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crnac79crnac79 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
edited April 2015 in PvE Discussion
I play this game for a year, and I was playing couple of other MMORPGs in last 10 years.
I don't like pvp (there is no money/gold/items).
But, while I'm leveling my alter charachters, I try to mix pve and pvp to reach lvl 60 faster.

I must tell You, that Neverwinter as a game have ONLY one (1) pvp battle arena (what is very very poor), and game plan for 5 vs 5 players.
Even then, in that ONE arena...You have very very BAD balance. I don't know how You manage it, and how developers make that program code, but hey...they need to fix it a long long time ago. This balance is very amateur work.
Only today, I was there, and in 5 match, my team (lvls 40-50) was under 4k gs, and other teams were 4-7k gs.

It is not question of winning or losing, it is just a question of next thing: You have ONE pvp arena, and that arena don't offer FAIR PLAY. I understand that totally fair is not possible, and that is ok. But at least SOME fair balance it should be done.

I'm sure that I am not the only player who, when get in pvp arena, don't look other classes (and think about strategy in team), while spending first minutes to look on gear scores of his team and other team (to see if there is a LUCK for fair balance).

Thank You.
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  • overdriver13overdriver13 Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The OP is the unintentionally best "pvp wtf" post ever. Seriously. Just the reaction of a regular player without going overboard or writing an essay on it. Well done.
  • ug2bkug2bk Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I must tell you one thing
    <...>
    I don't like pvp
    but let me put another **** to your ears about PvP!!!1111

    Where's your respawn point, guys?
    You're playing NWO for a year AND there's ONE pvp map?
    Rivenscar Ruins
    Hotenow Domination
    GG
    Icewind Dale
    when does 4 become 1, tell me please.
    //not to mention the fact that 70% PuGs can't play even on 2 maps and show tactic other from "zerg rush" or "push".
    again - at the domination i'm not holding/backcapping/fighting - i'm watching gs. But there's definetely other reason for losing - the only one, right? TRs.

    There's no such thing as fair play or pvp balance. It's just a matter of - "oh, these guys win again" or "yeeah, WE win again". Every single PvP there's always chance to meet someone better (skill/gs/build) and die. Choise is simple - accept it or play smth another.

    very amateur code, bla bla...
    C'mon, dude, what are you waiting for? write and release your own MMORPG, with a lot of pvp maps, fair play, and so on.
  • crewshlutcrewshlut Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I can understand the complaint about limited maps and game play modes. Obviously there isn't much diversity.

    I often hear people complain about the gear score in matches. However, the complaint about gear score I just don't understand. Simply because there are huge disparities in player skill/experience. Also certain class combinations are just more effective and obviously this is random if you are pugging. Even if you matched the teams perfectly with gear score you would still have lopsided matches. So how would that solve anything?

    While I do feel the matchmaking could be greatly improved as sometimes it really makes you wonder. I would rather see a lobby. The host controls who joins or doesn't and makes the teams on both sides as well as selects the map. Then you could actually attempt to even it up with class compositions/skill/experience/gear. Of course such a lobby would have no leader board and yield no glory or trinkets, as I imagine that would be abused. Anybody who chooses could host. I think there would be a lot more interesting and close games if they did this. I would rather lose a close game than win a blow out. Since I have only ever seen lobbies in FPS or RTS games I doubt it will ever happen.
  • essentiessenti Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ug2bk wrote: »
    Where's your respawn point, guys?
    You're playing NWO for a year AND there's ONE pvp map?
    Rivenscar Ruins
    Hotenow Domination
    GG
    Icewind Dale
    when does 4 become 1, tell me please.
    //not to mention the fact that 70% PuGs can't play even on 2 maps and show tactic other from "zerg rush" or "push".
    again - at the domination i'm not holding/backcapping/fighting - i'm watching gs. But there's definetely other reason for losing - the only one, right? TRs.

    There's no such thing as fair play or pvp balance. It's just a matter of - "oh, these guys win again" or "yeeah, WE win again". Every single PvP there's always chance to meet someone better (skill/gs/build) and die. Choise is simple - accept it or play smth another.

    very amateur code, bla bla...
    C'mon, dude, what are you waiting for? write and release your own MMORPG, with a lot of pvp maps, fair play, and so on.

    The OP mentioned they were leveling with PVE/PVP and they also mentioned the toon they were leveling was 40-50... How many PVP modes are available at that level?
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  • overdriver13overdriver13 Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ug2bk wrote: »
    Where's your respawn point, guys?
    You're playing NWO for a year AND there's ONE pvp map?
    Rivenscar Ruins
    Hotenow Domination
    GG
    Icewind Dale
    when does 4 become 1, tell me please.
    //not to mention the fact that 70% PuGs can't play even on 2 maps and show tactic other from "zerg rush" or "push".
    again - at the domination i'm not holding/backcapping/fighting - i'm watching gs. But there's definetely other reason for losing - the only one, right? TRs.

