http://i.imgur.com/uytaJzg.png Here is a pic. im trying not to be rude here i really think CW's are well balanced. This CW happens to be really good, but i definitely do not think they are underpowered in any way. I do think shield could use some toning down. but otherwise there in a good place.:D
I'm guessing those players were "pretty well geared" for lvl 60 PVE content, but not geared at all for lvl 69 PVP. I probably average around 20 kills and 2 deaths in GG matches with my CW, because people come in there with 30k HP and 0 tenacity and I can kill them before they even land on the ground jumping out of spawn.
I'm guessing those players were "pretty well geared" for lvl 60 PVE content, but not geared at all for lvl 69 PVP. I probably average around 20 kills and 2 deaths in GG matches with my CW, because people come in there with 30k HP and 0 tenacity and I can kill them before they even land on the ground jumping out of spawn.
this was level 70 content. and the enemy put up a very good fight for awhile til we started focusing them 1 by 1.
Being totally honest I haven't been in much pvp because of issues in mod 6 around artifacts and ap but when people used to generally claim cws were pvp weak they meant in a 1v1 situation which in a tight game is often the usual situation. For like a while cws have been able to rack up high quantities of kills if they had the range and support to play for picks the problem was anyone half smart would go for you. Anyway that's the past.
I think there is a huge gear disperity right now. Those who had 50k glory waiting, already have 4 pieces of pvp gear now. That's enough to give 40% DR, 80% ArP resistance, 40% crit resist. Then add perfect negation DR (again, only for people who were waiting with AD). For cw, they also have the DR from a rank 4 shield. Compare this to new players hitting 70. If you are this person and you were put in a match where the other side were all new 70s in blue pve gear, you'd eat them up regardless of the class, except some classes have an easier time getting the killing blow.
CWs are just trying to avoid balance by being hypocrite
CW Pros
1. Highest damage single and aoe (who will argue?)
2. Good survivability from Barrier, more than one teleport (for a range class they should have 1 and short range tele)
3. Crowd control seriously the most abundant class
4. Range
5. 3 encounters+ 1 empowered encounter
6. Highest kiting capability just sum up everything I listed
Now can anyone mention any disadvantage coz I dont know if CW got one?
it is a weak calss, it only gets kills cuz ppl let them nuke them from range
if the priority is cw he will go negatiev score
regards
hypocrite CW get high HP pool from 70 gear owns tons of cc plus teleport and not to mention a barrier thats makes them tankier than a GWF ohhh and CW is range like your mom
hypocrite CW get high HP pool from 70 gear owns tons of cc plus teleport and not to mention a barrier thats makes them tankier than a GWF ohhh and CW is range like your mom
REGARDS
**** off already you stupid son of a b*tch. You seriously contribute nothing. Go hide in a corner.
On topic....
How to fix CW 101
1) Revert storm spell back to module 3 status
2) Give them moderate damage on encounters, enough with multiprocs
3) Reduce Shield DR tremendously OR cap the amount of damage it can absorb before exploding
SW can be strong versus a weak team. SW can be strong a low level pvp (below 60). But SW is very weak at the very end-game against other end-game bis players.
Those kind of scoreboard Kill-Death blowouts are not uncommon for a well geared SW versus a weak geared/poor team. The problem is that a maxed out end-game built is drastically underpowered against other maxed-out end-game built classes.
Just try to find an SW in full premades of end-game pvp players like Absolute Choc Shoppe, EoA, 7k GS scrubs, etc. Very very rare. They generally do not use them because they cannot compete with any other class at end game.
Who you think you are is ultimately irrelevant. Nearly everyone thinks they matter more than they actually do. Only the strength of your arguments matter, regardless of "who" you are.
CW ganging on me? hypocrites
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CWs are just trying to avoid balance by being hypocrite
CW Pros
1. Highest damage single and aoe (who will argue?)
2. Good survivability from Barrier, more than one teleport (for a range class they should have 1 and short range tele)
3. Crowd control seriously the most abundant class
4. Range
5. 3 encounters+ 1 empowered encounter
6. Highest kiting capability just sum up everything I listed
Now can anyone mention any disadvantage coz I dont know if CW got one?
1 keep an eye on TR & GWF, the cw can deal lot of dammage but he is the first focus in a match. Have you ever seen how he is jumping all the time to try to dodge the opponent, and allways searching a safe position to throw some skills on mid.
2 lot of CW have to forget barrier now, and there is a stop moment between two teleport, when you know how cw moves you know when you can snipe him
3 Keep an eye on GF / HR / GWF / SW / TR. They can CC better than CW if the CW isn't "oppresor" way. And when cw is "oppressor" he doesn't deal dammage. The class name is "control wizard"
4 ... Ok
5 empowered encounter is only for shield if you don't want to die too much fast. Remember all crying people who are open thread on it.
But it's true shield on TAB + negation make the CW less weak,
6 again look TR/GWF/HR /SW if you want to see very impressive kiting.
I read a lot of threads against CW, it s true it s a very versatile class, but it's like we want forget how the HR/TR/DC and now paladin full interrupt are.
If the CW wasn't so weak he will use another spell than shield on TAB, and if it wasn't necessary for them to survive they could use other funny spell instead. 95% of cw have to use shield in pvp.all the same gameplay ... Not cool. And again, the most ironic for me is to see how other classes can CC much better CW .. nonsense. CW should have more CC resist than other classes. CW should have some undodgeable Cc.
