Iis it $70 to use the Dragonborn race?

brntumorwarrior · April 2015

Unless I misunderstood how Zen currency works, it appears that I need to pay $70 to use the dragon race? Is this accurate? If so, isn't that very pricey?

(Sorry about the title typo)

blackxxwolf3 · April 2015

brntumorwarrior wrote: »

Unless I misunderstood how Zen currency works, it appears that I need to pay $70 to use the dragon race? Is this accurate? If so, isn't that very pricey?

(Sorry about the title typo)

yup your right. and btw everything in this game is really expensive. i know it sucks.

brntumorwarrior · April 2015

blackxxwolf3 wrote: »

yup your right. and btw everything in this game is really expensive. i know it sucks.

Even Oblivian's horse armor thinks that's silly.

kreatyve · April 2015

You don't just get the dragonborn race with that package. You also get a very powerful artifact, a very nice epic ring that levels with your character, a 30 slot bag (all this unlocks for all your characters), a race reroll token (currently not working on Xbox) some fashion outfits, and a few other things as well.

torontodave · April 2015

This is the thread where PWE and Cryptic learn a very valuable lesson in MICROPAYMENTS from the CONSOLE crowd.

*sits back and watches*

*waits for goldspam bots to invade Xbox.Protectors.Enclave and the true hate to begin*

edit: there are like .. 7 other races to choose from? you HAVE to be the dragonborn? they get mad extra bonuses, if you NEED them, pay for them. (But I agree, why so much?)

sockmunkey · April 2015

$70 is for the bigger bundle that includes more then just the race. If someone just wants the race, there is a cheaper $25 pack for that.

zdragonlord · April 2015

I researched the game (having a Mac as a computer and cannot play on PC) and absolutely HAD to get the Dragonborn race. I even budgeted for it since the beta. DO NOT BUY IT RIGHT NOW THOUGH!!!! The race reroll tokens are bugged (nonexistent), as are some of the redeemable items (got 2 sets of charms). Otherwise I love the pack, the artifact is so much fun to use, and walking around towering above everyone else is truly a feat.

There is a cheaper pack you can buy for ~$25 if you want just the race. As for the prices, P2W is not a problem here, as you CHOOSE to pay or not. You can get through with the starter gear if you wish, it's not completely necessary to buy your way through. I have no issue spending $40-50 on a game I get for free as a normal game is worth $60, thus essentially buying a game but instead getting useful items or currency instead of having to pay more on top of the initial $60.

myrkul76 · April 2015

The thing you PC players need to understand is that the Xbox crowd will shower them with money if they perceive a value. $70 for a playable race or even just $25 is WAY over priced. Especially if you are viewing it from the lens of this is a F2P game.

Xbox players are not longevity players on the whole. They tend to migrate with new releases. Sure there will be some who hang around for the long term but many of them will drop this as soon as something new and shiny comes out. They are akin to squirrels.

zdragonlord · April 2015

myrkul76 wrote: »

The thing you PC players need to understand is that the Xbox crowd will shower them with money if they perceive a value. $70 for a playable race or even just $25 is WAY over priced. Especially if you are viewing it from the lens of this is a F2P game.

Xbox players are not longevity players on the whole. They tend to migrate with new releases. Sure there will be some who hang around for the long term but many of them will drop this as soon as something new and shiny comes out. They are akin to squirrels.

Being one of these people, the reason most migrate is because we pay for our games. Where as PC can just google "F2P MMORPG" and get hundreds of free games. We also have a (more or less) forced $60 per month subscription you have to take into account just to access online. As I stated above, I have no issue spending $40-60 on a free game, as it's the same as buying a new one.

Finances work different on console. A PC player who has say 5 different F2P accounts will willingly pay $100+ on something, but a console player paying that much when we already pay out our ears for a subscription to play a free game somewhat takes away the "F2P"aspect. Hence why ESO was boycotted and canceled on console upon initial release ($15 a month my A, stacked with the 60 for game, 60 for XBL, thats $135 just for initial month. Was not happening).

Finally, please do not say "they" as not all of us are like that. It's like saying all PC players have a god complex for superiority, some do, yes, but not all.

hargood · April 2015

Some prices on the PC to me are very over priced (cough*cough*ward*cough*)as it seems might be on the Xbox. Also, I personally don't like the Dragonborn pack, but you have to look at that particular pack and others like it differently than, "you can't play a feature unless you pay us a mega load".

Truth is it is suppose to be the Price of a Game, or the price of an expansion to a game. That brings up the case of "Why would you pay for a game you are getting for free". That is why they put all the "only you will have this stuff, stuff" into those packs. There are things in there that you can use and are very very nice to have. It's not just a "Race Reroll".

I don't like getting nickled and dimed as much as the next guy, but you don't have to buy those packs. On top of that, if you are the type that budgets to actually pay for a game, you get a whole lot of cooler stuff that I won't have when you buy that. I just have to look at you in envy until I want to put up and get it.

