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The proper CW wizard build, is the build that feels right to you.
opalsuns
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The perfect build is the one that fits your play style, it's that simple.
I am went the MOF route and finding it extremely enjoyable.
After having put 500 hours into the game so far and countless readings of various CW builds and two respecs I finally realized that with all the various info out there on the web for the best build of your CW, there really isn't just one at least for me that is the perfect build. I still encourage you to read everything you can find online from some of the seasoned vets based on the various builds, but I suggest only picking the parts out that cater to how you want to play your CW and experimenting around with it until you find that sweet spot.
For me it was not going full control or full DPS glass, it was a combo of both that I found worked best.
I am finally at the point were my CW has the ability to multi task depending on the group I am running with since members of my guild are not always available to form a full party and that means picking up randoms which we all know can either go really well, just OK, or a complete disaster.
My build is based on balance and combining a little bit of the best of each build so I can focus on control, tanking, or straight DPS.
What is obvious after playing for many hours is that the CW does have to swap out more then others what powers they plan to go in with depending on how they are running and where. Each area the game offers unique encounters and some powers work best on others, while some can have you hurting without the proper selection which IMO makes playing the CW a very rewarding and exciting class to play since there is a lot of strategy involved if you want to play it correctly IMO, and this makes the CW one of the most valuable classes in the game through out from start to end game.
If you are someone who just wants to mash a button and kill, this is not the right class for you. You will be using the full range of the controller at all times during most encounters during the dungeons and you could be the deciding factor between your party succeeding or failing depending on how you strategize your set up.
For instance early in the game I was using a lot of Entangling Force, Ice Storm and Repel. While this combo helped to keep me alive in dire situations as I was ranking up, it became clear that using these were hurting my party, making the dungeons harder to clear, and not helping my team.
The research began and I started to read more and more about the CW. Now I use Icy Terrain and Steal Time as my go to with Furious Immolation (IMO works better then Singularity and Oppressive Force) which is the opposite of what the original combo was doing by pushing away. Now I am pulling the mobs in and actually "controlling", and occasionally tanking if we don't have one for CN runs. This set up of course helps produce more DPS for everyone, doesn't mess up the AOEs for the rest of the party since it pulls the mobs into a nice tight package of death, and makes you a very desirable addition to whatever party you're running with meaning you won't get kicked as much as more people start to recognize your name when you que in for randoms.
That being said, in PVP I switch out to use Repel and Entangling Force which is perfect for single encounters.
I want to go into more detail on my actual build with gear, stats, what enchantments I use and companions (Stone of Allure or the Cat if you can afford is the must haves), but I am gonna save that for a much larger thread to go into specific details about my personal build that I like.
The bottom line and point is, just because it's written doesn't make it the final word. It comes down to this philosophy for being successful in this game and creating a build that feels right for you to make you a valuable asset to any party:
*Do your research on various builds
*Create a list of what attributes stand out from those builds that you like
*Do not be afraid to experiment to find that proper balance
*Try your CW with the team in mind and not yourself
Remember that this is a team based game and no one wants to play with a selfish player, a control wizard is not a class for a selfish class IMO and not geared towards someone who wants to be straight DPS since you will be wasting your real potential.
I am went the MOF route and finding it extremely enjoyable.
After having put 500 hours into the game so far and countless readings of various CW builds and two respecs I finally realized that with all the various info out there on the web for the best build of your CW, there really isn't just one at least for me that is the perfect build. I still encourage you to read everything you can find online from some of the seasoned vets based on the various builds, but I suggest only picking the parts out that cater to how you want to play your CW and experimenting around with it until you find that sweet spot.
For me it was not going full control or full DPS glass, it was a combo of both that I found worked best.
I am finally at the point were my CW has the ability to multi task depending on the group I am running with since members of my guild are not always available to form a full party and that means picking up randoms which we all know can either go really well, just OK, or a complete disaster.
My build is based on balance and combining a little bit of the best of each build so I can focus on control, tanking, or straight DPS.
What is obvious after playing for many hours is that the CW does have to swap out more then others what powers they plan to go in with depending on how they are running and where. Each area the game offers unique encounters and some powers work best on others, while some can have you hurting without the proper selection which IMO makes playing the CW a very rewarding and exciting class to play since there is a lot of strategy involved if you want to play it correctly IMO, and this makes the CW one of the most valuable classes in the game through out from start to end game.
If you are someone who just wants to mash a button and kill, this is not the right class for you. You will be using the full range of the controller at all times during most encounters during the dungeons and you could be the deciding factor between your party succeeding or failing depending on how you strategize your set up.
For instance early in the game I was using a lot of Entangling Force, Ice Storm and Repel. While this combo helped to keep me alive in dire situations as I was ranking up, it became clear that using these were hurting my party, making the dungeons harder to clear, and not helping my team.
The research began and I started to read more and more about the CW. Now I use Icy Terrain and Steal Time as my go to with Furious Immolation (IMO works better then Singularity and Oppressive Force) which is the opposite of what the original combo was doing by pushing away. Now I am pulling the mobs in and actually "controlling", and occasionally tanking if we don't have one for CN runs. This set up of course helps produce more DPS for everyone, doesn't mess up the AOEs for the rest of the party since it pulls the mobs into a nice tight package of death, and makes you a very desirable addition to whatever party you're running with meaning you won't get kicked as much as more people start to recognize your name when you que in for randoms.
That being said, in PVP I switch out to use Repel and Entangling Force which is perfect for single encounters.
I want to go into more detail on my actual build with gear, stats, what enchantments I use and companions (Stone of Allure or the Cat if you can afford is the must haves), but I am gonna save that for a much larger thread to go into specific details about my personal build that I like.
