When putting up an item on the AH the price suggested should be the average of the last 5 or 10 of that item sold at. Not up to 4-5 times higher than all the other ones currently up.
I shouldn't have to manually check every items current value on the market every time i go to post it, the suggested price should be at a price that would and has already sold at.
The whole search engine for the AH needs a fix, When you are looking for rare items and get white and green and are looking for level 40-43 items and get level 28 items the system is broken
Yeah because allowing Cryptic to artificially keep prices high is an excellent idea.
Not getting your logic. Higher prices in the AH benefit players (the sellers) not Cryptic. Cryptic makes nothing from the AH, The posting fee and AH cut are just AD sinks to remove AD from the economy. No profit in that.
Not getting your logic. Higher prices in the AH benefit players (the sellers) not Cryptic. Cryptic makes nothing from the AH, The posting fee and AH cut are just AD sinks to remove AD from the economy. No profit in that.
You must be forgetting you can exchange AD for Zen.
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zephyriahMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,980Arc User
You must be forgetting you can exchange AD for Zen.
Not at all, free Zen also reduces profit for Cryptic. If you can get Zen for free, no need to put cash in.
There are many ways and things Cryptic monetizes in and about the game to make more money. Many of them worthy of disdain and critique, the AH suggested price guide is not among them in my opinion. Higher Ad prices in the AH due to the suggested prices, if that were true, only contributes to moving more AD from player to player. No major impact on the economy.
Double AD weekends are more of an impact on the Zen exchange rate, devaluing the value of AD, increasing the demand for Zen and thereby increasing profits and I haven't seen a single post complaining about that.
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finaldeath1689Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Not at all, free Zen also reduces profit for Cryptic. If you can get Zen for free, no need to put cash in.
There are many ways and things Cryptic monetizes in and about the game to make more money. Many of them worthy of disdain and critique, the AH suggested price guide is not among them in my opinion. Higher Ad prices in the AH due to the suggested prices, if that were true, only contributes to moving more AD from player to player. No major impact on the economy.
Double AD weekends are more of an impact on the Zen exchange rate, devaluing the value of AD, increasing the demand for Zen and thereby increasing profits and I haven't seen a single post complaining about that.
You do realize that all the zen from the exchange are from other players right? It doesn't come out of thin air.
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zephyriahMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,980Arc User
You do realize that all the zen from the exchange are from other players right? It doesn't come out of thin air.
Exactly, do you really understand what that means? It doesn't just come from other players, it comes from cash. Zen sales are where Cryptic makes it's money, no where else.
Moving AD from player to player does not impact Zen sales, as some poster(s) in this thread seem to believe. The prices suggested by the AH are based on player posted prices, not Cryptic set prices. The price suggestions will get better when players stop listing HAMSTER for high prices. The players really control this. If Cryptic really manipulated the prices, then they might have a valid point. There is no evidence to suggest anything other that player set prices causes the suggested auction house price to be high. It is possible that the algorithm is more tuned to more experienced players setting prices, since I am sure it is the same one from PC and suggested prices are more consistent there. If the poster I had questioned had shown how this impacted Zen sales, I would have dropped out of the discussion and understood his, and apparently your, point.
Things that affect the value and supply of Zen can impact Zen sales. Double AD weekends ARE controlled by Cryptic and therefore my point that there is where clear manipulation is occurring. If players want to look for conspiracy theories, they should focus their attention there and other places where Cryptic, not the players, manipulate prices or at least be able to back up the statement with some logic.
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finaldeath1689Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Exactly, do you really understand what that means? It doesn't just come from other players, it comes from cash. Zen sales are where Cryptic makes it's money, no where else.
You said "free zen reduces profit for Cryptic" when it does NOT. All zen from the exchange is already paid for. If anything the exchange MAKES them more money because many people who don't want to spend real money would just not play the game, there are clearly a ton of people who buy zen purely for exchanging it for ad, if the exchange wasn't there Cryptic would be losing out on the sales that would be for those buying it to exchange.
Regardless, the exchange and zen and all that HAMSTER has absolutely nothing to do with this thread and why i made it. I made it because the ah suggested prices need work.
You said "free zen reduces profit for Cryptic" when it does NOT. All zen from the exchange is already paid for. If anything the exchange MAKES them more money because many people who don't want to spend real money would just not play the game, there are clearly a ton of people who buy zen purely for exchanging it for ad, if the exchange wasn't there Cryptic would be losing out on the sales that would be for those buying it to exchange.
