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Should a TR be able to One Shot a Boss?

thesageakpthesageakp Member Posts: 14 Arc User
edited March 2015 in General Discussion (PC)
The debate over the power of TR is usually filled with hate regarding PVP, but in PVE the Trickster Rogue is a lack luster class despite recent changes. Can't remember which, but their is still a single target dps tree. No mirrors, just purely critical damage. Should a TR built this way be capable of taking out a boss in one shot? Highest crit I have seen so far is 48k naked, with buffs, ITF Conqueror Spec, debuffs on targets it was 102k on training dummy, meanwhile other classes can stack a few 15k's on a single target with a rotation. I would love to hear your thoughts. The player who mentioned this to me online had just over 19k GS, figured it would be an interesting topic considering MOD 6.
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  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 7,415 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Are you talking about TR or GF/GWF? Conqueror spec isn't a TR spec.
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  • suddenlyslowsuddenlyslow Member Posts: 818 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    As a scoundrel TR, at 20k GS, pvorp, my best I can get is in the 40k range on a 16 second encounter. I suspect that every class can easily manage larger crits than a scoundrel. The executioner path TR is specialized in big crits.
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    If you need buffs from other classes to get your "one shot" kill, then it really isn't one.
  • wimpazoidwimpazoid Member Posts: 504 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    PVE DC has scarier burst damage than TR's encounters combined. You can burst down those lair bosses faster with a DC than TR.
  • thesageakpthesageakp Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    wimpazoid wrote: »
    PVE DC has scarier burst damage than TR's encounters combined. You can burst down those lair bosses faster with a DC than TR.

    So then should the Executioner Get a Buff if a DC can out DPS him in PVE?
  • thesageakpthesageakp Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I am talking about a TR. The Conqueror spec was meant to specify the Into The Fray buff that gets extra bonus's on a Conqueror GF. Or is that a Tactician GF... can't quite remember.
  • thesageakpthesageakp Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    lewstelamon01 wrote: »
    Are you talking about TR or GF/GWF? Conqueror spec isn't a TR spec.

    I am talking about a TR. The Conqueror spec was meant to specify the Into The Fray buff that gets extra bonus's on a Conqueror GF. Or is that a Tactician GF... can't quite remember.
  • drezzatdrezzat Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I have a 60 lvl 17k plus gs TR/ what could give you a possible one shot of that much? Does one shot mean one hit?
  • thesageakpthesageakp Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    sockmunkey wrote: »
    If you need buffs from other classes to get your "one shot" kill, then it really isn't one.

    This is true, So the question becomes, does the single target damage on a TR need to go up? At least in the realm of PVE? I have seen some powerful TR's struggle to take down a Boss monster's health despite having few distractions thanks to a CW or GF. Depending on the boss it can take 2 rotations or even 10 - 15 Rotations.
  • thesageakpthesageakp Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    drezzat wrote: »
    I have a 60 lvl 17k plus gs TR/ what could give you a possible one shot of that much? Does one shot mean one hit?

    A One shot means a One Hit either off of one encounter power like the famous Lashing Strike or a rotation if it is a really tank Boss.
  • mjytreszmjytresz Member Posts: 500 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    thesageakp wrote: »
    This is true, So the question becomes, does the single target damage on a TR need to go up? At least in the realm of PVE? I have seen some powerful TR's struggle to take down a Boss monster's health despite having few distractions thanks to a CW or GF. Depending on the boss it can take 2 rotations or even 10 - 15 Rotations.

    I'd argue that at this point, the question becomes whether other classes are putting out more single-target DPS than the designated single-target DPS class.
    It's pretty easy to see that a class like CW is more of an AoE DPS, yet their single-target DPS is still rivaling TR. The same can be said for DC. I personally think it's more a matter of general class-balancing rather than breaking PvE mechanics and not having any semblance of party structure.
    If we were to push TR damage to that extreme, what's to stop 4-5 TR and 0-1 DC parties from forming? We'd be back in the times when we were stacking 4+ CWs in a party.
    Even if we were to only push LB damage, TRs are still pretty easily able to clear generic trash.
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  • vordaynvordayn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,283 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    A boss, no matter what level of difficulty, shouldn't be one-shottable.
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  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Highest single target damage readings I ever get are from HR (GS 15k), Aimed Shot > 50k solo, in e.g. Dragon fights well over 100k.
    vordayn wrote: »
    A boss, no matter what level of difficulty, shouldn't be one-shottable.

    ...this really depends, IMHO, on what you call boss. The Formorian Warlord in Sharandar Arcane Reservoir can technically be labeled "boss", too, and that guy really goes down in one rota...
  • dragonsword6969dragonsword6969 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    My TR at 16k+ gs I one shot the Formorian Warlord with ease with the famos lashing blade move but I have set mine up to be a single target boss killer for the guild I am in but usually other bosses it might take a full rotation to kill them or extra couple of moves depending on which lair solo dungeons I run.
  • suddenlyslowsuddenlyslow Member Posts: 818 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    dragonsword6969 wrote: »
    My TR at 16k+ gs I one shot the Formorian Warlord with ease with the famos lashing blade move but I have set mine up to be a single target boss killer for the guild I am in but usually other bosses it might take a full rotation to kill them or extra couple of moves depending on which lair solo dungeons I run.

    My executioner could one shot a Famorian Warlord but I retired him to play my scoundrel and he of course cannot one shot one.
  • dragonsword6969dragonsword6969 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    suddenlyslow wrote: »
    My executioner could one shot a Famorian Warlord but I retired him to play my scoundrel and he of course cannot one shot one.

    that is interesting a scoundrel can't but will look into it, we have a guy that is a main SW but he does have a scoundrel TR and on him he is doing a fair amount of damage that even though he is lower geared than his SW puts out just as much damage as it still way behind my TR.
  • suddenlyslowsuddenlyslow Member Posts: 818 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Scoundrels are good on adds and non control immune targets. Their single target capabilities are less than the other classes in general and on control immune targets this because considerably less. They can make up for this but rushing targets and unloading AE on minions while the others catch up (thanks to their movement bonuses).
  • walk2kwalk2k Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    thesageakp wrote: »
    The debate over the power of TR is usually filled with hate regarding PVP, but in PVE the Trickster Rogue is a lack luster class despite recent changes. Can't remember which, but their is still a single target dps tree. No mirrors, just purely critical damage. Should a TR built this way be capable of taking out a boss in one shot? Highest crit I have seen so far is 48k naked, with buffs, ITF Conqueror Spec, debuffs on targets it was 102k on training dummy, meanwhile other classes can stack a few 15k's on a single target with a rotation. I would love to hear your thoughts. The player who mentioned this to me online had just over 19k GS, figured it would be an interesting topic considering MOD 6.

    what are you even talking about, at-wills? encounter? daily? solo? or with other class debufs??

    because my CW can easily hit for 75k solo (daily) and 35k enounters. with debuffs certain dailys can do 175k.
    that will not 1-shot most bosses, unless you're talking about level 55ish quest bosses...
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