I don't know, how you feel, but i feel my pockets are pretty empty now.
With Mod 6 nearly everything we got became obsolete. We have to get and buy new gear on AH.
The prices are very high. The few, who make the shirts, pants and rings and so on can get a nice amount of AD, no problem there.
BUT, what is if you are on the other side of the fence? With AD income being drastically cut back i am pretty frustrated.
We don't get any AD from the Lord anymore, the glory to AD has been cut down way too much, current dungeons give nothing we can sell and on top of it leadership gives way less, than it used too.
On the other hand as with each new Mod the prices are high. This wouldn't be a problem, but i see this as a long term issue. If dungeons don't give any AD and the above mentioned losses still apply in the future, is there any option without paying a ton each month?
Please dear officials, try to find a nice balance, where it is good for both of the player and you the provider!
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Incomparable to what it used to be. I could easily hit the daily refining cap from 2x PVP dailies and a handful of dungeon runs.
Unless you have established yourself as a crafter, you can pretty much say goodbye to AD.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
Yeah, but artifacts rarely drop, we can't rely on that. I for instance have never seen one in the 2 years i am here to drop for me, not a single belt, so can't count on that, but the average player doesn't get them by tons either.
I think we still need some source of AD from dungeons, the salvage price is not enough and we don't have the Dungeons anymore to do DD runs one after another, neither do we have the necessary difficulty to do more runs while DD is up.
Won't go into details, but leadership is nerfed and heavily, sorry if one can't see that.
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I tend to only do leadership once a day so the changes have led to no actual difference to me and when I get it up to 25 I will be earning more AD daily. So it is not a pure nerf although it may work the way for many (most?) other players.
... have to buy new gear on AH?
Ever considered the possibility of actually going into dungeons and earning it?
Not all of us can sit for hours hopped up on mountain dew and doritos and grind the same things over and over again. I buy everything I can and incrementally grind out what I can't buy or afford. Saves time and I don't yawn as much.
The real question is, what do we need AD for? I've never been rich, had 2 mil AD max on my account and never really needed anything. As a matter of fact, you need even less AD now. All lvl70 zones are made to drop RP for a specific purpose, so there's no real need to buy them anymore, at least that's what Cryptic claims and the grind has prevented me from finding out for myself. So the only thing I can think of buying are wards which I never had to buy so far. I still have several in my bank. Of course the recent change has pushed people towards buying zen more, now that AD is harder to get. But once we get used to that, I'm sure that will prove good for the ZAx and the general economy.
obviously you are one of the few richs , you were already full since beta , now you don't need anything , but 95% of players didn't had this opportunity . and a lot of them don't zen too much and rely on ingame incomes , so they will never say what you said above ^^
... have to buy new gear on AH?
Ever considered the possibility of actually going into dungeons and earning it?
To answer your question i do grind a lot, but didn't you see, we miss many dungeons we had and many items can only be bought on AH. This applies especially to those items, where you don't have the needed profession maxed out, like jewel crafting for the new ArP rings.
Other thing is, i play a lot, but have to work sometimes too and since i am an alt-o-holic i like to gear up my other toons too, not just my main(s). On my main(s) i do grind, but on the others i like to get some nice, but only mediocre gear.
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Winston Churchill
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As someone who actually does make AD from professions I need to correct your assumptions about the actual profits from this kind of business. Looking at the end price you assume we are making a lot more than we actually are. You have to look at the capital good price (capital goods are the goods required to manufacture a finished product). For shirts and pants you need one UE and one DE which at current market rates cost 160K so selling one looks highly profitable at 300-400k. except that it is a) a rare task so you may make one per day per full set of mithrals and b) has a 40% failure rate. Which means that the rough materials cost (given failures) is about 300K. Which means you can make an average 100k every couple of days right now while demand is still very high making popular items.
Lets compare that to your rate of return on other items shall we? The mace of aryvandaar which can be made with blue impliments at 96% success ratio and costs only one DE. it is not a rare task so making more than one per day is easilly accomplished they sell for 150K so minus materials cost you are doubling your money every unit or making 80k a day. With me so far? Good.