It would be nice if NW was a game that was doing all its programming for charity to the gaming community, but they have to make money somewhere. They aren't advertising Insurance, or Mountain Dew to you (yet) so allowing people to buy a few fun things for the price of a normal video game shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Again, if you don't like the price.. don't buy it. It's all good. You can still play and do everything without it.

myrkul76 · April 2015

If you took anything I said as demeaning or hurtful please re-read.

I spent a great number of years on PC games. Most of the pay to play MMO's. That past few years I have moved to console as the cost of constantly having to upgrade my gaming rig for the latest and greatest would far out strip the cost I have put into console gaming. Me playing Wow and paying $15 a month for $180 a year is more expensive then paying $5 a month for Xbox Live Gold membership. Plus the cost of expansions with normally were $35-$40.

Back to NW....paying $70 for a couple of trinkets and a new skin is absurd. For $70 there should be substantial content and very noticeable game play additions. I may be a slightly bit too critical of the game, but it has been out for 2 years and reading through the forums, it is plagued with issues. They then on top of it decide to port it to console and try to have the same marketing concept. While they may rake in some quick cash due to the fact that it is new, the newness will wear off and a bulk of the player base will drift away.

Every type of gamer is different. PC or Console, each have their benefits. So I am not in one camp or the other. We are all gamers, yet all gamers are not the same.

wiseash1 · April 2015

brntumorwarrior wrote: »

Unless I misunderstood how Zen currency works, it appears that I need to pay $70 to use the dragon race? Is this accurate? If so, isn't that very pricey?

I really like this game and I want to support it. I played in the beta so I knew what I was getting into gameplay-wise so one of the first things I did was go into the Zen market and see if there was something like a season pass or a one-time full access bundle. I was shocked not only not to find that, but to find that item packs and race packs were sky high in price! The only thing with a reasonable price was character slot expansions which are about on par with the market (Guild Wars 2). So I was ready to spend $40 for this release, maybe $10 - $15 for good expansions. I can't do that, but I can pay $75 for scaly skin and a few digital trinkets.

I really hope they give me an avenue to support this game, I am definitely going to spend time here, but without some changes I won't be spending money.

wiseash1 · April 2015

Additionally, I think that people who are saying if you don't like it don't pay are missing the point. We are all TRYING to spend money on a game we like only to see that the market is ridiculously overpriced. We want options and we are letting the company know that we will spend money for it. If I am paying more than $10 on any game I want some new freaking corridors to walk my avatar through. Textures and items are filler, not content. The GAME is what we would like to spend money on not the filler. Now as I have said I really like what they have given me so far, enough that I would be willing to pay for unfettered access to what they have released so far, but that option isn't there as far as I can tell and considering what they are charging for filler I can't imagine what they would expect for the stuff they really put work into. It is strange that a business model would be both so generous and so greedy at the same time. They are neglecting those of us in the middle who would like to support them but don't like throwing money away.

myrkul76 · April 2015

Your post hits the target dead on.

khimera906 · April 2015

Here's where I am right now after 2 years of playing Neverwinter on pc:
I've spent somewhere around 200$ on this game - no regrets, but right now I feel that this game is not worth my money anymore. I would be happy to spend more money on it, if only they would put out some worthwhile content. For 2 years we've given them feedback on what we want from the game, what we are willing to pay for, but they just don't listen. I'm sure they have some good stuff planed for this game, but top priority for them is not good quality content, but content designed to suck money out of you. I can't imagine how it could be any different on Xbox.

telprydain · April 2015

I think the Heirloom Pack is pretty fair - it's a character slot and reroll token, and then all your characters get a bag of holding, a blue quality companion and a fresh set of blue armour and weapons every five levels from 5-50.
It's $20 - and it's an ideal starter pack for a game like this.

beets78 · April 2015

hargood wrote: »

Again, if you don't like the price.. don't buy it. It's all good. You can still play and do everything without it.

Bingo. This right here.

hargood · April 2015

wiseash1 wrote: »

Additionally, I think that people who are saying if you don't like it don't pay are missing the point.

I'm not trying to brow beat you, or be mean because the fact is we totally understand you, but I don't think you feel our point yet on this. You might be an Xbox player saying PC players don't understand, but the PC crowd has had that price staring at us for about 6 months now. So yeah, sorry but we understand very well.

And I think the problem is that most are just not used to a F2P MMO... because, well.... Xbox. They still feel like when they see something like this, that they are always, ALWAYS missing out on something because they haven't bought it.

It almost doesn't matter what it is, or what it's priced because it's just there... and that is what you guys are saying in a Nutshell, "I don't like it being there".

I Don't know how to explain or prove it to you, but If you continue playing F2p games you WILL get over that. I promise.

You will see that your Main Character doesn't have to be both a Hunter Ranger and a SW.. and Buy BOTH starter Kits.

You don't have to Ride both a Dusk Unicorn and an Armored Bear because you can't ride Two Mounts

Your Main can't be both a Moon Elf and a Dragonborne at the same time.

Don't Set yourself Up to think you have to have everything on the Zen Market to play this game, and don't worry about everything you think is overpriced.

