I apologize for my previous posts in this thread. I was posting when I wasn't in the calmest state of mind. I do try and defend the devs though, but I probably spend more time defending you guys when I talk to the devs. More changes to come.
don't sweat it man. emotions are running high for everyone right now. Just keep communicating with us, we'll do our best to give (constructive) feedback
Looking back, the devs have responded over 30 times this last week to stuff. But it's tough to pick those posts out. @strumslinger Any word on getting a working dev tracker up?
Sure the hobbyists at http://nwo-uncensored.com just set one up. Didn't take them long too and we didn't even have to ask. Working nicely.
don't compare josh to them. Josh set that up within 3 days of vanella along with a readable skin. Plus he has been cataloging bots for forever. Also finds exploits about 100 times faster that people working on this. Plus he posts responses on his forums at a reasonable level. All in his spare time.
I kinda just want them to hire him
To bad they banned him for it huh?
HAHAHAHAHAHA.Just familiarized myself with this. Just when I thought they hit rock bottom they suprise me and go below
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tripsofthrymrMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,624Community Moderator
I apologize for my previous posts in this thread. I was posting when I wasn't in the calmest state of mind. I do try and defend the devs though, but I probably spend more time defending you guys when I talk to the devs. More changes to come.
Try my foundry
Cryptic of Kelemvor
to blow off some steam on the topic. It pokes fun at the current issues in a light-hearted manner.
I agree that all MMOs have many more posts about problems and angry players than happy ones. And I don't think that'll ever change. Not because a MMO forum has many complaining posts it means it's a bad game. That being said, this is one of the MMOs where I've seen the least work to fix player reported bugs. Many people have been reporting these for years and they are still here. foundry bugs, botting, etc. It's discouraging that even if we try to help by reporting bots or bugs, nothing will be done about it.
Case in original point. I try and explain the devs' side of this and get insulted into oblivion.
Like I said though, at the end of the day, the devs do look at the forums pretty often, but to expect them (and me) to respond to every topic is unrealistic. We're people, too. We have lives.
My dogs (in real life) on a daily basis do good things and they do bad things. If I were to not react at all to both, they would not learn how to act acceptably. As a dev or mod, one must reward good posts on the forums, even if it is a "interesting thought, will pass it on". I am all for bad posts being ignored or outright deleted.
I am sounding like a broken record here, but for the Nth time I am a new player in NW (but not MMOs and NWN). This is one of the only big name games (I mean, look it has the rights to use the D&D logo and such) that is completely devoid of a developer roadmap. If this were a buy-once-cry-once game this would not be so much of an issue. You got what you bought. However this is a F2P and advertised as not P2W. When people like myself plop down hard earned real life cash, we'd like to see at the very least communication about major changes.
From my very short time in game, I have heard things like 9 dungeons being removed, never to be seen again. Bugs persisting for multiple modules. Bad enough on their own, but lacking communication about them multiplies them to a great degree. You wonder why your player base for the most part cannot post a reasonable thought?
In any event, start to reward decent ideas and posts with at least acknowledgement that would train posters what works and what doesn't work, or suffer the hordes of flames. You cannot blame your dogs for being horribly untrained. There are no bad dogs. Just bad dog owners.
edit: Except pit bulls. There are no good pit bulls.
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theycallmetomuMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,861Arc User
Strumslinger apologizing for his comments is a conspiracy. See, when he admits a mistake like that, it humanizes him, and then we're all like "hey man, you deserve hazard pay." It's all part of his evil plan to make us pity him for having a stressful job where mistakes can cost (digital) lives!!!!
Maybe. Yeah, he's goin' all Keikaku doori on us here.
I don't think players expect the devs to respond to every post/suggestion/complaint. There are only a handful of really serious problems (those affecting the majority of players) that players are speaking to, and those are the ones that warrant consistent communication from the devs. AD Changes to Leadership ADsink / cost changes Removal and Restoration of Dungeons Changes to chest loot and other loot tables
You'll notice all these things share the same underlying tone: Character Progression. If you make significant changes to character progression (and Neverwinter has seen the most drastic of any MMO ever, IMHO) you can expect some significant repercussions, good or bad.