Regardless, the exchange and zen and all that HAMSTER has absolutely nothing to do with this thread and why i made it. I made it because the ah suggested prices need work.
The thing is they want the AD price of Zen to go UP. so more people see a benefit from buying zen to sell for AD. If people saw they could get 250 ad per 1 zen. they'd be much more willing to buy it than 140 ad per 1 zen. hence cryptic makes more money from zen. Free zen DOES reduce profit in the sense that it isn't being paid for again. it was only paid for once and as such how is it making them MORE money??? I can see what you are coming from , people can trade zen for AD, and as such the exchange makes them money, but a higher ad/zen ratio makes buying zen more attractive to the casual player who needs AD, which DOES increase revenue. they arent doing these Double AD weekends out of the goodness of their heart. they want the price of zen too increase so more people see a reason to buy it. the extra AD from the double weekends will eventually die to sinks, but if they can get the price raised from it. there is the good chance that when the prices settle again, they will be higher than before. essentially they are injecting currency into the games economy to jump-start it and lower the value of AD compared to Zen.
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Not getting your logic. Higher prices in the AH benefit players (the sellers) not Cryptic. Cryptic makes nothing from the AH, The posting fee and AH cut are just AD sinks to remove AD from the economy. No profit in that.
You must be forgetting you can exchange AD for Zen.
There are many ways and things Cryptic monetizes in and about the game to make more money. Many of them worthy of disdain and critique, the AH suggested price guide is not among them in my opinion. Higher Ad prices in the AH due to the suggested prices, if that were true, only contributes to moving more AD from player to player. No major impact on the economy.
Double AD weekends are more of an impact on the Zen exchange rate, devaluing the value of AD, increasing the demand for Zen and thereby increasing profits and I haven't seen a single post complaining about that.
You do realize that all the zen from the exchange are from other players right? It doesn't come out of thin air.
Exactly, do you really understand what that means? It doesn't just come from other players, it comes from cash. Zen sales are where Cryptic makes it's money, no where else.
Moving AD from player to player does not impact Zen sales, as some poster(s) in this thread seem to believe. The prices suggested by the AH are based on player posted prices, not Cryptic set prices. The price suggestions will get better when players stop listing HAMSTER for high prices. The players really control this. If Cryptic really manipulated the prices, then they might have a valid point. There is no evidence to suggest anything other that player set prices causes the suggested auction house price to be high. It is possible that the algorithm is more tuned to more experienced players setting prices, since I am sure it is the same one from PC and suggested prices are more consistent there. If the poster I had questioned had shown how this impacted Zen sales, I would have dropped out of the discussion and understood his, and apparently your, point.
Things that affect the value and supply of Zen can impact Zen sales. Double AD weekends ARE controlled by Cryptic and therefore my point that there is where clear manipulation is occurring. If players want to look for conspiracy theories, they should focus their attention there and other places where Cryptic, not the players, manipulate prices or at least be able to back up the statement with some logic.
You said "free zen reduces profit for Cryptic" when it does NOT. All zen from the exchange is already paid for. If anything the exchange MAKES them more money because many people who don't want to spend real money would just not play the game, there are clearly a ton of people who buy zen purely for exchanging it for ad, if the exchange wasn't there Cryptic would be losing out on the sales that would be for those buying it to exchange.
Regardless, the exchange and zen and all that HAMSTER has absolutely nothing to do with this thread and why i made it. I made it because the ah suggested prices need work.
The thing is they want the AD price of Zen to go UP. so more people see a benefit from buying zen to sell for AD. If people saw they could get 250 ad per 1 zen. they'd be much more willing to buy it than 140 ad per 1 zen. hence cryptic makes more money from zen. Free zen DOES reduce profit in the sense that it isn't being paid for again. it was only paid for once and as such how is it making them MORE money??? I can see what you are coming from , people can trade zen for AD, and as such the exchange makes them money, but a higher ad/zen ratio makes buying zen more attractive to the casual player who needs AD, which DOES increase revenue. they arent doing these Double AD weekends out of the goodness of their heart. they want the price of zen too increase so more people see a reason to buy it. the extra AD from the double weekends will eventually die to sinks, but if they can get the price raised from it. there is the good chance that when the prices settle again, they will be higher than before. essentially they are injecting currency into the games economy to jump-start it and lower the value of AD compared to Zen.
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