shifted.
6) Inform all long lost people that you have never seen or spoken to over 10+ years that you have moved
7) Any other detail i missed.
If people can do the above with a happy face every 1~4 months, than they can begin to understand the complexity of moving people from one server to another.
For those who missed the connection totally. Residence A = current server (old house), Residence B = server you are moving to (new place).0 -
sylenthunder wrote: »Now its time to fix all those wrong server choice... We are in 2015 and this game has 7 y/o... EVERY MMOs allow server transfer nowadays and it's not impossible (with the change name stones)
1. Not EVERY MMO allows this. In fact, I would say the majority of them do not have this option.
2. IF it were to ever happen, it's a very complex process.
If they can merge harshlands into morai, then moving a player from one server to another would be a tiny grain of the difficulty.
Shouldn't be very complex at all.
The only fitting image for this forum.0 -
You're obviously not very familiar with how the databases are laid out. It's possible, but not nearly as easy as creating a cron job to merge tables and re-write the links. It took them long enough to get that accomplished. They've been talking about finding a way to solve the name database issues and cross-server TW/NW for a very long time.sylenthunder wrote: »Now its time to fix all those wrong server choice... We are in 2015 and this game has 7 y/o... EVERY MMOs allow server transfer nowadays and it's not impossible (with the change name stones)
1. Not EVERY MMO allows this. In fact, I would say the majority of them do not have this option.
2. IF it were to ever happen, it's a very complex process.
If they can merge harshlands into morai, then moving a player from one server to another would be a tiny grain of the difficulty.
Shouldn't be very complex at all.0 -
Talk on being stuck on us server is 1 thing i know all about. Having not much time to spent hours and hours online to rebuild the stuff i made in the last years. I started to play on a US server becauce in 2008 there was no EU Server. Now after the merge ppl complain on being stuck on a EU server. Screaming about the unfair action of PWI. How on those European players who like me build on a char for year, still stuck on that US server? I need to started over because in your eye's I chooce to be on a US server. I only can hope that we get a change to move to anohter server, but I have to say to all those whinning US players on the EU server : Now you know how its feel if all you work for is worthless!0
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sylenthunder wrote: »
They started playing before the EU servers existed. East coast servers were the best option. Before the East coast servers existed, West coast was the only choice.zoner112012 wrote: »
No offense but if you live in EU, you opinion in the matter is a bit biased. Seeing as how you don't have to deal with a completely different time zone. Also you are already used to the different languages and such that are used on the EU server, HL players are not.
Honestly, it's not biased when the EU players who were originally forced into Harshlands had to "JUST ACCEPT IT" from the East Coast server they were at the time being forced to play on. Most of the EU players now in their new server feels everything is justified and the East Coast players who originally told the EU players to "JUST ACCEPT IT" can take their given words and simply "JUST ACCEPT IT".
Server transfers would be great, and would have been done a long time ago. It's not in the game after being released for over 10 years, then it's not going to be released into the game any time soon.
The idea is great, but don't expect a miracle.
Precisely how were EU players "forced" into harshlands?
Pardon me but at that time there were no EU servers and they chose to roll a char on HL knowing it was in an American time zone. The Server time, event times were set prior to them ever spawning a character into it. For those people the server was as it has always been from the day they joined. That is much different than having an entire server of players who have been playing for years with the same server time and the same event times being forced to change to EU times against their will long after they joined.
There is no real valid comparison between the 2 considering that one group of people had a choice prior to ever creating a character on the server while the other group had no choice after having created characters on the server and been playing there for years.0 -
sylenthunder wrote: »
They started playing before the EU servers existed. East coast servers were the best option. Before the East coast servers existed, West coast was the only choice.zoner112012 wrote: »
No offense but if you live in EU, you opinion in the matter is a bit biased. Seeing as how you don't have to deal with a completely different time zone. Also you are already used to the different languages and such that are used on the EU server, HL players are not.
Honestly, it's not biased when the EU players who were originally forced into Harshlands had to "JUST ACCEPT IT" from the East Coast server they were at the time being forced to play on. Most of the EU players now in their new server feels everything is justified and the East Coast players who originally told the EU players to "JUST ACCEPT IT" can take their given words and simply "JUST ACCEPT IT".
Server transfers would be great, and would have been done a long time ago. It's not in the game after being released for over 10 years, then it's not going to be released into the game any time soon.
The idea is great, but don't expect a miracle.
Precisely how were EU players "forced" into harshlands?
Pardon me but at that time there were no EU servers and they chose to roll a char on HL knowing it was in an American time zone. The Server time, event times were set prior to them ever spawning a character into it. For those people the server was as it has always been from the day they joined. That is much different than having an entire server of players who have been playing for years with the same server time and the same event times being forced to change to EU times against their will long after they joined.
There is no real valid comparison between the 2 considering that one group of people had a choice prior to ever creating a character on the server while the other group had no choice after having created characters on the server and been playing there for years.
You still weren't FORCED to play on an east coast server though. That word is not an appropriate one to use. The problem is east coast players that chose that server for that time ARE being forced now to play on EU time. THAT is the proper time to use the word forced. I know several HUGE CSers that are talking about quitting the game due to this. PWE needs to either adjust the time back to east coast time or figure something out to appease them or they ARE going to lose many big time cash shoppers. If they haven't lost a majority of them already.0 -
@sylenthunder I know sorta how the system is setup.
After the merger whats the state of play with the Name Database n Databases?? Do we now have one Name Database?
Its a good question to ask and one which will affect the above...0
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