Hey guys, I used to play Neverwinter at launch but Guild Wars kind of stole me away.
With the release of Neverwinter on Xbox, I was hoping to get involved with the game again and Scourge Warlock was definitely not here when I was playing. That being said, I'd like to know the best ways to gear for PvP and any advice that goes along with it.
I've been doing some browsing and can say for certain: I want a supportive Temptation Warlock. I know that SW aren't ideal in PvP right now, are hard to use and can really struggle when focused, I'm ready for all of that. I'm playing this class because it interests me, not because the meta says so, and also because my favorite D&D character was a High Elf Warlock villain.
So that being said, any an all advice would be welcome! I've browsed around and read the guides but they all seem more end-game geared. I'd like to learn how to build properly, and what to look out for on my way to max. Thanks for the help!
SW is currently accepted as the weakest class in PvP, with the GWF close second. (TR voters are just trolling, or OP wanted to do that as an experiment for his psych class homework paper...)
SW is NOT what you want for PvP in this game unless you're heavy into masochism like me. I play a temptation SW and I PvP a LOT with her. I can tell you for a fact.. It's hella painful. For me that is.
"If you're going to ride my HAMSTER... At least pull my hair" Taking the trash out, one badguy at a time. "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your trash back."
I believe Vasdamas has left the fold and has gone to the "dark side" by making/playing a rogue in PvP only now. Just wanted to point out how weak it is if you haven't figured it out by now.
"If you're going to ride my HAMSTER... At least pull my hair" Taking the trash out, one badguy at a time. "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your trash back."
I believe Vasdamas has left the fold and has gone to the "dark side" by making/playing a rogue in PvP only now. Just wanted to point out how weak it is if you haven't figured it out by now.
Well, if we can consider rank 5s, lesser vorpal/no sf as "has gone to the dark side". Just trying to catch people that spoiled my game or kicked me. Some unhealthy pleasure trolling like this is, but it feels good so I am making fun of it while it lasts.
Play what you enjoy. SW can be fun mod 5 (current live game) pvp with some twinkage but at 60 that stops. Shame because the class really is fun, it is just so horrible in pvp that difficulty level 1,000,000 eventually makes it less so. You dig into the situation, research and post and find out the thing is wai and then pretty much just give up.
/shrug As you say, play what you enjoy. I still enjoy playing my temptation SW. I have hella fun and that's all that should matter to me right? I do admit that it does get annoying sometimes, but coming from a temp SWs perspective... It's par for course? I'm talking about playing just a rogue in PvP Vasdamas.
"If you're going to ride my HAMSTER... At least pull my hair" Taking the trash out, one badguy at a time. "Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your trash back."
Well, if we can consider rank 5s, lesser vorpal/no sf as "has gone to the dark side". Just trying to catch people that spoiled my game or kicked me. Some unhealthy pleasure trolling like this is, but it feels good so I am making fun of it while it lasts.
Cool, did the same, built myself a TR, just to kick some b*tt in PVP, especially some big mouth's b*tt. I can do it even without turning to the dark side lol, i don't have a perma stealth nor a perma daze, simple combat is enough paired with some skills.
Dear OP, you picked a bad time, Warlock is fun, but only in PVE and their only too, if you enjoy it and don't watch the damage charts. I play Temptation, cause at least she has 1 decent value, she is better in healing, than most of the current DPS speced DCs. But the life steal nerf in Mod 6 makes me sad.
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The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
IMO, in NW Module 5 there is only 1 truly challenging thing in the whole game - PvP SW @ L60.
This will challenge not only your skills and knowledge of the class but your resolve to "get back on the horse" no matter how many times you get kicked off.
If you can keep getting back on that horse, one day when things are more equitable <cough>, you will surely be a force with all the knowledge gained getting there.