If you want to support the game, and get something cool to start out... I'd buy a "Key" to a lock box. Starting off New, and at a lower lever, there is practically nothing in there that you can't use. Everything that could come out IS or WILL BE useful to you... and its only $1.25.

ssgsmoke · April 2015

You have to understand that this is not a game that you buy and say," I'm going to play it for a month." This is the first "Real,"MMO on Xbox One. You don't pick up an MMO and say,"Ill just play for a month." My first time playing Neverwinter, but not my first time playing an MMO. Last MMO I played was SWTOR. I played it for 3 years straight and paid $15.00 a month, every month for 3 years. MMO's take a long a time to play and its better to pay little by little as time goes on, than pay a monthly subscription every month. That way you can take a break every once and a while and play another game without having to worry that your paying a sub you are not using. MMO's are always adding new content,weapons, DLC's,Classes, etc.. What is nice about this game is that you can play for free and you have access to so much. Everything is not so restricted, like other free to play models that just let you do the basics almost like a game demo. Some of them, unless you get some account upgrades for example,will lock out ability slots that you need in order to play the game. Which make the games not actually,"free to play." I've played a lot of MMO's in my lifetime and this is my first on Xbox One. really enjoying it. If you want to group in game, send me a friend request. My GT is SSG SMOKE, I play a cleric healer.

attorn97 · April 2015

myrkul76 wrote: »

Back to NW....paying $70 for a couple of trinkets and a new skin is absurd. For $70 there should be substantial content and very noticeable game play additions.

they certainly cant' do that after advertising this forever as "All content is free to play!"

If you like the game and want to support its continued existence and evolvement (is that even a word?) there are lots of cheaper things to buy. Heck.. even just using the AD / Zen exchange is supporting the game, because without people exchanging AD for Zen, there'd be nobody buying Zen to put up on the exchange.

Bonus.. Zen is around 380AD per right now, while there's a huge backlog on PC.

spfiend · April 2015

Its not $70 its almost $80... It is a complete turn off for me One of the reasons I hate the f2p model.. I rather just buy a game like this for the normal price of a video game and have all of the content.. Like GuildWars 2.. Then pay for expansions.. They are losing out on money from people like me that feel jaded from this pay model..

I understand the people that say then dont buy it.. True but looking at it from a business stand point they are losing potential money from people like me that will play the game and want to suppport it but wont because of the F2P model and the overpriced packages.. I was looking for a $50 to $60 package to buy all the content but there isnt one and other than that I refuse to spend a dime on this game..

eldarion79 · April 2015

The thing is you don't need all of that content to finish the game, besides there are at least five more free modules coming to the game. This isn't the only Xbox game does this, COD, Assassin's Creed series, and other games have cash shops where you cannot buy everything in a little bundle.

wiseash1 · April 2015

I totally understand how FTP works. As I mentioned in my post I have played a ton of them, including Guild Wars 2 which I mention explicitly. What this game is missing is a reasonable option to support the cost of making the game for those of us who understand supply and demand economics. They are going after the big fish without allowing the rest of us to have viable options to support the game. I am stating that there is a demand for lower tier digital products in the game and if they supply it I would be inclined to buy it. I am not berating you for choosing to spend more for what I consider to be an overpriced item, I also have no problem understanding "the way things are." You are reading my post which I feel was pretty clear and making a great deal of assumptions about my thoughts. I'm sure if you read it again it will make more sense to you and I don't feel the need to rehash it.

hargood · April 2015

wiseash1 wrote: »

I totally understand how FTP works. As I mentioned in my post I have played a ton of them, including Guild Wars 2 which I mention explicitly. What this game is missing is a reasonable option to support the cost of making the game for those of us who understand supply and demand economics. They are going after the big fish without allowing the rest of us to have viable options to support the game. I am stating that there is a demand for lower tier digital products in the game and if they supply it I would be inclined to buy it. I am not berating you for choosing to spend more for what I consider to be an overpriced item, I also have no problem understanding "the way things are." You are reading my post which I feel was pretty clear and making a great deal of assumptions about my thoughts. I'm sure if you read it again it will make more sense to you and I don't feel the need to rehash it.

And again, they have lower tier products.. as low at $1.25.

But if you simply can't stand a Price simply being there for something else, then yes, by all means quit playing the game because it will always be there.

Funny but if your argument was "I really want to play a Dragon Man but the price is too much", that would have been a good argument. I would be behind it 200% in agreement with you. But it seems you just don't like it simply being there from what your posts have been. ..So that's my last advice. Good luck.

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latinlegend · April 2015

As of the moment, the content is indeed very expensive. To some it isn't but to others, it comes off as paying an absurd amount for a few pieces of content compared to going out & buying an entirely different triple A game with DLC on top of it. Outside of buying things I feel I will need down the road such as bags, I plan to hold out for as long as I can just to see if they take the same & what I consider, smart, approach that the Warframe devs have. Where on certain weeks, they offer a very nice discount towards the purchase of there premium currency. If the prices stay the same, then just like the PC version, the game will not see many players despite it being a free game to play.

Iis it $70 to use the Dragonborn race?

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