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Dragonborn need a buff
thedemien
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Hi,
With new mod almost here small notice to all dragonborns here.
just remind you that race stats are
Right now on 10k power you will have 300 power as bonus. Power has diminish return and will generally give you gonna get 1.2-1.8% of damage
On new stat curves 400 point = 1%. so it is now less that 1% from race bonus.
similar is for crit chance.
5% of healing bonus is pretty useless atm too. You gonna have more eventually from regeneration without any concern.
I do would like devs to buff race that was once called as exclusive and only available for limited time on sale to normal values. I don't want it to be overpowered. Yet I don't think that it is any good now.
Just make it 3% more damage or 3% more crit or something like that.
Right now all changes to stat curves make race most undesirable amount others.
With new mod almost here small notice to all dragonborns here.
just remind you that race stats are
They also come with additional racial bonuses including 5% more healing from all sources and a 5% chance on attack to apply Dragonborn Fury, increasing Power and Crit by 3%
Right now on 10k power you will have 300 power as bonus. Power has diminish return and will generally give you gonna get 1.2-1.8% of damage
On new stat curves 400 point = 1%. so it is now less that 1% from race bonus.
similar is for crit chance.
5% of healing bonus is pretty useless atm too. You gonna have more eventually from regeneration without any concern.
I do would like devs to buff race that was once called as exclusive and only available for limited time on sale to normal values. I don't want it to be overpowered. Yet I don't think that it is any good now.
Just make it 3% more damage or 3% more crit or something like that.
Right now all changes to stat curves make race most undesirable amount others.
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While you are at it devs, make my Skele dogs 190 lifesteal more too, since more ls is required to get the same amount, make it a straight 3% or something. I payed for it and i want it to stay relevant too, im sure there's a laundering list of others who all have very similar complaints about money they have spent on in game things and would like them to stay as relevant as they were when purchased...
Not trying to sound mean, or anything along those lines, i understand what you are feeling, fully. The fact of the matter is, the money has been spent, you have to accept what happens afterward and keep moving forward, or quit.
And keep in mind with the new stat curves, you're going to have more power to begin with, so a 3% bonus is still going to be a 3% bonus.
A flat 3% buff to damage and critical strike chance would be ridiculously powerful.
God I hate RL comparisons. They make no sense at all. There's a good chance companions will be reworked like boons and such, btw.
Obviously you missed what i was saying about companions... It was more of a "insert anything into this complaint and it fits" And as far as a RL comparison... well, when RL money is spent, its Real, meaning you are purchasing a product and nothing more than that, it doesn't matter of you purchase a physical object or a virtual one. It's money spent, but for the sake of argument.... you purchase a 110% mount, the next mod comes out and there's a 130% mount, do you expect a free upgrade for this? Did they tell you when you purchased your mount that it was a guarantee that it would always be the fastest?
I think it's just funny because you didn't get the whole idea that a paid for race will not sell if it's not more attractive as the other free races.
If there's 8 steaks there and they all look as good as each other, but the owner sells one of the 8 for a price and the 7 others a free. Which will you take?
I don't think that'd generate many sales.
Personal note, I already need to race reroll because Con is useless, I'm waiting until mod 6 to see if they make changes to con first, if not I'll have to remove that con from my pvp chars... might as well change dragonborn to thiefling now x.x
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And, I was trying to not make this statement as it will be deleted I'm sure... its money spent, they have it, they don't care if you are happy with your purchase or not. The sales were already generated, as they were by the release of the SW, now that all those SW sales have died down... its time for a new class to generate more income. And I'm not trying to discount the fact that they are bringing in new classes, they are continuing to try to give us new stuff... i can appreciate that. But on their end, its a business and is treated as such. As for the steak scenario.... I don't have a dragonborn because i refuse to spend that kind of money on something just to watch it lose out, seems like a bad investment to me :P
I have no objection for bonuses to be minor. Just to related to stat curves. keep it 1-2% whatever. I specifically put example on high power base value just to show the lower boundary really.
Let say 3% was just to draw attention ).
What I do want is to make race in-dependable from stat curve. OR still compatible to other one.
Simple example 1% more deflect is 400 points. Plus with new gear we generally have way less deflect and crit ratings.
with new curves - assume we have 1.8% of damage bonus from 3% from racial now.
This is 720 rating on new curves.
So for base you need >=24k. and this does not include diminish return. probably more.
Just needs to be buffed or adjusted
On the note of business and general "sale" - well everything is already useless.
- Artifact can not be used to refine. Regeneration is useless in general.
- race is not " unique". And is even cheaper for zen.
- Race bonus is now useless.
- all those overloads - well just run esot.
- and so on.