I play SB fury and its not only and allways a nightmare, fights are challenging and sure all clases can beat you, but in case of sending some 20k+ chars back to base you can feel their rage, becoming nasty about beeing beaten by a warlock
i can say fun is 50%, and the rest is ruined by matchmaking, the fact to compete against chars who are 2-7k higher in GS, and Perma-TR´s who troll the scene with their implemented onehit buttons, noobs for sure
Thanks guys, I'll give SW a shot in PvP when I have more experience with the game, then.
Sorry, you shouldn't let other peoples jadedness affect your decisions or fun. If sw is fun for you, play it. Especially pvp, you will learn the game very very well and by level 60 will have a blackbelt in pvp lol. Which will allow you to roll anther class and really pwn with it.
^what overdriver said, Check my join date, thats my real join date, and I do SW pvp, yeah you get pwned sometimes but you generally rock. It's a challenge.
IMO, in NW Module 5 there is only 1 truly challenging thing in the whole game - PvP SW @ L60.
This will challenge not only your skills and knowledge of the class but your resolve to "get back on the horse" no matter how many times you get kicked off.
If you can keep getting back on that horse, one day when things are more equitable <cough>, you will surely be a force with all the knowledge gained getting there.
I will be the cynical ****, but say that, well... don't know about this one but time to time, poor balance can actually teach you the wrong things. Example would be in WoT - old matchmaker used to group tiers really badly - like you had a chance to go with next to top tier (9) as tier 5. For heavy tanks, these used to be games where you peek out = = you die. As a result, it trained heavy players to sit back and snipe... which is really not what a heavy tank should be doing in a more equitable setting, and of course even when that changed it instilled terribad habits which really aren't is needed to win.
I will be the cynical ****, but say that, well... don't know about this one but time to time, poor balance can actually teach you the wrong things. Example would be in WoT - old matchmaker used to group tiers really badly - like you had a chance to go with next to top tier (9) as tier 5. For heavy tanks, these used to be games where you peek out = = you die. As a result, it trained heavy players to sit back and snipe... which is really not what a heavy tank should be doing in a more equitable setting, and of course even when that changed it instilled terribad habits which really aren't is needed to win.
So, be careful what you learn, I guess.
This is a good point. I am thinking to even survive as sw- ranged dps with no dodge- you need to learn your own cd's inside and out, and opponent class cd's in and out as well, how to spot a nub tr vs a pro tr, how to kite people and so on. You learn how to win domination on an underpowered class, you rock domination on a balanced or op class. For example, instead of running to back cap only to die, in order to maintain even numbers on the other nodes or maybe an advantage on 2, you roll a good class and back cap and contest that node for several minutes vs 3 or 4 opponents, pretty much locking your teams win. Even things like running tight circles around an enemy who is trying to target you lol, staying just ahead of their targeting cursor. Lotsa fun to do while peeing an endless stream dreadtheft death on them lol.
We'll how should I start? I'd like to hop into PvP immediately once I get the chance but I don't know what I should be aiming for while leveling. Judging from the play style I'd like to make a temptation lock but I don't know what my build options are or what stats to invest in early on.
hop in, get some gear, go icewinddale get black-Ice-Set or buy new gear in mod 6
I prefer SB fury, temp lock was in may case (mod4) not very good in killing things, and the support was , hmm forget it, thats really no support in comparison to a DC, other classes have selfhealing abilities who are ore effective
get your boons and use the 100 times linked build from vasdamas /miserys PVP build
Haha thanks! Looking forward to it. Anyone have any quick tips on being effective in PvP as a SW? Where to rotate, what to look out for, who to focus? ect?