What the players of Neverwinter are asking for is simple, clear, and fairly consistent communication concerning these changes. When, why, how. Listen to player feedback. Wait a few days, at the most, and then respond to the feedback. Rinse and repeat.
This doesn't require a lot of time, or a lot of staff. The CMs and Moderators do the best they can, I think. They have my thanks and sympathy. However, were I in there shoes, I'd spend more time putting pressure on the Devs to provide better and more consistent communication on these important issues, and less time policing the very threads that beg for more communication.
Now, taking the example of Tera someone else posted, Tera does some things better than NW, and some other things horribly worse, like for instance, ALL new classes released after the expansion have been locked to female only. why? simple because most people in that game play with females. But those of us who don't have been ignored for quite some while and many of us got bored of that too. Neverwinter has more bugs and problems with balance, but at least it considers all its players for new classes and races. and I'm glad they do
Strumslinger apologizing for his comments is a conspiracy. See, when he admits a mistake like that, it humanizes him, and then we're all like "hey man, you deserve hazard pay." It's all part of his evil plan to make us pity him for having a stressful job where mistakes can cost (digital) lives!!!!
Maybe. Yeah, he's goin' all Keikaku doori on us here.
Shhhhhh, don't tell. >:)
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theycallmetomuMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,861Arc User
You should totally go see zerg's latest thread about wishes, and say "Oh hey, I like this idea, I'll bring it up to the devs."
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inyawayupdeepMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 206Arc User
Ok for a fair and balanced PVP experience why not pull a page out of Dragonlance each player selects a dragon to ride/fly in an epoch battle and a Lance to use all players normal gear, enchants, ability scores are totally even.
I apologize for my previous posts in this thread. I was posting when I wasn't in the calmest state of mind. I do try and defend the devs though, but I probably spend more time defending you guys when I talk to the devs. More changes to come.
Thank you. Good to hear there is more changes coming hopefully they are positive .
There are more than BIS players in this game RIP Real Tiamat, RIP Real Demogorgon RIP real Temple of the spider. Why remove non bis content to give to bis players ???? FORCING the majority of your player base to play 4 mod old dungeons and trial will have a bad result on player base Changes are getting so bad i would rather prefer no new changes (RIP ICE FISHING in winter fest)
I apologize for my previous posts in this thread. I was posting when I wasn't in the calmest state of mind. I do try and defend the devs though, but I probably spend more time defending you guys when I talk to the devs. More changes to come.
Thats the spiderman spirit. Only with great honour you can write such post. Congratulation and we all know that you try your best to help the players. Swing well, my friend.
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
I apologize for my previous posts in this thread. I was posting when I wasn't in the calmest state of mind. I do try and defend the devs though, but I probably spend more time defending you guys when I talk to the devs. More changes to come.
thanks, you are the only one who can make a difference
I apologize for my previous posts in this thread. I was posting when I wasn't in the calmest state of mind. I do try and defend the devs though, but I probably spend more time defending you guys when I talk to the devs. More changes to come.
Ah, I've worked out what it is - you did actually start playing an SW. It's my fault, I should have advised you that the class comes with a general health warning.
I find the best way is to mix the SW game play with something like a CW or a GWF. This gives you a more balanced game perspective and is less hazardous to your mental well being.
...............vote for your favourite expansion.......... "Mod 6. Oh my f****** god. It gutted the game pure and simple. And what wasn't gutted was messed up by the poorly thought out new level cap and equip. The game never recovered from that atrocity". ..............not this one then.............
no they are just ignoring it until it gets forgotten. and trust me in 6 days it will be forgotten on the 29th. mark your calendar.
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instynctiveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,885Arc User
I'm overall pleased with the current community management we have here... there is a ton more communication from our mods and Strum than I've ever seen in the past... not to mention the devs are a ton more active as well.
Andy is right about the insults though... when something changes and forum members don't like that chance, he bears the brunt of it, as community manager. As do the mods. It's pretty unfair to them, really... but I suspect nerdrage is a universal thing across all the forums for all the games.
I'm not always constructive with my feedback (especially in regards to the Foundry), so yeah, I understand the rage. I, too, am human.