Finally we should look at what can be made with no quality impliments at all. Major armor kits have a 100% success ratio require no impliments are not rare and cost 350k per unit to produce. The cheapest on the AH is selling at 440k so that is 90k per day gauranteed. So we can see that the profits from no or minimal investment in professions are as high as for those of us who invested in assets. Given my past experience with new mods and changing demands the major difference is that over time the low-no investment options will become unprofitable and the high investment options will continue to yeild 10-20k per day in average profit if well maintained (iebeing online enough to catch those rare tasks). Now simply chacking all of the new area tasks and running one that grants a UE pays about 100k flat gauranteed. The ones that give EA pay around 5k per last I saw server is now offline. Going to Sharandar and running through Gnarlrot grants a terror shard selling for 5k. I've mostly run ELoL since launch and cannot provide average delve profits.
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grogthemagnifMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,651Arc User
edited April 2015
I wouldn't say nerfed, but the leadership Pxp (Profession xp) is still the same,but times are lengthened and each level is expanded to 40K Pxp. The other professions have higher gathering/crafting rewards at levels 7 and 14 to compensate and make it easier to advance to level 21 and even higher gathering/crafting rewards. For leadership it would take 167 tasks at 240 Pxp and 334 tasks at 120 Pxp just to get to level 21 Leadership and upgrades to 200+ Pxp per task. Leadership has always taken longer to complete than other Professional tasks.
Yeah, but artifacts rarely drop, we can't rely on that. I for instance have never seen one in the 2 years i am here to drop for me, not a single belt, so can't count on that, but the average player doesn't get them by tons either.
I think we still need some source of AD from dungeons, the salvage price is not enough and we don't have the Dungeons anymore to do DD runs one after another, neither do we have the necessary difficulty to do more runs while DD is up.
Won't go into details, but leadership is nerfed and heavily, sorry if one can't see that.
blue items for lvl 70 are better then pvp lvl 70 gear? u out of your mind.
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited April 2015
Leadership was made more valuable in Module 6 thanks to the tasks that drop refining stones and (potentially) unified elements. It's not just about hitting the RAD cap anymore.
Secondly, do the SCA on the Gateway. Currently the companion only gear can sell for tens or hundreds of thousands of AD.
Sorry you will never make enough AD in this game. Most direct AD sources are gone. Most AD rewarding dailies are gone. There are virtually no salvageable gear any more. Most players get less from leadership.
Don't fall for the leadership give more AD because they give RP now talk. It is obvious, when the supply of AD is much lower, the demand of RP and other things that can be bought with AD can only remain high artificially. Since you are not going to have enough RP to refine anything, you are not going to sell your RP. You will need to buy a lot more RP from farmers at extremely high price but unfortunately you can't since the game hardly give you any AD now. You will be left with 2 choices: (1) forced to leave the game or (2) spend thousands of real dollars to get geared up to party for all grind and no reward and the opportunities to sink thousands more real dollars every 3-4 months when a new module comes. These 2 choices are yours but 1 NVM CM, 1 NVM Lead Designer, along with many NVM staff have already been given theirs.
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
Sorry you will never make enough AD in this game. Most direct AD sources are gone. Most AD rewarding dailies are gone. There are virtually no salvageable gear any more. Most players get less from leadership.
Don't fall for the leadership give more AD because they give RP now talk. It is obvious, when the supply of AD is much lower, the demand of RP and other things that can be bought with AD can only remain high artificially. Since you are not going to have enough RP to refine anything, you are not going to sell your RP. You will need to buy a lot more RP from farmers at extremely high price but unfortunately you can't since the game hardly give you any AD now. You will be left with 2 choices: (1) forced to leave the game or (2) spend thousands of real dollars to get geared up to party for all grind and no reward and the opportunities to sink thousands more real dollars every 3-4 months when a new module comes. These 2 choices are yours but 1 NVM CM, 1 NVM Lead Designer, along with many NVM staff have already been given theirs.
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
Don't fall for the leadership give more AD because they give RP now talk. It is obvious, when the supply of AD is much lower, the demand of RP and other things that can be bought with AD can only remain high artificially. Since you are not going to have enough RP to refine anything, you are not going to sell your RP. You will need to buy a lot more RP from farmers at extremely high price but unfortunately you can't since the game hardly give you any AD now. You will be left with 2 choices: (1) forced to leave the game or (2) spend thousands of real dollars to get geared up to party for all grind and no reward and the opportunities to sink thousands more real dollars every 3-4 months when a new module comes. These 2 choices are yours but 1 NVM CM, 1 NVM Lead Designer, along with many NVM staff have already been given theirs.