At the end i can say
1 range
2 shield
3 good crit rate
That s all
No, there is not, I went back to my CW and SW, after running into a well played CW in PvP. Now I do feel less intimidated by other classes, including Rogues on my CW and will 1vs 1 a lot in GG, but on my SW I try to stick with the group, based on slow *** casts, no real mitigation abilities and my weakness to CC and damage even through Shadow slip.
CW are in a good place right now, against any class once geared and booned out.
Ps,
What makes them so good in the burst department is the spell storm proc, I hit a BI artifact geared Rogue for 55k per proc today using Ray of frost, killed him before he had time to Whodini vanish,again.
a confession from a CW who would want a cookie cutter class?? forget the skills and teamwork just spam and nuke from afar and when enemy gets close tele and choke enemies to death
hypocrite CW get high HP pool from 70 gear owns tons of cc plus teleport and not to mention a barrier thats makes them tankier than a GWF ohhh and CW is range like your mom
CWs are just trying to avoid balance by being hypocrite
CW Pros
1. Highest damage single and aoe (who will argue?)
2. Good survivability from Barrier, more than one teleport (for a range class they should have 1 and short range tele)
3. Crowd control seriously the most abundant class
4. Range
5. 3 encounters+ 1 empowered encounter
6. Highest kiting capability just sum up everything I listed
Now can anyone mention any disadvantage coz I dont know if CW got one?
Zero CC breaks/cc immunity,
CC doesnt actually do anything if its deflected
longest delay inbetween dodges
(who the fk aoe's in pvp other than opressive force) - so thats not even an arguement
4th encounter is shield? so we sacrifice dps for more tankyness
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everyone on my team was pretty well geared. i cant inspect enemies remember?
if the priority is cw he will go negatiev score
regards
this was level 70 content. and the enemy put up a very good fight for awhile til we started focusing them 1 by 1.
CW Pros
1. Highest damage single and aoe (who will argue?)
2. Good survivability from Barrier, more than one teleport (for a range class they should have 1 and short range tele)
3. Crowd control seriously the most abundant class
4. Range
5. 3 encounters+ 1 empowered encounter
6. Highest kiting capability just sum up everything I listed
Now can anyone mention any disadvantage coz I dont know if CW got one?
hypocrite CW get high HP pool from 70 gear owns tons of cc plus teleport and not to mention a barrier thats makes them tankier than a GWF ohhh and CW is range like your mom
REGARDS
**** off already you stupid son of a b*tch. You seriously contribute nothing. Go hide in a corner.
On topic....
How to fix CW 101
1) Revert storm spell back to module 3 status
2) Give them moderate damage on encounters, enough with multiprocs
3) Reduce Shield DR tremendously OR cap the amount of damage it can absorb before exploding
4) increase cooldown of various spells
taaa-daaaa! a fixed CW
SW can be strong versus a weak team. SW can be strong a low level pvp (below 60). But SW is very weak at the very end-game against other end-game bis players.
Those kind of scoreboard Kill-Death blowouts are not uncommon for a well geared SW versus a weak geared/poor team. The problem is that a maxed out end-game built is drastically underpowered against other maxed-out end-game built classes.
Just try to find an SW in full premades of end-game pvp players like Absolute Choc Shoppe, EoA, 7k GS scrubs, etc. Very very rare. They generally do not use them because they cannot compete with any other class at end game.
Sopi SW Youtube channel pvp brickabrack
and who do you think you are to give your opinion on how to fix a CW?
your status doesnt even ring a bell
CW ganging on me? hypocrites
1 keep an eye on TR & GWF, the cw can deal lot of dammage but he is the first focus in a match. Have you ever seen how he is jumping all the time to try to dodge the opponent, and allways searching a safe position to throw some skills on mid.
2 lot of CW have to forget barrier now, and there is a stop moment between two teleport, when you know how cw moves you know when you can snipe him
3 Keep an eye on GF / HR / GWF / SW / TR. They can CC better than CW if the CW isn't "oppresor" way. And when cw is "oppressor" he doesn't deal dammage. The class name is "control wizard"
4 ... Ok
5 empowered encounter is only for shield if you don't want to die too much fast. Remember all crying people who are open thread on it.
But it's true shield on TAB + negation make the CW less weak,
6 again look TR/GWF/HR /SW if you want to see very impressive kiting.
I read a lot of threads against CW, it s true it s a very versatile class, but it's like we want forget how the HR/TR/DC and now paladin full interrupt are.
If the CW wasn't so weak he will use another spell than shield on TAB, and if it wasn't necessary for them to survive they could use other funny spell instead. 95% of cw have to use shield in pvp.all the same gameplay ... Not cool. And again, the most ironic for me is to see how other classes can CC much better CW .. nonsense. CW should have more CC resist than other classes. CW should have some undodgeable Cc.
At the end i can say
1 range
2 shield
3 good crit rate
That s all
a confession from a CW who would want a cookie cutter class?? forget the skills and teamwork just spam and nuke from afar and when enemy gets close tele and choke enemies to death
lol funny rude but i agree with the main point.
someone needs to tell this hypocrites to drop the act be a man
excuse me? what the hell man.
Rofl, you tried brown nosing him and got served.
Just lmfao @ you
i wasnt trying to brown nose anyone. and didnt get "served" by anyone. get a life.
Zero CC breaks/cc immunity,
CC doesnt actually do anything if its deflected
longest delay inbetween dodges
(who the fk aoe's in pvp other than opressive force) - so thats not even an arguement
4th encounter is shield? so we sacrifice dps for more tankyness
yep, got me there, it has good damage.
You're the biggest joke of these forums little boy, literally.
Don't quote me again plebian, ignore listed so won't read your bs.
referring to them (CW) not you