look out for the TR, i use orbs instead of KF if anoying TR sneaks around, HS, WB, orbs or orbs WB DT
against a GF HS prone (from behind) and in case of not beeing stunned BOVA pierces through shield, i guess its like attacking from behind even if facing GF, but all in all i don´t use it in PVP since switching encounters all time is not my case
HS-curse-->prone- WB KF is a very good combination on single target, daily is allways same brood of hadar
fatihfull DC is hard to get down for a warlock, since you can not kick out of empowered AS like CW, GWF, GF: HS -time your prone and time your BoH- WB Soul Scorch all 5 or WB+DT, i sometimes manage to get better equipped DC down by this, but its a bit luck , never succeded against good equipped DC with DT+WB
GWF is WB, HS, KF/orbs .... Hunter same, CW same, Warlock same
orbs are really good against melle classes, curse + damage+ fast colldown
i can´t say that wraith shadows is good for anything, deals no damage very short rooting, and stupid mechanic, u can try to use it against TR (very quick cast) dot ticks...second aktivation holds target <1sec, but TR deflects a lot and to use it effective (debuff enemys by using on cursed target) it gets ineffective, because curseactivation is to slow, misses often the target imo
DT i use rarely because it is interrupted most time and i more stick with essencedefiler+KF to build sparks faster
We'll how should I start? I'd like to hop into PvP immediately once I get the chance but I don't know what I should be aiming for while leveling. Judging from the play style I'd like to make a temptation lock but I don't know what my build options are or what stats to invest in early on.
There is a locked thread here that I believe is called miserys temptation build. Use that. Fury Soulbinder is the way you want to go for balanced survival/damage. Always have the absolute best gear you can get. That is huge. Make sure your gear is at least equal to the level of your character. The exception would be the main armor set you can by every 10 levels for glory in the trade of blades. You can get away with this armor being old because though it will be a little behind on other stats it will have more tenacity than pretty much anything else you can find. Just upgrade it every 10 levels when you hit that level (15,25,35,45,so on up).
Soulbinder still gets Murderous Flames feat in Fury tree right?
I think as long as you can use Murderous Flames your PvP experiences wont be terrible.
Just makes ure you end up with enough Crit Rate, I find less than 35% too low, you end up with people surviving after you hit them with Killing Flames, and that's just a No No.
only true Ballers are allowed to play HellFury btw, and after Mod 6 only the truly insane (such as me) will remain Hellbringer and not go Soulbinder for PvP.
Personally i wont be touching PVP for quite some time until ive gotten used to my warlock at 70 with the new and primarily useless looking gear.
SAtill cant believe cryptics decision on gear.....
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SW is currently accepted as the weakest class in PvP, with the GWF close second. (TR voters are just trolling, or OP wanted to do that as an experiment for his psych class homework paper...)
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"If you're going to ride my HAMSTER... At least pull my hair"
Taking the trash out, one badguy at a time.
"Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your trash back."
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"If you're going to ride my HAMSTER... At least pull my hair"
Taking the trash out, one badguy at a time.
"Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your trash back."
WTB Class Reroll please
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"If you're going to ride my HAMSTER... At least pull my hair"
Taking the trash out, one badguy at a time.
"Satisfaction guaranteed or twice your trash back."
Cool, did the same, built myself a TR, just to kick some b*tt in PVP, especially some big mouth's b*tt. I can do it even without turning to the dark side lol, i don't have a perma stealth nor a perma daze, simple combat is enough paired with some skills.
Dear OP, you picked a bad time, Warlock is fun, but only in PVE and their only too, if you enjoy it and don't watch the damage charts. I play Temptation, cause at least she has 1 decent value, she is better in healing, than most of the current DPS speced DCs. But the life steal nerf in Mod 6 makes me sad.
Robert E. Lee
I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself.
Winston Churchill
The human race is a herd. Here we are, unique, eternal aspects of consciousness with an infinity of potential, and we have allowed ourselves to become an unthinking, unquestioning blob of conformity and uniformity. A herd. Once we concede to the herd mentality, we can be controlled and directed by a tiny few. And we are.
David Icke
This will challenge not only your skills and knowledge of the class but your resolve to "get back on the horse" no matter how many times you get kicked off.
If you can keep getting back on that horse, one day when things are more equitable <cough>, you will surely be a force with all the knowledge gained getting there.
i can say fun is 50%, and the rest is ruined by matchmaking, the fact to compete against chars who are 2-7k higher in GS, and Perma-TR´s who troll the scene with their implemented onehit buttons, noobs for sure
Sorry, you shouldn't let other peoples jadedness affect your decisions or fun. If sw is fun for you, play it. Especially pvp, you will learn the game very very well and by level 60 will have a blackbelt in pvp lol. Which will allow you to roll anther class and really pwn with it.
