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ZEN - zero available on market ?
nonamedamn
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Is it just me or there is no more zen to buy ingame on the zen market ?
And i mean since days and weeks... nothing, no zen available to buy.
Is it that bad situation that no one is selling zen anymore ? Or buying with real $$$ ?
Its a display-bug or what ?
Cant believe how zero is the available zen !
And i mean since days and weeks... nothing, no zen available to buy.
Is it that bad situation that no one is selling zen anymore ? Or buying with real $$$ ?
Its a display-bug or what ?
Cant believe how zero is the available zen !
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It would be pretty silly to buy a bunch of zen to sell, then get soaked because no one will buy due to a dead game.
B.... There is zero reason for must of us to EVER sell zen, if they just removed the ability to post ANYTHING to the AH, many of us would just buy what we wanted, and never sell anything. The return of AD for zen sold has always been way , WAY to low. Its a artificial cap, my money is worth way more then your digital currency. Just because the game company says its not, doesn't mean its not. In fact the ONLY time I even put stuff in the AH is when I get a coupon , at least 20%.. though 25 or 50% is better, otherwise, again not worth my time to post.
Only because I found some stuff in the AH that I actually want - which is becoming rare. And this is the problem; Zen is more valuable than AD right now (and has been for a long time) so more people want to buy Zen with AD than the other way around.
It is just you because in over a year, 90% of the time, this is the situation. More people wants to exchange AD to Zen than to exchange Zen to AD.
The rule of thumb is wait one day for your Zen for every million in orders at 500 AD/Zen. So a day or so right now.
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Obvious demand boosters like the 2x RP WE or discounts like the recent "15% extra ZEN" flush it fast, be that due to withdrawal of buy orders, due to people spending hoarded ZEN, or due to people buying ZEN I know not. Probably a good chunk of each. After that it most often starts to slowly climb again.
Depends what you mean by free. The game as been advertised as fully free to play meaning that anything in the game can be obtained without paying real cash, and this has been reiterated many times by cryptic/pwe. As some items can only be obtained from the zen market, there has to be a mechanism to allow ftp players to obtain zen. ie, to get free zen.
I think I had set the price at about 400-450
I don't think I will bother for awhile
LOL. If no zen in direct sell, price is 500 ad for 1 zen. Nobody will sell you something at 400-450 when he can sell 500, in theory...
If you want to buy zen :
Make an offer at 500ad /1 zen, and be patient ( between 1 day and 1 week ). No other choice.
When there are zens in direct sell (during events like Sublix2, Solstices..), price can be down to 480-499 ad/1 zen.
Since mod 3, the price never fell below 470, i think.
We should wait, but it works, it stay a pay2fast but free2play game.
If you want to sell zens :
Sell at 500/1, is instantly sold if no zen in direct sell ( millions zens on demand ).
AngrySprite and I have been on the same page regarding this for a long, long time now.
There's always Zen and AD being transferred back and forth. Problem is AD is not very valuable to players and in much higher quantity so the exchange tends to remain empty due to the 500 AD : Zen cap. It ends up being an order queue rather than a bid...which is good for free to play players as it puts a minimum value on their time (AD = Time = Money) although it would be beyond ideal for Cryptic to try to balance the shop to not be so one sided.
and it is..
ALL content is free to access, the zen mark only gives advantages in certain areas, there is no need for you to buy it, so its neither misleading or erroneous.
They are VERY generous in allowing the zen exchange at all imo.
and.. trust me, I am no fan boy. They have heard my share of critiques and criticisms throughout the years.
and.. so have I. It has no place.. if they floated, it would be a huge sell off at first.. probably spiking at 3-4k ad.. but it would settle down in the 1-2 range most of the time.
This is a much better value add for people who want to buy thier way into the game and not spend 3000.00 which is ridiculous amount.. IT would also be much more competitive against black market prices if you could get a vast amount of AD for a better value then what is currently listed.
The people hoarding AD can convert it to zen and some of us who could use more AD can garner it.
I think it could benefit lots of people. But at the paltry 500 per.. Im never going to list AD, I never have and I never will.. the most benefit you will see from me is a few purchased items (did a stone once, a few lesser bonding, a few dyes and the like.. WHEN i get a coupon, as even that conversion rate doesnt thrill me)
If we knew in advance like 3 months, I would stock up on zen to sell.. win/win for everyone..
However, most the things I want to do with Zen .. involves buying things with Zen. I haven't exchanged for AD in a long time.
It's first of all a safety measure against market manipulation. Also adds to the convenience of the cash-4-ZEN buyers - always ready to be served.
And you might or might not notice it, but Cryptic has ways to manipulate the amount of AD and ZEN in the market (rare LS tasks e.g.), and IMHO they do use these. After more than a year of douing LS to get my AD I think I can maintain that now: When there's no or low backlog, e.g. Protect Diamond Shipment pops up more often than when there's an eight digit backlog... ...and when ZEN prices fall below the 500 mark (or the ZEN purchase income is too low), they put out some cool deal...
Your first bit has nothing to do with convenience for cash payers. Cash payers could and would get more than 500 ad per Zen. If they really wanted to cater to cash payers they would remove the limit. That limit is there to protect the value of AD for non-cash paying players. No ifs, ands or buts.
And the second bit is just looking for patterns where there is none.
Basically, what will kill the economy in this game eventually is that Cryptic keeps strangling the returns on time/labor as a way to reduce the returns for bots. You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain a queue.
I think that Cryptic here does what every nation's Federal/Republic's/National/Royal Reserve/Bank/Mint does: The increase or decrease of the currency circulation volume to stabilize the economy. No foul wide and far.
And re "*** hoc ergo propter hoc": a) it's always there when there's 2x RP WE, and b) normally I get 2-3 PDS per 20char rota, rarely 4, even rarer only 1, and the 5th is sonething like a once in a quarter event - outside those event weekends. On the recent 2xRP I got 5-8 PDS tasks five times in a row, the ones before were accompanied by less marked frequency raises. Peaks of that size are really difficult to explain away.
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Well, one thing. Blizzard managed to push out the bot out of the market with their recent ban wave. Cryptic could do the same, too. The very same company makes that nasty bot for NW. So, should Cryptic consult with Blizzard? I think absolutely.
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