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I've seen a lot of CW's in pvp claiming their class is weak, so here you go.

blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
edited April 2015 in PvP Discussion
http://i.imgur.com/uytaJzg.png Here is a pic. im trying not to be rude here i really think CW's are well balanced. This CW happens to be really good, but i definitely do not think they are underpowered in any way. I do think shield could use some toning down. but otherwise there in a good place.:D
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  • hfgtfsdfshfgtfsdfs Member Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    A printscreen like that says NOTHING. What about the gear on every single player in the match? (I'm not saying CW is weak).
    ZengiaH@ejziponken
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    hfgtfsdfs wrote: »
    A printscreen like that says NOTHING. What about the gear on every single player in the match? (I'm not saying CW is weak).

    everyone on my team was pretty well geared. i cant inspect enemies remember?
  • ofnieslafofnieslaf Member Posts: 381 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    it is a weak calss, it only gets kills cuz ppl let them nuke them from range

    if the priority is cw he will go negatiev score

    regards
  • benskix2benskix2 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 674 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I'm guessing those players were "pretty well geared" for lvl 60 PVE content, but not geared at all for lvl 69 PVP. I probably average around 20 kills and 2 deaths in GG matches with my CW, because people come in there with 30k HP and 0 tenacity and I can kill them before they even land on the ground jumping out of spawn.
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    benskix2 wrote: »
    I'm guessing those players were "pretty well geared" for lvl 60 PVE content, but not geared at all for lvl 69 PVP. I probably average around 20 kills and 2 deaths in GG matches with my CW, because people come in there with 30k HP and 0 tenacity and I can kill them before they even land on the ground jumping out of spawn.

    this was level 70 content. and the enemy put up a very good fight for awhile til we started focusing them 1 by 1.
  • helpimblindinrlhelpimblindinrl Member Posts: 972 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Being totally honest I haven't been in much pvp because of issues in mod 6 around artifacts and ap but when people used to generally claim cws were pvp weak they meant in a 1v1 situation which in a tight game is often the usual situation. For like a while cws have been able to rack up high quantities of kills if they had the range and support to play for picks the problem was anyone half smart would go for you. Anyway that's the past.
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  • lldtlldt Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I think there is a huge gear disperity right now. Those who had 50k glory waiting, already have 4 pieces of pvp gear now. That's enough to give 40% DR, 80% ArP resistance, 40% crit resist. Then add perfect negation DR (again, only for people who were waiting with AD). For cw, they also have the DR from a rank 4 shield. Compare this to new players hitting 70. If you are this person and you were put in a match where the other side were all new 70s in blue pve gear, you'd eat them up regardless of the class, except some classes have an easier time getting the killing blow.
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    CWs are just trying to avoid balance by being hypocrite

    CW Pros
    1. Highest damage single and aoe (who will argue?)
    2. Good survivability from Barrier, more than one teleport (for a range class they should have 1 and short range tele)
    3. Crowd control seriously the most abundant class
    4. Range
    5. 3 encounters+ 1 empowered encounter
    6. Highest kiting capability just sum up everything I listed

    Now can anyone mention any disadvantage coz I dont know if CW got one?
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    ofnieslaf wrote: »
    it is a weak calss, it only gets kills cuz ppl let them nuke them from range

    if the priority is cw he will go negatiev score

    regards

    hypocrite CW get high HP pool from 70 gear owns tons of cc plus teleport and not to mention a barrier thats makes them tankier than a GWF ohhh and CW is range like your mom

    REGARDS
  • greatweaponarmygreatweaponarmy Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    hypocrite CW get high HP pool from 70 gear owns tons of cc plus teleport and not to mention a barrier thats makes them tankier than a GWF ohhh and CW is range like your mom

    REGARDS

    **** off already you stupid son of a b*tch. You seriously contribute nothing. Go hide in a corner.



    On topic....

    How to fix CW 101

    1) Revert storm spell back to module 3 status

    2) Give them moderate damage on encounters, enough with multiprocs

    3) Reduce Shield DR tremendously OR cap the amount of damage it can absorb before exploding

    4) increase cooldown of various spells


    taaa-daaaa! a fixed CW
  • zeusomzeusom Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 810 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    macjae wrote: »
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    SWs are weak too.

    SW can be strong versus a weak team. SW can be strong a low level pvp (below 60). But SW is very weak at the very end-game against other end-game bis players.

    Those kind of scoreboard Kill-Death blowouts are not uncommon for a well geared SW versus a weak geared/poor team. The problem is that a maxed out end-game built is drastically underpowered against other maxed-out end-game built classes.

    Just try to find an SW in full premades of end-game pvp players like Absolute Choc Shoppe, EoA, 7k GS scrubs, etc. Very very rare. They generally do not use them because they cannot compete with any other class at end game.
    Sopi (aka Haxbox) SW [Synergy]
    Sopi SW Youtube channel pvp brickabrack

  • fastrean3fastrean3 Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    The CWs u fight against are top gear, the CWs complaints weak are low gear:cool:
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    **** off already you stupid son of a b*tch. You seriously contribute nothing. Go hide in a corner.



    On topic....