Contradict yourself much?
You can't get enough AD to buy more RP because you're getting more RP from Leadership instead of AD, but you won't sell your RP for AD because you need MORE of it. But you're getting more RP from Leadership? Yet you're still at a wealth disadvantage? What? That doesn't make sense.
If you would sit down and work through a spreadsheet, you'll see that at current market prices, when you add in the value of the RP stones + the AD you get from Leadership, you're actually making substantially MORE than you would in M5. Plus, you have the added bonus of being able to sell the RP stones, so you can exchange those directly for Astral Diamonds, which are inherently more valuable than Rough Astral Diamonds.
So I think it's less of "you can't make AD anymore" and more of "Let's figure out how to make AD in Module 6 now that things are different."
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
edited April 2015
Most stable way to create new AD right now is leadership.. there is nothing even close to it. Im not talking about making AD, Im talking about creating it, to bring AD into the game, you could EASILY run dragon heralds every hour and get a million dollar AD bank at one point in a week or two time. Now.. salvage is gone.
To create AD you are left with leadership.. or daily dungeon/skirm and pvp.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,453Arc User
Sorry you will never make enough AD in this game. Most direct AD sources are gone. Most AD rewarding dailies are gone. There are virtually no salvageable gear any more. Most players get less from leadership.
Don't fall for the leadership give more AD because they give RP now talk. It is obvious, when the supply of AD is much lower, the demand of RP and other things that can be bought with AD can only remain high artificially. Since you are not going to have enough RP to refine anything, you are not going to sell your RP. You will need to buy a lot more RP from farmers at extremely high price but unfortunately you can't since the game hardly give you any AD now. You will be left with 2 choices: (1) forced to leave the game or (2) spend thousands of real dollars to get geared up to party for all grind and no reward and the opportunities to sink thousands more real dollars every 3-4 months when a new module comes. These 2 choices are yours but 1 NVM CM, 1 NVM Lead Designer, along with many NVM staff have already been given theirs.
If RP is extremely high price, why don't you sell it? There are different type of refinement. You don't have to use them all.
The price of AH keeps on changing. You can also sell high buy low (or don't buy at all because you can continue to farm more yourself).
I only buy refinement when it is cheap. With recent refinement mechanic change, the price of cheap low rank refinement raised (because it is a lot easier to refine a stack of (say) rank 1/2/3/4 enchantment/runestone).
Do I make less directly generated AD from leadership right now? Yes. However, I also spend less AD to buy refinement because I don't have to buy them anymore. I have not started to sell my refinement although may be I should because the price of refinement will get cheaper and cheaper when more people reaches leadership level 21 and above. Right now, for one char with leadership 21, he can get at least 5000 RP steadily everyday.
At the moment, I need more "cheap" GMoP to upgrade 8 pairs of ready to upgrade enchantment, etc.
I don't have RP issue. I have GMoP issue. I am waiting for drop because I don't want to pay 100K AD if I don't have to.
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Incomparable to what it used to be. I could easily hit the daily refining cap from 2x PVP dailies and a handful of dungeon runs.
Unless you have established yourself as a crafter, you can pretty much say goodbye to AD.
Leadership will bring more AD once we level it to 21+.
drop artifacts or artifact gear and sell that. this is the only drop you can sell, t2 dg's are worthless
I think we still need some source of AD from dungeons, the salvage price is not enough and we don't have the Dungeons anymore to do DD runs one after another, neither do we have the necessary difficulty to do more runs while DD is up.
Won't go into details, but leadership is nerfed and heavily, sorry if one can't see that.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
Ever considered the possibility of actually going into dungeons and earning it?
Not all of us can sit for hours hopped up on mountain dew and doritos and grind the same things over and over again. I buy everything I can and incrementally grind out what I can't buy or afford. Saves time and I don't yawn as much.
obviously you are one of the few richs , you were already full since beta , now you don't need anything , but 95% of players didn't had this opportunity . and a lot of them don't zen too much and rely on ingame incomes , so they will never say what you said above ^^
To answer your question i do grind a lot, but didn't you see, we miss many dungeons we had and many items can only be bought on AH. This applies especially to those items, where you don't have the needed profession maxed out, like jewel crafting for the new ArP rings.