But I have to believe that the devs *are* listening to us. I have to believe that Andy *is* advocating for the players to the devs. Unfortunately, while we provide the funds, we don't sign the devs' paychecks, and they have to listen to whoever is signing their paychecks, for better or worse. This would be a much different game if the devs were given carte blanche to build, fix, and create... but at the end of the day, they, too, must listen to their masters.
That's the simple truth of being employed these days.
So yes.. the game is still riddled with old bugs that are being compounded by new bugs. Yes, we're overrun with botters and exploiters. Yes, the content has grown stale and stagnant. Yes, every level 70 character out there has been through the campaign areas hundreds upon thousands of times, especially if they were level 60 before Mod 6. How many times do we have to kill Tiamat, or Celadaine, or any of the big Elemental bosses before they are truly dead?
Most likely hundreds upon thousands more times.
Sadly, I was very much looking forward to the Stronghold, but that's turned into another grind. There was a great deal of disappointment when it went live... required resources for upgrading/building all had a zero tacked onto the end of pretty much every number. And sadly, it has turned into more grind.
Yes, players deserve more and better content. More chance to explore. More chance to be an "adventurer", instead of being someone's errandboy.
The solution to this, of course, is to fix the Foundry. In doing so, there will be more dungeons to run, more adventuring and exploring. Yes, there will still be "turkeys" and exploits, but that's already happening with the professionals building things. Unfortunately, the only way to get players to play Foundries is by offering up substantial rewards, otherwise most are content to continue to grind the same old content for AD or RP or whatever else you'd like to add to that alphabet soup.
But let's be realistic for a moment.. there are a finite number of devs and a finite number of hours in the day. It would be impossible for them to fix all the bugs/glitches/exploits AND combat bots AND balance all the classes AND come up with a regular stream of fresh and new content AND hang out on the forums all day, answering our demands.
When it comes right down to it, screaming at the devs serves no purpose. Screaming at Andy and the mod team serves no purpose. If everyone could just take it down a notch, lose the constant barrage of negativity and ultimatums, not only would the community be a much better place, but there just might be a faster turn-around on fixes and content.
I'm overall pleased with the current community management we have here
... [snip snap] ...
When it comes right down to it, screaming at the devs serves no purpose. Screaming at Andy and the mod team serves no purpose. If everyone could just take it down a notch, lose the constant barrage of negativity and ultimatums, not only would the community be a much better place, but there just might be a faster turn-around on fixes and content.
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Just when I thought they hit rock bottom they suprise me and go below
Cryptic of Kelemvor
to blow off some steam on the topic. It pokes fun at the current issues in a light-hearted manner.
Sci-fi author: The Gods We Make, The Gods We Seek, and Ji-min
That being said, this is one of the MMOs where I've seen the least work to fix player reported bugs. Many people have been reporting these for years and they are still here. foundry bugs, botting, etc. It's discouraging that even if we try to help by reporting bots or bugs, nothing will be done about it.
I am sounding like a broken record here, but for the Nth time I am a new player in NW (but not MMOs and NWN). This is one of the only big name games (I mean, look it has the rights to use the D&D logo and such) that is completely devoid of a developer roadmap. If this were a buy-once-cry-once game this would not be so much of an issue. You got what you bought. However this is a F2P and advertised as not P2W. When people like myself plop down hard earned real life cash, we'd like to see at the very least communication about major changes.
From my very short time in game, I have heard things like 9 dungeons being removed, never to be seen again. Bugs persisting for multiple modules. Bad enough on their own, but lacking communication about them multiplies them to a great degree. You wonder why your player base for the most part cannot post a reasonable thought?
In any event, start to reward decent ideas and posts with at least acknowledgement that would train posters what works and what doesn't work, or suffer the hordes of flames. You cannot blame your dogs for being horribly untrained. There are no bad dogs. Just bad dog owners.
edit: Except pit bulls. There are no good pit bulls.
Maybe. Yeah, he's goin' all Keikaku doori on us here.
AD Changes to Leadership
ADsink / cost changes
Removal and Restoration of Dungeons
Changes to chest loot and other loot tables
You'll notice all these things share the same underlying tone: Character Progression. If you make significant changes to character progression (and Neverwinter has seen the most drastic of any MMO ever, IMHO) you can expect some significant repercussions, good or bad.