    How to fix CW 101

    1) Revert storm spell back to module 3 status

    2) Give them moderate damage on encounters, enough with multiprocs

    3) Reduce Shield DR tremendously OR cap the amount of damage it can absorb before exploding

    4) increase cooldown of various spells


    taaa-daaaa! a fixed CW

    and who do you think you are to give your opinion on how to fix a CW?
    your status doesnt even ring a bell
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  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    macjae wrote: »
    Who you think you are is ultimately irrelevant. Nearly everyone thinks they matter more than they actually do. Only the strength of your arguments matter, regardless of "who" you are.

    CW ganging on me? hypocrites
  • atomicbastardatomicbastard Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    CWs are just trying to avoid balance by being hypocrite

    CW Pros
    1. Highest damage single and aoe (who will argue?)
    2. Good survivability from Barrier, more than one teleport (for a range class they should have 1 and short range tele)
    3. Crowd control seriously the most abundant class
    4. Range
    5. 3 encounters+ 1 empowered encounter
    6. Highest kiting capability just sum up everything I listed

    Now can anyone mention any disadvantage coz I dont know if CW got one?

    1 keep an eye on TR & GWF, the cw can deal lot of dammage but he is the first focus in a match. Have you ever seen how he is jumping all the time to try to dodge the opponent, and allways searching a safe position to throw some skills on mid.
    2 lot of CW have to forget barrier now, and there is a stop moment between two teleport, when you know how cw moves you know when you can snipe him
    3 Keep an eye on GF / HR / GWF / SW / TR. They can CC better than CW if the CW isn't "oppresor" way. And when cw is "oppressor" he doesn't deal dammage. The class name is "control wizard"
    4 ... Ok
    5 empowered encounter is only for shield if you don't want to die too much fast. Remember all crying people who are open thread on it.
    But it's true shield on TAB + negation make the CW less weak,
    6 again look TR/GWF/HR /SW if you want to see very impressive kiting.

    I read a lot of threads against CW, it s true it s a very versatile class, but it's like we want forget how the HR/TR/DC and now paladin full interrupt are.

    If the CW wasn't so weak he will use another spell than shield on TAB, and if it wasn't necessary for them to survive they could use other funny spell instead. 95% of cw have to use shield in pvp.all the same gameplay ... Not cool. And again, the most ironic for me is to see how other classes can CC much better CW .. nonsense. CW should have more CC resist than other classes. CW should have some undodgeable Cc.

    At the end i can say
    1 range
    2 shield
    3 good crit rate
    That s all
    FaмФus Atoмic Munvar - PVP CW - " Légende Obscure " rank 7
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  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    gomok72 wrote: »
    No, there is not, I went back to my CW and SW, after running into a well played CW in PvP. Now I do feel less intimidated by other classes, including Rogues on my CW and will 1vs 1 a lot in GG, but on my SW I try to stick with the group, based on slow *** casts, no real mitigation abilities and my weakness to CC and damage even through Shadow slip.

    CW are in a good place right now, against any class once geared and booned out.

    Ps,

    What makes them so good in the burst department is the spell storm proc, I hit a BI artifact geared Rogue for 55k per proc today using Ray of frost, killed him before he had time to Whodini vanish,again.

    a confession from a CW who would want a cookie cutter class?? forget the skills and teamwork just spam and nuke from afar and when enemy gets close tele and choke enemies to death
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    hypocrite CW get high HP pool from 70 gear owns tons of cc plus teleport and not to mention a barrier thats makes them tankier than a GWF ohhh and CW is range like your mom

    REGARDS

    lol funny rude but i agree with the main point.
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    lol funny rude but i agree with the main point.

    someone needs to tell this hypocrites to drop the act be a man
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    someone needs to tell this hypocrites to drop the act be a man

    excuse me? what the hell man.
  • greatweaponarmygreatweaponarmy Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    excuse me? what the hell man.

    Rofl, you tried brown nosing him and got served.

    Just lmfao @ you
  • blackxxwolf3blackxxwolf3 Member Posts: 1,539 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Rofl, you tried brown nosing him and got served.

    Just lmfao @ you

    i wasnt trying to brown nose anyone. and didnt get "served" by anyone. get a life.
  • adamy2004adamy2004 Member Posts: 226 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    k9madrush wrote: »
    CWs are just trying to avoid balance by being hypocrite

    CW Pros
    1. Highest damage single and aoe (who will argue?)
    2. Good survivability from Barrier, more than one teleport (for a range class they should have 1 and short range tele)
    3. Crowd control seriously the most abundant class
    4. Range
    5. 3 encounters+ 1 empowered encounter
    6. Highest kiting capability just sum up everything I listed

    Now can anyone mention any disadvantage coz I dont know if CW got one?

    Zero CC breaks/cc immunity,
    CC doesnt actually do anything if its deflected
    longest delay inbetween dodges
    (who the fk aoe's in pvp other than opressive force) - so thats not even an arguement
    4th encounter is shield? so we sacrifice dps for more tankyness

    yep, got me there, it has good damage.
    Don't waste my time.
  • greatweaponarmygreatweaponarmy Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    i wasnt trying to brown nose anyone. and didnt get "served" by anyone. get a life.

    You're the biggest joke of these forums little boy, literally.

    Don't quote me again plebian, ignore listed so won't read your bs.
  • k9madrushk9madrush Member Posts: 534 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2015
    excuse me? what the hell man.

    referring to them (CW) not you
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