Other thing is, i play a lot, but have to work sometimes too and since i am an alt-o-holic i like to gear up my other toons too, not just my main(s). On my main(s) i do grind, but on the others i like to get some nice, but only mediocre gear.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
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Lets compare that to your rate of return on other items shall we? The mace of aryvandaar which can be made with blue impliments at 96% success ratio and costs only one DE. it is not a rare task so making more than one per day is easilly accomplished they sell for 150K so minus materials cost you are doubling your money every unit or making 80k a day. With me so far? Good.
Finally we should look at what can be made with no quality impliments at all. Major armor kits have a 100% success ratio require no impliments are not rare and cost 350k per unit to produce. The cheapest on the AH is selling at 440k so that is 90k per day gauranteed. So we can see that the profits from no or minimal investment in professions are as high as for those of us who invested in assets. Given my past experience with new mods and changing demands the major difference is that over time the low-no investment options will become unprofitable and the high investment options will continue to yeild 10-20k per day in average profit if well maintained (iebeing online enough to catch those rare tasks). Now simply chacking all of the new area tasks and running one that grants a UE pays about 100k flat gauranteed. The ones that give EA pay around 5k per last I saw server is now offline. Going to Sharandar and running through Gnarlrot grants a terror shard selling for 5k. I've mostly run ELoL since launch and cannot provide average delve profits.
Secondly, do the SCA on the Gateway. Currently the companion only gear can sell for tens or hundreds of thousands of AD.
Don't fall for the leadership give more AD because they give RP now talk. It is obvious, when the supply of AD is much lower, the demand of RP and other things that can be bought with AD can only remain high artificially. Since you are not going to have enough RP to refine anything, you are not going to sell your RP. You will need to buy a lot more RP from farmers at extremely high price but unfortunately you can't since the game hardly give you any AD now. You will be left with 2 choices: (1) forced to leave the game or (2) spend thousands of real dollars to get geared up to party for all grind and no reward and the opportunities to sink thousands more real dollars every 3-4 months when a new module comes. These 2 choices are yours but 1 NVM CM, 1 NVM Lead Designer, along with many NVM staff have already been given theirs.
Or you can talk to me...
Contradict yourself much?
You can't get enough AD to buy more RP because you're getting more RP from Leadership instead of AD, but you won't sell your RP for AD because you need MORE of it. But you're getting more RP from Leadership? Yet you're still at a wealth disadvantage? What? That doesn't make sense.
If you would sit down and work through a spreadsheet, you'll see that at current market prices, when you add in the value of the RP stones + the AD you get from Leadership, you're actually making substantially MORE than you would in M5. Plus, you have the added bonus of being able to sell the RP stones, so you can exchange those directly for Astral Diamonds, which are inherently more valuable than Rough Astral Diamonds.
So I think it's less of "you can't make AD anymore" and more of "Let's figure out how to make AD in Module 6 now that things are different."
To create AD you are left with leadership.. or daily dungeon/skirm and pvp.
If RP is extremely high price, why don't you sell it? There are different type of refinement. You don't have to use them all.
The price of AH keeps on changing. You can also sell high buy low (or don't buy at all because you can continue to farm more yourself).
I only buy refinement when it is cheap. With recent refinement mechanic change, the price of cheap low rank refinement raised (because it is a lot easier to refine a stack of (say) rank 1/2/3/4 enchantment/runestone).
Do I make less directly generated AD from leadership right now? Yes. However, I also spend less AD to buy refinement because I don't have to buy them anymore. I have not started to sell my refinement although may be I should because the price of refinement will get cheaper and cheaper when more people reaches leadership level 21 and above. Right now, for one char with leadership 21, he can get at least 5000 RP steadily everyday.
At the moment, I need more "cheap" GMoP to upgrade 8 pairs of ready to upgrade enchantment, etc.
I don't have RP issue. I have GMoP issue. I am waiting for drop because I don't want to pay 100K AD if I don't have to.