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A fair fight

defiantone99defiantone99 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 6,634 Arc User
edited June 2015 in PvP Discussion
So I know it seems complicated, and we are told it can't be done. But, how many of you would wait in queue for an Item level tiered match? I would. No one feels accomplished going up against new players and winning 1000-0 or losing to a BIS team 0-1000 and sitting at the fire roasting marshmallows waiting for the pain to end. So I say we need fairness, a fair fight, a real chance to feel like champions and heroes of Neverwinter. How many agree? Sorry, wrong forum section.lol
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  • mrsmcsmithymrsmcsmithy Member Posts: 43
    edited June 2015
    I think you are in the minority then , a while ago the matchmaking system was much stricter when matching teams up and it got to the point where it was taking a hour or more for the queue to pop which led to many many threads on here complaining about the system.
  • mconosrepmconosrep Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Would be great but:

    (i) There are not enough people remaining to do decent matchmaking.

    (ii) This idea runs contrary to the idea of having refinable equipment which gives an incentive for whales to pay real money to get the RP quickly.

    So at present (and I assume for the foreseeable future) if relatively fair fights are what you are hoping for, your only choice is to play other larger MMOs that have ELO-tiered systems.
  • bigredbrentbigredbrent Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    They could at least allow dueling anywhere you want. That would not be difficult to implement. If you don't want to get requests to duel someone, then they could easily add an option to automatically decline those requests.
  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Itemlvl doesnt mean much and trust me people would cheat with specific itemlvl items that give more power than others despite having the same itemlv.
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  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    defiantone99 wrote: »
    True tiering wouldn't solve cheating, but look at it now. I have the cloak, rings, and banner; seems getting the title is impossible with the current matchmaking for non-BIS players now. I am proposing a better chance for that

    It's possible depends on which class you play and how long you can play + ofc luck factor. I still get pretty balanced matches once in a while.
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  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    ...bigger problem currently is getting your IwD-PvP act together, I suppose...
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    quspiv wrote: »
    Itemlvl doesnt mean much and trust me people would cheat with specific itemlvl items that give more power than others despite having the same itemlv.

    Item level is worse than gear score.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
  • baewulfbaewulf Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    A truly balanced PvP would have everyone wearing equal quality gear upon entry. Thus PvP would be (as it should be) a matter of payer skill..NOT the gear you're wearing. And other games have proven how very easy it is to implement that.
  • benskix2benskix2 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 674 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    If I could tab out and do something else, and then when the queue was accepted it popped me back in like in Starcraft 2 I would wait, but since you can't tab out or you miss the queue popping up 15 minutes or so is my limit before I just give up, alt-f4, and play something else.
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  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Geez... keep going... you will get better and so will the matches... don't quit

    Urlord
  • ghoulz66ghoulz66 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,748 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    urlord283 wrote: »
    Geez... keep going... you will get better and so will the matches... don't quit

    Urlord

    Don't stop wailing on the GWF, that you do 10 damage to.... You'll win eventually....
  • smellykuntismellykunti Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    urlord283 wrote: »
    Geez... keep going... you will get better and so will the matches... don't quit

    Urlord

    The matches will get better only when more people play and the matchmaking system can actually match up comparable people. right now its a crapshoot, with the odds of getting a one sided fight are much higher than the odds of getting a evenly matched contest.
  • flupperyfluppery Member Posts: 147 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    defiantone99 wrote: »
    So I know it seems complicated, and we are told it can't be done. But, how many of you would wait in queue for an Item level tiered match? I would. No one feels accomplished going up against new players and winning 1000-0 or losing to a BIS team 0-1000 and sitting at the fire roasting marshmallows waiting for the pain to end. So I say we need fairness, a fair fight, a real chance to feel like champions and heroes of Neverwinter. How many agree? Sorry, wrong forum section.lol

    With the upcoming pvp mod, domination que population may increase enough to make matchmaking functional.
  • misharonamisharona Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    urlord283 wrote: »
    Geez... keep going... you will get better and so will the matches... don't quit

    Urlord

    That's my experience. Even if I'm on the team that get's crushed, it still affords me the opportunity to improve and learn.

    fluppery wrote: »
    With the upcoming pvp mod, domination que population may increase enough to make matchmaking functional.

    That is my biggest hope for Strongholds. As well as a couple really decent new battlegrounds. New pvp content "could/should" generate new interest in pvp.
  • thedemienthedemien Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I don't think it would be too hard to make 2 system - general pvp q and strict q.

    In general 2nd one can be as simple as just more bracketed version of general. It would still be better matching.

    Let people have both by choice.

    I hope there will be some difference with strongholds. At least I'd like to see in-guild pvp sessions or guild vs guild events, stronghold vs stronghold events.

    My real main concern is 'arm pen' balancing and general HAMSTER class balance. You won't see fair pvp fight until you got to some state of balance and with current stupid changes it is fairly impossible.
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    i chose the balanced queue by sure, and wait for 30min for one game, you can easily farm, what this game is mostly about, until the queue pops up
    all these matches with imbalanced teames are a waste in every aspect, even if you win the match
    mostly the mix of rank 8 with rank 12 leeds in blind yelling and insulting between the teammembers
  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I say this a lot ... and one more time.

    Today as all days

    I fought 4 times and like most days I won two and one that I lost was close

    The other... not so much

    Many were lost couse folks quit or fought just to kill the other team and not capture points

    My point is it is not as broken as many say

    Urlord
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    @urlord
    depends on the time you queue but getting mixed with Blue geared "zero-tenacity-newbies" and next match with "T-negated and T feytouched Near-Bis-PVP-Monster" just makes no sense to me.

    I really would like to avoid those matches in advance, just to not take part in the following trash talk some heavy geared player start lots of times, missing any solid sense about the reasons of being "lonely at node 2" and bashing all teammates through the hole game

    So to be clear in words: I would be very happy to take part in this game --> without these blind maniacs.
  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I just played 4 G PVPs and all were lost by a big margin.... but

    All has at least 2 people leave in my party

    How do you recover from that?

    If they stay they at least spread out the damage.

    I believe the leaver penalty should be progressive

    1st time a day 1 hour

    second time, 2 hours

    3rd time, 3 hours

    There must be a way to see if there was a server disconnect... then 30 min... to let the server stabilize

    Urlord
  • misharonamisharona Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    urlord283 wrote: »
    I believe the leaver penalty should be progressive

    1st time a day 1 hour

    second time, 2 hours

    3rd time, 3 hours

    There must be a way to see if there was a server disconnect... then 30 min... to let the server stabilize

    Urlord

    I agree but would actually like to see "Harsher Sentences" for the guilty parties. Obviously, disconnects should be excluded from penalties.
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