    There's no such thing as fair play or pvp balance. It's just a matter of - "oh, these guys win again" or "yeeah, WE win again". Every single PvP there's always chance to meet someone better (skill/gs/build) and die. Choise is simple - accept it or play smth another.

    very amateur code, bla bla...
    C'mon, dude, what are you waiting for? write and release your own MMORPG, with a lot of pvp maps, fair play, and so on.
    Join Date
    Feb 2015

    Trust me, the fanboi shine wears off after a few months. You'll see and then you'll feel really stupid for defending the indefensible and being wrong anyways.
  • ug2bkug2bk Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Join Date means only one - until Feb 2015 I didn't write anything on eu-forum. There's no other NWO forums or servers, o'course :rolleyes:

    Maybe crnac79 is right? And domination 10-59 suddenly has only 1 map?
    Maybe all pvp problems suddenly became just - 1 map + bad matchmaking?
    Maybe there's no such things as -
    guys unequipping everything - queue - equip again - and 20+gs slaughter another 7-10gs ppl
    relogers, where you can't kill guy, where system write +kill to them and no match played - o'course they'd be in TOP
    nor 3000+gs guys in 10-19lvl pvp, where common gs is about 500-800
    premade vs PuG
    5 DC team and 3+ hours match
    PvP kickers for any reason
    guilds with laws like - met another guy from guild in opposite team? Leave.
    (all of this - just my imagination?)

    Is it all on devs hands? No, again. It's players greed only and unstoppable desire to be #1.
    Let me be honest - until you played PvP on Drider - and not just 1-2 times, couple of mounths - until that time you do *not* know what "bad pvp" means (especially if you know language. communication in zone chat is... awesome:).

    Just one more time - crnac79 tells - i don't like pvp, matchmaking, game.
    C'mon, are you guys masochists? Play something else then!
  • thexarkunthexarkun Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Gotta say, best pvp plan is to get a toon to level 60, grind about 1mil AD (not that hard) get rank 6-8 radiant enchants, lesser vorpal, dragon bone <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, slayer set/,ancient mulhorand cloak, and go kill stuff as TR. Problem solved. Level through PvP, you'll have lots of glory at 70.
  • overdriver13overdriver13 Member Posts: 1,521 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ug2bk wrote: »
    Join Date means only one - until Feb 2015 I didn't write anything on eu-forum. There's no other NWO forums or servers, o'course :rolleyes:

    Maybe crnac79 is right? And domination 10-59 suddenly has only 1 map?
    Maybe all pvp problems suddenly became just - 1 map + bad matchmaking?
    Maybe there's no such things as -
    guys unequipping everything - queue - equip again - and 20+gs slaughter another 7-10gs ppl
    relogers, where you can't kill guy, where system write +kill to them and no match played - o'course they'd be in TOP
    nor 3000+gs guys in 10-19lvl pvp, where common gs is about 500-800
    premade vs PuG
    5 DC team and 3+ hours match
    PvP kickers for any reason
    guilds with laws like - met another guy from guild in opposite team? Leave.
    (all of this - just my imagination?)

    Is it all on devs hands? No, again. It's players greed only and unstoppable desire to be #1.
    Let me be honest - until you played PvP on Drider - and not just 1-2 times, couple of mounths - until that time you do *not* know what "bad pvp" means (especially if you know language. communication in zone chat is... awesome:).

    Just one more time - crnac79 tells - i don't like pvp, matchmaking, game.
    C'mon, are you guys masochists? Play something else then!

    Pvp 10-59 is only domination and levels 10-60 domination pvp only has two maps. GS matchmaking would mean you cannot change your gear once you've qued.

    I am playing something else now, I don't really play this any more. None the less I have a lot invested in time and money under the reasonable expectation at time of purchase that the game would get better and not worse. It only got worse. And worse. And worse. Classes you put time and money in, they nerf. Game modes you mainly play- they let fall to ruin. I am a disgruntled customer and the only thing I can do is warn others.
  • pointsmanpointsman Member Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Do not listen to the disgruntled customers who came to this game expecting a PVP game and got something else.

    This game isn't a PVP focused game. If you only want to come to this game in order to beat up other players, then yeah this game isn't for you.
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  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I had a team of 3x ~10k GS, 1x 15k GS and myself being 7k GS against 5x ~24k GS. 3 people from my team didnt even bother to leave the spawn after they checked enemy team GS, heh. (that's at lvl60 pvp) The balance is horrible. They should break the premades until they get more people in to pvp, so they can at least create some semi-balanced matches.
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