What the players of Neverwinter are asking for is simple, clear, and fairly consistent communication concerning these changes. When, why, how. Listen to player feedback. Wait a few days, at the most, and then respond to the feedback. Rinse and repeat.
This doesn't require a lot of time, or a lot of staff. The CMs and Moderators do the best they can, I think. They have my thanks and sympathy.
However, were I in there shoes, I'd spend more time putting pressure on the Devs to provide better and more consistent communication on these important issues, and less time policing the very threads that beg for more communication.
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Neverwinter has more bugs and problems with balance, but at least it considers all its players for new classes and races. and I'm glad they do
Call me Andy (or Strum, or Spider-Man)!
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RIP Real Tiamat, RIP Real Demogorgon RIP real Temple of the spider. Why remove non bis content to give to bis players ????
FORCING the majority of your player base to play 4 mod old dungeons and trial will have a bad result on player base
Changes are getting so bad i would rather prefer no new changes (RIP ICE FISHING in winter fest)
It's my fault, I should have advised you that the class comes with a general health warning.
I find the best way is to mix the SW game play with something like a CW or a GWF. This gives you a more balanced game perspective and is less hazardous to your mental well being.
"Mod 6. Oh my f****** god. It gutted the game pure and simple. And what wasn't gutted was messed up by the poorly thought out new level cap and equip. The game never recovered from that atrocity".
..............not this one then.............
Andy is right about the insults though... when something changes and forum members don't like that chance, he bears the brunt of it, as community manager. As do the mods. It's pretty unfair to them, really... but I suspect nerdrage is a universal thing across all the forums for all the games.
I'm not always constructive with my feedback (especially in regards to the Foundry), so yeah, I understand the rage. I, too, am human.
But I have to believe that the devs *are* listening to us. I have to believe that Andy *is* advocating for the players to the devs. Unfortunately, while we provide the funds, we don't sign the devs' paychecks, and they have to listen to whoever is signing their paychecks, for better or worse. This would be a much different game if the devs were given carte blanche to build, fix, and create... but at the end of the day, they, too, must listen to their masters.
That's the simple truth of being employed these days.
So yes.. the game is still riddled with old bugs that are being compounded by new bugs. Yes, we're overrun with botters and exploiters. Yes, the content has grown stale and stagnant. Yes, every level 70 character out there has been through the campaign areas hundreds upon thousands of times, especially if they were level 60 before Mod 6. How many times do we have to kill Tiamat, or Celadaine, or any of the big Elemental bosses before they are truly dead?
Most likely hundreds upon thousands more times.
Sadly, I was very much looking forward to the Stronghold, but that's turned into another grind. There was a great deal of disappointment when it went live... required resources for upgrading/building all had a zero tacked onto the end of pretty much every number. And sadly, it has turned into more grind.
Yes, players deserve more and better content. More chance to explore. More chance to be an "adventurer", instead of being someone's errandboy.
The solution to this, of course, is to fix the Foundry. In doing so, there will be more dungeons to run, more adventuring and exploring. Yes, there will still be "turkeys" and exploits, but that's already happening with the professionals building things. Unfortunately, the only way to get players to play Foundries is by offering up substantial rewards, otherwise most are content to continue to grind the same old content for AD or RP or whatever else you'd like to add to that alphabet soup.
But let's be realistic for a moment.. there are a finite number of devs and a finite number of hours in the day. It would be impossible for them to fix all the bugs/glitches/exploits AND combat bots AND balance all the classes AND come up with a regular stream of fresh and new content AND hang out on the forums all day, answering our demands.
When it comes right down to it, screaming at the devs serves no purpose. Screaming at Andy and the mod team serves no purpose. If everyone could just take it down a notch, lose the constant barrage of negativity and ultimatums, not only would the community be a much better place, but there just might be a faster turn-around on fixes and content.
*shrug*
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"ZAP!", "BAM!", "KA-POW!"
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So, I've read patch notes - no fixes at all.
More, try to join SH pvp now.
Disconnected and can't log my character.
GG
.Suicide Squad.
I've been the human bullseye for when our platform `under-performs` but nothing like this.
Bad spot to be in.