The bottom line and point is, just because it's written doesn't make it the final word. It comes down to this philosophy for being successful in this game and creating a build that feels right for you to make you a valuable asset to any party:
*Do your research on various builds
*Create a list of what attributes stand out from those builds that you like
*Do not be afraid to experiment to find that proper balance
*Try your CW with the team in mind and not yourself
Remember that this is a team based game and no one wants to play with a selfish player, a control wizard is not a class for a selfish class IMO and not geared towards someone who wants to be straight DPS since you will be wasting your real potential.
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Amen! I wanted to try something different from the SpellStorm majority. SS = Domination... so naturally, I went Renegate MoF and haven't looked back! I don't feel weaker and in a group, we all feel like freaking heroes.
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High Vizer Set.. makes those without maxed our armor pen.. do a lot more damage
Chaos Magic.. heals in pugs, 30% damage for 10 seconds? Armor pen and lifesteal for 10 seconds? Always up... I am not 100% sure how this works but I have had all 3 proc at the same time...
Icy Terrain and Steal Time. AOE and control...
With 50% crit, storm spell is always procing and i'm usually 2nd in damage in real groups... almost always first in pugs..
Its all about the group.. Buffing their damage and debuffing enemies makes stuff melt, just plain deleting mobs..
I run a similar setup. Not a fan of Steal Time, though I do see it's use. I freeze and then burn everything. I get smolder from that and extra because of crits. Rogues hate me, because I dish out as fast as they can, but I do more AoE.
Current Setup:
AW- Chilling Cloud and Scorching Burst
EN- CoI (RB), Fanning the Flame (Y), Icy Terrain (B, and Icy Rays (X)
DA- Furious Immolation (LB+Y), Ice Knife/Storm (LB+X)
FE- Swath of Destruction and Critical Conflagration
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Steal Time is great for proccing the HV set bonus in PVE which I'd say is a great reason to keep it on your bar. The CC and decent damage are icing on the cake given that fact. Just personal preference of course.
I think that's one reason why I love playing a CW over other classes. There are so many different ways to play them and even though there are some builds that are better to most you can still do just fine with all sorts of combinations.
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We are running the same setup at the moment except for my Steal Time instead of your Icy Rays. Seems to be working ok for me, just need to get my GS up and try some T2's without getting kicked to get the HV stuff, saving up the AD for a cat then I think I will be sorted.
Hey evil: I will check out the set bonus for HV. I have two pieces, so I am close to using that 4 bonus. And I agree, there are so many ways to play a CW and it still be unique. Too much fun doing 11 mil DPS in Spider Temple, and watch the Rogue and Warlocks barely hit 10 mil and drop their tongues. :cool:
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My crew and I discovered that we no longer need to find a GF for dungeons. Once i start smolder rolling I can aggro every enemy on the map during boss fights and just kite them around while my buddies burn down the boss. Works like a charm. Just ran spell plague and the rest of the team had no adds to deal with while they smashed the aboleth. Racked 17 mil damage, a million more than 2nd place and 9 million more than 3rd.
Current powers-
AW
Chilling cloud, ray of frost
Daily
Furious immolation, ice knife
Features
Critical conflagration, swath of destruction
Encounters
Shard, icy terrain, COI (RB) Entangling force. I know people are down on EF. Very situational, but when a Hulk sucks the team in and you choke him and the team can wail on him it's sweet. Works great.
The rotation...
Shard the group, jump in and slam icy terrain and jump back, EF the biggest threat and COI him.
Watch the pretty red numbers dance over all the enemies heads as they burn and freeze. Sit down and watch them die from DoTs.
Did i mention I love my MoF CW?
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BEST CW IN GAME 17.8K CONTROL WIZARD SPELLSTORM RENEGADE REAL STATS
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For pve high vizier helps those WITH max armor penetration more than those w/o.
From kaelac's-guide-to-damage-tenacity-reisistance-and-debuffs-in-neverwinter/
"Equation 3.2 Debuff calculation for High Vizier
Somehow High Vizier gets away with only 1 debuff multiplier,
Effective HV debuff magnitude (%) = no. of stacks * base debuff magnitude * (1+ attacker RI% - enemy DR %)
What this means is the benefit the attacker gains from debuffs (either those placed by you or those placed by someone else) is directly proportional to the attacker's own RI%. If an enemy is debuffed with High Prophet and/or Plague fire/ Terror their effect will be up to 24% weaker for somebody without RI % (converts to about 5-6% debuff overall). This is a major reason for stacking ArP. "
IMHO all control wizards should be wearing high vizier armor as that 30% debuff (with 3 stacks) can be reapplied very fast and is amazing
Now as for steal time the speed boost you are describing *only* happens when it is slotted into the mastery slot. I found the same thing (it was annoying those I played with) so I moved it out and haven't missed it at all. Much more predictable for the group if it is *not* in mastery. Steal time itself appears to apply 3 stacks of the high vizier debuff to enemies right now making it fantastic for everything (bosses and tiamat heads included).
Ok, I feel dumb now. I have never slotted steal time in mastery and didn't realize it caused teammates to have super speed. Good to know that it doesn't always help teammates. I was seriously considering adding steal time to the mastery slot, but now I don't think so.
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LOVE TAKING CHALLENGES COME FIND ME IN I.W.D.
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STREAMING NEVERWINTER DAILY 7:00PM -2:00AM TWITCH ID: MHHAVOC
LOVE TAKING CHALLENGES COME FIND ME IN I.W.D.