I will be the cynical ****, but say that, well... don't know about this one but time to time, poor balance can actually teach you the wrong things. Example would be in WoT - old matchmaker used to group tiers really badly - like you had a chance to go with next to top tier (9) as tier 5. For heavy tanks, these used to be games where you peek out = = you die. As a result, it trained heavy players to sit back and snipe... which is really not what a heavy tank should be doing in a more equitable setting, and of course even when that changed it instilled terribad habits which really aren't is needed to win.
So, be careful what you learn, I guess.
This is a good point. I am thinking to even survive as sw- ranged dps with no dodge- you need to learn your own cd's inside and out, and opponent class cd's in and out as well, how to spot a nub tr vs a pro tr, how to kite people and so on. You learn how to win domination on an underpowered class, you rock domination on a balanced or op class. For example, instead of running to back cap only to die, in order to maintain even numbers on the other nodes or maybe an advantage on 2, you roll a good class and back cap and contest that node for several minutes vs 3 or 4 opponents, pretty much locking your teams win. Even things like running tight circles around an enemy who is trying to target you lol, staying just ahead of their targeting cursor. Lotsa fun to do while peeing an endless stream dreadtheft death on them lol.
I prefer SB fury, temp lock was in may case (mod4) not very good in killing things, and the support was , hmm forget it, thats really no support in comparison to a DC, other classes have selfhealing abilities who are ore effective
get your boons and use the 100 times linked build from vasdamas /miserys PVP build
against a GF HS prone (from behind) and in case of not beeing stunned BOVA pierces through shield, i guess its like attacking from behind even if facing GF, but all in all i don´t use it in PVP since switching encounters all time is not my case
HS-curse-->prone- WB KF is a very good combination on single target, daily is allways same brood of hadar
fatihfull DC is hard to get down for a warlock, since you can not kick out of empowered AS like CW, GWF, GF: HS -time your prone and time your BoH- WB Soul Scorch all 5 or WB+DT, i sometimes manage to get better equipped DC down by this, but its a bit luck , never succeded against good equipped DC with DT+WB
GWF is WB, HS, KF/orbs .... Hunter same, CW same, Warlock same
orbs are really good against melle classes, curse + damage+ fast colldown
i can´t say that wraith shadows is good for anything, deals no damage very short rooting, and stupid mechanic, u can try to use it against TR (very quick cast) dot ticks...second aktivation holds target <1sec, but TR deflects a lot and to use it effective (debuff enemys by using on cursed target) it gets ineffective, because curseactivation is to slow, misses often the target imo
DT i use rarely because it is interrupted most time and i more stick with essencedefiler+KF to build sparks faster
There is a locked thread here that I believe is called miserys temptation build. Use that. Fury Soulbinder is the way you want to go for balanced survival/damage. Always have the absolute best gear you can get. That is huge. Make sure your gear is at least equal to the level of your character. The exception would be the main armor set you can by every 10 levels for glory in the trade of blades. You can get away with this armor being old because though it will be a little behind on other stats it will have more tenacity than pretty much anything else you can find. Just upgrade it every 10 levels when you hit that level (15,25,35,45,so on up).
I think as long as you can use Murderous Flames your PvP experiences wont be terrible.
Just makes ure you end up with enough Crit Rate, I find less than 35% too low, you end up with people surviving after you hit them with Killing Flames, and that's just a No No.
only true Ballers are allowed to play HellFury btw, and after Mod 6 only the truly insane (such as me) will remain Hellbringer and not go Soulbinder for PvP.
Personally i wont be touching PVP for quite some time until ive gotten used to my warlock at 70 with the new and primarily useless looking gear.
SAtill cant believe cryptics decision on gear.....