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draven165
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Ok so after some thinking I decided to just go and test the idea that my SW is que'ing as a dang healer due to the Temptation build. This test was a little extreme but it only makes me think there may be truth to this theory.
Back story: Through leveling everytime I have joined a Dungeon there was not a Cleric in the group. I didnt think much of it as I thought maybe this was the norm since my Main is a Cleric I hadnt had any exposure to the Que system without a Cleric in the group. Once I started doing Epic content I started getting kicked saying the group needed a "Healer". So again I understood. Fortunately last night the groups I was matched with didnt seem to mind that there wasnt a "Cleric" in the group for the first 3 runs. Here is the breakdown.
I ran a total of 6 dungeons last night with my SW using the Que system every time.
First 3 runs I was using my normal full Temptation Build. There was not a Cleric in the group. I was healing for around 1.9 million (that is a pretty accurate average of the 3 runs) Now on the damage side I was only ranked 3rd in 2 and then 4th in the 3rd run so there is definitely a DPS question with this build. I was in mostly greens and blues too though.
I had a respec token laying around from some packages I had bought so I used it.
Next three runs I chose Fury feats.
All three runs a Cleric was in the group through the Q system.
So now I really wonder if this is as intended? Anyone have any thoughts on this? I enjoy playing as a Temptation Warlock but do not really want to get the boot from Dungeons on spawn in due to "no Cleric Healer" in the group.
I do plan to respec back to Temptation again after a few more runs with the Fury build to see if it reverts back to no Cleric.
Back story: Through leveling everytime I have joined a Dungeon there was not a Cleric in the group. I didnt think much of it as I thought maybe this was the norm since my Main is a Cleric I hadnt had any exposure to the Que system without a Cleric in the group. Once I started doing Epic content I started getting kicked saying the group needed a "Healer". So again I understood. Fortunately last night the groups I was matched with didnt seem to mind that there wasnt a "Cleric" in the group for the first 3 runs. Here is the breakdown.
I ran a total of 6 dungeons last night with my SW using the Que system every time.
First 3 runs I was using my normal full Temptation Build. There was not a Cleric in the group. I was healing for around 1.9 million (that is a pretty accurate average of the 3 runs) Now on the damage side I was only ranked 3rd in 2 and then 4th in the 3rd run so there is definitely a DPS question with this build. I was in mostly greens and blues too though.
I had a respec token laying around from some packages I had bought so I used it.
Next three runs I chose Fury feats.
All three runs a Cleric was in the group through the Q system.
So now I really wonder if this is as intended? Anyone have any thoughts on this? I enjoy playing as a Temptation Warlock but do not really want to get the boot from Dungeons on spawn in due to "no Cleric Healer" in the group.
I do plan to respec back to Temptation again after a few more runs with the Fury build to see if it reverts back to no Cleric.
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Why would you not try? Personally, I don't like playing the cookie cutter class setup (ONLY DPS). I also play a Temptation SW and love it. I can fill the missing DC role in most T2 dungeons and I supplement a DC well in CN.
That being said, I don't want to replace a DC and neither should the OP.
Edit: BTW, just FYI I'm usually about 1 million healing damage behind a DC in CN. Considering I don't apply a single heal to anyone, I like this!
Apparently someone didn't read the OP. I never said I am "trying to out heal the cleric". This entire post was about the Queue system that I have found when comparing my SW to my DC. My thoughts were and still are is the Queue system mistakenly counting a Temptation Build Warlock as a "healer" in slot and thus not pairing it with a Cleric. As my main (a DC) I never noticed this during leveling as I was never paired with an SW to ask what their build was. Also during my leveling of my SW I have never been paired with a DC. SOOOOO this had me thinking. I never claimed this is in fact how the system works nor did I state that I know for sure this to be the case. I was testing out 2 different builds on my SW to see if anything changed.
What I found was as a Temptation SW I still havent been grouped with a DC but when I changed my build to a fury I was always grouped with a DC. This cant be a coincidence can it? I was asking others if they noticed this or if anyone else has done any testing. I will continue to test it as time allows.
Please for the love of all that is holy actually read a post before commenting and then make sure you understand the post before commenting.
Thanks
**EDIT** Sorry if this came across as hostile. It just aggravates me for someone to say learn more about MMO's. I am an older gamer and have been playing "MMO's" since they probably originated on computers. To make that statement when you are obviously in the wrong for not even having a clue about the intent of a post is beyond annoying. rant/
Obviously, you have people who don't read the whole post. There was where the problem was IMHO. I think that is some interesting findings there, and I hope maybe we get a clear reason as why to that. Keep up the good work Draven.
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You have really missed the point of the original post.
ASYLUM
Get out of that Cookie Cutter mentality. It's about group utility and synergy. A DC doesn't have to solely focus on healing when a Hellbring Templock is in the party (I main one along side one of our DCs). As another has said, they can change gears a bit and work on buffing/debuffing while throwing out heals in between. This thread isn't pointless. You clearly haven't been playing long enough nor have enough knowledge to really understand that it's not about topping damage charts. It's about group synergy, communication and understanding.
Thank you for this post. Someone with intelligence actually got the point. And appreciate you debunking the theory. Guess it was just the luck of the queue for me.
glad i could help
Thank you for this feedback!
I have some additional feedback from more tests last night.
I ran as a fury lock for 5 runs and was grouped with a Cleric every run.
I then respecc'd again back to my preferred build of a Temptation lock but only ran 3 more Dungeons due to time. On the first 2 runs again I was back to NOT having a cleric in the group but now that my gear score is up I was throwing up 4-5million in healing and ranked 2 on end damage score.
The third run when I joined there wasnt a cleric but someone left and a cleric joined. I thought to myself wow this is the first time I was grouped with a Cleric as a Templock. But then the Cleric said something I have never heard.... Looks like you guys have DPS covered so I will switch out and heal!?!? This was a DPS Cleric? Was the Queue filling him as a DPS slot and me as healing slot? So now the plot thickens.
I know the "official" word is that the Queue does not look for specific classes and everything is random BUT this has got to be more than just a coincidence and random grouping playing mind tricks.
So now this theory is based on others previous feedback of being Templock grouped with Clerics, what was the spec of those Clerics? We may never know the real scheme here but I do find all this research very interesting.
Thank you to all those that have added constructive input to this test. I appreciate all of your feedback!
I got grouped with 2 DCs last night for Shores and we wiped on the Cult of the Dragon mobs - must not have been enough DPS? I think one of the DCs was a DPS build but there should have been no reason for wiping with that much healing. The end boss went down fast though.
What I do notice a lot is that when I queue up for Epic PK (my farming dungeon), I almost always join a group without a DC (and fast!). So does the game recognize me as a healer? Must be. However, not every party I join recognizes me as capable of doing so - their loss though because I've healed my team between 2.5-3 million on this dungeon many times and still came in no less than 3rd in damage.
As a final note, hope you don't get Mod 6 anytime soon.
I solo'd the worm boss in the plague caverns or w/e it's called on my temp build but we couldn't even get him below 75% with a healer.
I wanted to create a guild that was a warlock safe haven where we just have temptation warlocks and fury ones doing instances with at least 3 temptation built warlocks with varying debuffs and buffs.
One can only dream...