So from business perspective - making any business with company of this reputation is not in my rules.
all i asked here is just generally make race comparable to other ones that are not dependable so much on stat curves. Or there will be no dragonborns at all really soon. good for money. bad for reputation. again.
Well in this case they did promised that this is gonna be exclusive race at least). even thought they backed it out next day mod started.
Which when you get to the Module 6 equivalent of 10k power, you will have 24k+ power, so it evens out again. That's the point.
No change is needed.
EDIT: And to the other points, they never said that the Dragonborn was going to be BETTER because it was paid for. Just more exclusive...meaning since people have to pay for it, you'll see fewer and fewer in game. But even on top of that, being able to pick where your +2/+2 goes is extremely powerful in its own right. They can match any optimal stat combination for any class...ever.
Jerg I have no idea where you get this from. Look like out of nothing really. If you have same gear scaled from 10k to 24k on day one -then we play different games. my 9k power got to 12k only.
And we don't speak about new gear. That is not the point.
Change is needed.
also +2/+2 is not the unique combo first. You have different races with same buff to stats.
first race to look at http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Wood_Elf
Exclusiveness in not the point here. Especially when 3-4/5 people in party are dragonborn now.
Equality is. As above Critically Strike by 1%. = 400 points. I did the math for you above. nobody is talking about being better. Im talking about being equal.
So unless you prove your words that same live gear you have scaled from 10k to 24k it is just a speculation of your thoughts.
10k power now is near the top of the power curve. It Module 6, it will be back towards the bottom.
At level 70, you will get new gear. Your stats will increase. And as you work towards the top of the power curve you will indeed get closer to if not eventually surpass 24k power.
Does that make sense? As gear and power levels improve that 3% bonus is going to get better and better until it achieves or surpasses the benefit that it currently provides.
I've seen people on the preview server with 27,000 Power. Ironzerg's claim is far from baseless.
It's kinda sad when you think about it lol. 'They don't care if you are happy with your purchase or not'. I admit I invested some money when I started playing, but I haven't had to for a long time now.
And probably a smart move, on the other hand I'm just milking my leadership farm so it doesn't really matter what I buy I generate enough to sustain myself at this point, and dragon race looks cool, but it gets tiring when all your chars are dragons, after a while lol.
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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My Support Warlock/Temptation Thread
I would like a screenshot of a 27k power character. Are we talking about base power or after buffs such as dark revelry for example which is 20% more power? The highest power rating I achieved on preview was 15k power on my wizard at 70 before black holes ate the character up, but I didn't have optimal gear either.
Also, anyone knows what the significance of power is now? I heard 400 points for 1%, is that still correct?
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
More threads by me / Click on it
My Support Warlock/Temptation Thread
I am looking forward to eventually unlock the class myself, despite the "weak racials" as you put it. Why? Look at what CON is in Mod 6, many other people get screwed there, namely Half-Elves and Dwarfs because they are "stuck" with what will always feel an underwhelming Ability Score.
Dragons on the otherhand, always have that upper-hand, regardless of what mod 7, mod 8, mod 9, etc changes bring to the Ability Scores, your (and mine eventually lol) Dragonborn will always manage to be "optimal".
And, more specifically, currently Dragonborn is the only race capable of +2 Str/+2 Wis, so unless they release another race with those benefits, you are looking at access to a unique build as a DC. (Highest DPS build possible AFAIK, from what I read on Kaelac's Guide). For whatever that is worth to you of course.
Yup, he's right.. I've seen lots of high power on test as well.
It is sad really, but thats the way it is as I see it. I don't fault them, its a business... gotta make money to survive. If they didn't make money, none of this would even exist for us to whine and complain about lol. I too just farm AD through leadership and survive within my means, and when there's something I want, I save and buy it.
Trick is not that you can have more power with new gear on preview. I asked him for a prof of same gear raising from 10k to 27k.
And don't forget that this is both for crit and power. Power was listed just to show how much was a loss.
Yet still if you stick with same race balance - all I d like is to keep balance as it is now. Where majority of classes have % of effect rather then % of rating.
Bonus of dragonborn comes from that you have to buy the race - this gives you freedom to chose where to put 2/2 points.
Yet with current stat this race became way less effective that is is now on live comparing to other races in all race effects. In all effects they have - power/crit/ healing bonus.
All i want to see is race to keep it balance as it is now.
Im not here to complain about new curves or "sale" or even no faces for "real money" race.
Right now this race from pretty good(not best) place moved to almost worse.
All this due to binding to stat curves. So it is kinda expected that with stat curves all effect bound to them would change. Full work.
Most of us still gonna race reroll. Right now I would just not recommend anyone to do reroll or buy dragonborn.